My Middle Name Is Earl - The Official ILM Track-By-Track TOM PETTY Listening Thread

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Totally agree there are bad production choices all over the place on this album. On the plus side I think Petty was trying out new things (horns, female backing vox, sitar ...), but on the minus side a lot of them are misfires. We can talk more about DCAHNM when we get there, but that's a fascinating song in the catalog — I've never loved it, but I think it also did a lot to propel Petty's career to its late '80s/early '90s prominence.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 6 May 2024 20:29 (one year ago)

i still think if this is his big money bloated celebrity producer cocaine album its not embarrassing or anything. still listenable. from what i remember! like i said, haven't heard it in forever.

scott seward, Monday, 6 May 2024 20:33 (one year ago)

Savage is by far my fave Eurythmics album

Mine too and it's become a common opinion; it's especially beloved by UK critics.

Christgau wrote the following about his dismissal of Annie Lennox's Diva: "he kept her dishonest." Wrong. She deserved the credit (and I love Diva).

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 May 2024 20:35 (one year ago)

Southern Accents is their weakest album to date, but, yeah, not an embarrassment.

In the Zollo book Petty was like, "yeah, everyone recommended this hot English keyboard guy, Dave Stewart, who did 'Sweet Things Are Made of This' then I meet him and he's not a keyboard guy at all! He's a guitarist!" (Annie Lennox played most of the complicated synth/keyboard parts).

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 May 2024 20:37 (one year ago)

When I interviewed Keith LeBlanc last year, he had some nice things to say about Lennox (he played on Diva):

And Annie Lennox, she was really cool, too. She’s a real singer. A lot of singers have to punch in things and get Auto-Tuned in, but she would go in the studio, just nail it right there, with the musicians. So there was a lot of collaboration there. She left room for that, she was really open and nice, really honest, you know? When it comes right down to it, for something to be really good, it’s got to be really honest. It can’t be fake good. It’s got to be actual good. And Annie left room for that.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Monday, 6 May 2024 20:53 (one year ago)

It Ain't Nothin' To Me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKiaaPd5RLY

scott seward, Tuesday, 7 May 2024 11:05 (one year ago)

two minutes too long. haha, okay, this sounds like cocaine for sure.

scott seward, Tuesday, 7 May 2024 11:05 (one year ago)

i like that little tom verlaine-y part they pop in there a few times. could live without most of the rest of it. rock guys playing funk. somehow the stones made it work.

Thus Sang Freud, Tuesday, 7 May 2024 11:33 (one year ago)

Wait till you hear "Make It Better"!

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 11:47 (one year ago)

I think "Make It Better" works better than this one, which is just a mess sonically and structurally.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 13:02 (one year ago)

Wow, this is a trainwreck - maybe the clunkiest thing we've heard from them so far. Tom's put an atypical amount of work into the lyrics (as on Rebels - maybe the biggest benefit from finally having time off between records), but it comes off as a serious case of "well, we can sift out the best bits for the extended club mix."

not the one who's tryin' to dub your anime (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 15:44 (one year ago)

tom, you got to give it up

the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 15:52 (one year ago)

i do kinda appreciate tench going disco mike garson on this tho

the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 15:53 (one year ago)

It wasn't until their next album -- their most ignored -- that he mastered the throwaway.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 15:58 (one year ago)

rebels - damn that opening gtr groove sounds a lot like a sped up "all that heaven will allow." (or maybe vice versa, since "tunnel of love" was still two and a half years away.)

it ain't nothin' to me - side 1 track 2 filler perhaps explains why there are only 9 tracks on the album. i kinda like the one gtr lick on the choruses that kinda sounds like mj's "black and white."

(now i've gotta go back and catch up on the last couple weeks of this thread.)

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 7 May 2024 18:16 (one year ago)

"wasted life," which i don't think i've ever heard before, is gorgeous.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 7 May 2024 18:24 (one year ago)

Yeah, it's a good 'un.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 18:48 (one year ago)

Wow, everything everyone has said about this is dead on. It's at least two minutes too long, probably three (a minute of noises and jabber before the song even starts, and the two minutes at the end, especially the "avant-garde" piano solo), and it's like a bad combination of disco-funk Stones and Oingo Boingo. And the lyrics are terrible, like Petty's answer to Don Henley's "All She Wants To Do Is Dance" or something.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 19:23 (one year ago)

I do like the Verlaine-y part, but yeah what a weird mishmash

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 19:27 (one year ago)

It's like someone was trying to steer them into gigs as the band playing at a party in an 80s high school comedy.

not the one who's tryin' to dub your anime (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 7 May 2024 20:06 (one year ago)

Don't Come Around Here No More

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0JvF9vpqx8

scott seward, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 11:36 (one year ago)

The stories about recording of this song is bonkers.

This is a record in search of a singer. To my ears Petty fails. Every time I hear the way he sings "I'm not waiting any loner" and "You tangle my emotions" I act like villagers in Guernica.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 11:40 (one year ago)

annie lennox could have done a good job with it.

scott seward, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 11:48 (one year ago)

i am pretty sure i voted for this in the top 5 of that music video ballot poll

the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 13:41 (one year ago)

hey!

the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 13:41 (one year ago)

STOP

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 13:45 (one year ago)

HEY!!!

This is one where Petty's strangled vocals AND the massive, booming cocaine soundscape both work incredibly well for me. The echoing drum hits and each additional element just coil around each other in this perpetual forward motion spiral, an endless-staircase illusion. Fabulous 80s digital psychedelia.

Nothing about this really has much to do with not coming around here no more, and when the beautifully lush haze of backing vocals envelops the chorus, they could just as easily be singing basically anything. "We've got to save the whales," maybe. But Petty's miserable verses and especially the anguished "admit it's OVERRRRRRRRR" are the actual cotter pins holding the whole thing together. (His cry of "eeghleyh!" at 3:18 probably could have been dropped out.)

The only thing is - and perhaps the rest of the album will prove me wrong - I don't think it really establishes a viable model for further songs in this vein. Until the reins are loosened for the coda, the Heartbreakers are just too marginal to the proceedings. It's sort of like "Yesterday," if the other Beatles had come in just to tap on the violin cases or run their fingers noisily up their guitar strings. And yet, one of Petty's most massive and undeniable singles and earworms. I've probably listened to it twelve times in the past couple days --- I usually wait til the day of, but this one has been tempting me for the last week or more.

not the one who's tryin' to dub your anime (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 13:45 (one year ago)

Wonder how Petty fans responded when they heard that drum machine in the summer of '85? That Coral guitar (not a sitar!) found an echo in another summer-of-1985 hit "Everytime You Go Away."

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 13:52 (one year ago)

I really hate the synth string solo on this song

brimstead, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 13:58 (one year ago)

Just an awful sound

brimstead, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 13:58 (one year ago)

Oh, that's my favorite part, especially when the backup singers float above it.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 14:04 (one year ago)

Ah Really? It sits in the mix well, but to me the melody is so dumb and the sound just deflates the… “monumental”-ness of the rest of the arrangement

brimstead, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 14:07 (one year ago)

i'm givin' up!

the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 14:08 (one year ago)

Until the reins are loosened for the coda, the Heartbreakers are just too marginal to the proceedings.

Funny story about the first time I heard this — I was a big enough fan to know that a new single was on the way, and I happened to turn on the radio the day it was released just in time to catch only the coda. Which I thought was great! I was like, seems like a rocker, can't wait to hear the whole thing. I was pretty confused when I did.

I don't hate the song, I get why it was a hit — that sinuous sitar sounded good on the radio, the video was cool, it all sounded extremely 1985. But it's always felt like a bit of a slog to me. And yeah, for those averse to his more creative vocal stylings, this one has plenty of them.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 14:09 (one year ago)

holy moly this video is fucking bonkers, never seen it!

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 14:11 (one year ago)

ha really?

when I saw him live around 2000 he pulled a mad hatters hat out of a smoking guitar case for this one, guess thats SOP

brimstead, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 14:13 (one year ago)

holy moly this video is fucking bonkers, never seen it!

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incredible, it is like the music video (i would love to see it for the first time again)

ivy., Wednesday, 8 May 2024 14:16 (one year ago)

The popularity of the video made the song seem bigger than it was -- it peaked at #13.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 14:22 (one year ago)

#2 on the Album Rock charts though! (Today's Mainstream Rock.)

not the one who's tryin' to dub your anime (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 16:13 (one year ago)

Meandering goofy live version from 1991 that's compellingly great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9jDoXitEO0

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 19:54 (one year ago)

this one works for me the same way "you got lucky" does -- an effective combination of his own influences and modern radio production. another good driving song. i could do without the double-time part at the end which breaks the mood.

Thus Sang Freud, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 22:27 (one year ago)

Mentioned this earlier but now that we're at the actual song, I think both this song and video are key to establishing the Tom Petty persona that dominated the late '80s to mid '90s, and maybe really the rest of his career. It's where he crosses over to "Gen X's Favorite Boomer Uncle" status, this kind of hip older dude (he turned 35 in '85) who knows how to MTV and seems like he's probably fun to party with. Full Moon Fever was the full realization of that character, but I think this is where it starts.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 9 May 2024 01:19 (one year ago)

otm

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 May 2024 01:24 (one year ago)

the melody, performance and production around the basic seven-syllable hook is mesmerizing and i could listen to a loop of that for 20 minutes straight, even the part where he tries to make five syllables ("you daaar-ken my door") fill the space. i'm not sure anything else in the song is necessary, especially, yeah...

i could do without the double-time part at the end which breaks the mood.

...that

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 9 May 2024 05:55 (one year ago)

It's where he crosses over to "Gen X's Favorite Boomer Uncle" status, this kind of hip older dude (he turned 35 in '85) who knows how to MTV and seems like he's probably fun to party with. Full Moon Fever was the full realization of that character, but I think this is where it starts.


All of this accelerated by that cover of "So You Want to Be a Rock 'n' Roll Star" from Pack Up the Plantation: Live! this same year and then the Travelling Willburys before we get to FMF.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 9 May 2024 08:45 (one year ago)

Southern Accents

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po8RCVlQZGc

scott seward, Thursday, 9 May 2024 11:06 (one year ago)

Like many people, my intro was the Johnny Cash cover.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 May 2024 11:44 (one year ago)

Yeah, Cash treated it like a standard and essentially turned it into one. I think it's a good song, lovely melody, and as far as expressions of Southern pride go it's on the less noxious end of the spectrum.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 9 May 2024 12:19 (one year ago)

dolly covered it too, for a tom petty tribute album.

Thus Sang Freud, Thursday, 9 May 2024 12:32 (one year ago)

I like Dolly's version, except for the "not ashamed" coda — I get it, I know where she's coming from (literally — I know Sevier County pretty well), but it smacks just a little of uninterrogated Skynyrd-style Southern defiance.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 9 May 2024 12:48 (one year ago)


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