Spinning on the 1s and 0s: Traktor, Ableton, Serrato, Rekordbox - the digital DJing thread

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Getting ready to DJ some again and updating all my digital stuff. Updated Rekordbox and turned on the "phrase detection". Is this thing useful at all? So far everything I've analyzed has been pretty wrong. I mean maybe it's helpful if you take it as a symbol of some sort of "change", but it's def not getting "verse" and "chorus" anywhere near correct.

Cute. I was just reading your Facebook posts about your new setup!

I believe I co-authored the method and wrote the implementation for their “phrase detection” feature (I’m not 100% sure, I see they included the compiled code in the package, but I don’t know whether they are calling it), so I took the plunge and bought an annual subscription and installed the app.

I cannot believe I just spent $360 on this. The app itself is Unity garbage and the web service functionality is half-baked. What about the analysis features? From a signal processing and machine learning perspective, horrible. Tempo? It’s the mean tempo. I play mostly dance music and useless when you care about phasing and want to to accommodate minor tempo changes. Key? It’s the mean key. Especially useless for dance music from a mixing perspective. I appreciate searching for an average tempo or key from the perspective of managing a large collection, but it is entirely useless for mixing. Finally, I knew beat detection would be an issue the moment it prompted me with the following dialog:

“Track Analysis Mode: Normal or Dynamic”

I can’t believe they show this to a user. The “Normal” option is followed by a list of seemingly arbitrary BPM intervals. If I were to guess, “Normal” means “register your track to some predefined grid” and “Dynamic” is “register your track to a predicted grid.” As far as I know, neither option is ideal for anyone. In my opinion, the far better option is what Ableton provides by letting users define their grid and the way the track is registered to the grid.

How do I turn on phrase detection? I really want to see it.

Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 6 May 2024 22:55 (one month ago) link

I found it. I don’t understand this. It looks like it’s doing some type of next token prediction but, like you said, it’s garbage.

Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 6 May 2024 22:59 (one month ago) link

Yeah I've never been very impressed with Rekordbox as a platform, I guess that's also why AlphaTheta went out and bought Serato.

Siegbran, Tuesday, 7 May 2024 08:13 (one month ago) link


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