My Middle Name Is Earl - The Official ILM Track-By-Track TOM PETTY Listening Thread

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i really like the b-side i'm gonna post after the last track. you get to hear tom say the words "lynyrd skynyrd". there's also a good nick lowe cover b-side.

scott seward, Wednesday, 15 May 2024 15:12 (six months ago) link

If it's "Trailer" you mean, it absolutely should've been on the album.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 May 2024 15:12 (six months ago) link

yeah that's the one.

scott seward, Wednesday, 15 May 2024 15:15 (six months ago) link

this reminds me of a dozen new wave one hit wonders that i can't quite place. i like.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 15 May 2024 15:58 (six months ago) link

also, that last Mudcrutch album starts off with "Trailer".

scott seward, Wednesday, 15 May 2024 15:58 (six months ago) link

(also, it's impressive to put both "mary" and "car" in the title of your song, and have a saxophone, and not even remotely evoke bruce springsteen.)

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 15 May 2024 15:59 (six months ago) link

mary's dog on the run.

scott seward, Wednesday, 15 May 2024 16:01 (six months ago) link

something tells me they were taking it easy with this album? or maybe there are stories about how hard and torturous it was to make. though they aren't really the hard and torturous kind of band. they just played something in the studio that was already pretty fleshed out until they had it down and there was the song. usually. but maybe dave made things harder.

scott seward, Wednesday, 15 May 2024 16:03 (six months ago) link

(i made it sound like it was easy what they did. it takes skill to do what they did. but having mike and tom working beforehand makes things way easier when its time to cut a record. they both had studios at their houses.)

scott seward, Wednesday, 15 May 2024 16:05 (six months ago) link

The album sounds like Petty said, Fuck this and released it as is.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 May 2024 16:26 (six months ago) link

The album sounds like Petty said, Fuck this and released it as is. too much coke

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Wednesday, 15 May 2024 16:27 (six months ago) link

It's really his only sloppy album in a remarkably consistent career.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 May 2024 16:31 (six months ago) link

It’s funny that it ended up so unfocused and incoherent, because the early narrative on it was that he was trying to make a thematic/concept album about growing up in the south. But it’s like he wrote a couple of songs in that direction and then just said “whatever.”

I was thinking about that earlier! Like, nothing at all about this screams "attempted concept album." If you compare it to The Nylon Curtain, say, this just feels like a band that was kinda low on material when the label came knocking and demanded a new album, with an up-to-date sound to catch the ears of today's teens. It doesn't even really feel like a Press to Play, where the artist's inescapable idiosyncracies end up turning that swing at relevance into something that at least feels memorably weird. I think the coke just deluded them into thinking they had more of a 'concept' than they ever even genuinely tried to have.

not the one who's tryin' to dub your anime (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 15 May 2024 18:06 (six months ago) link

kind of amazing that he could shatter his hand out of misplaced perfectionist frustrations, over this.

not the one who's tryin' to dub your anime (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 15 May 2024 18:07 (six months ago) link

He shattered his hand iirc because the concept wasn't coming together, they couldn't concentrate, etc. He had to call Iovine at the last minute to sort the album out.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 May 2024 18:25 (six months ago) link

and, right, it was supposed to be a double album!

"When I broke my hand, I mean … it was just … it's hard to explain … I don't really know exactly why I broke my hand. I know I was very frustrated at the time with the record. I'd finished recording," he remembers, "and I'd been over to the record company and played 'em some stuff. They weren't pushing me, but they were saying, 'Can we have it by the end of the year?' I said, 'Yeah, all I gotta do is mix it. I'm not gonna do a double — I'm gonna pare it down.' So then, tying up the ends was another six-month job, which I wasn't prepared to accept; I thought it was a six-week job to go in and mix it. And the day I broke my hand, I think we'd been in there around the clock for a week with two teams of engineers and I was in the other room playin' the mixes on a ghetto blaster, And I'm sayin', No, this isn't what I pictured, and I was bummed. Walkin' up the stairwell back to the house, I just (throws his arm out to the side) hit the wall and broke my hand.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 May 2024 18:27 (six months ago) link

"I think the record made me so nuts that I did it," Petty says with a wry smile, then adds, "but it made a much better record. Because, after I got out of the hospital, I could hear very clearly things that I'd overlooked. [Producer Jimmy] Iovine showed up at that point, right after I broke my hand, just out of friendship and because he loved the songs so much. [After the last three] I was consciously tryin' to stay away from Jimmy on this album. I wanted to do something else. So, when Jimmy showed up, he was real fresh and I was real burnt. He helped me a lot with the mixing and added a few overdubs and some arrangement changes Stuff I wouldn'ta heard, 'cause I was just too immersed in it. So anyway, [the accident] forced me to just calm down a little bit, basically, I think I'd been staying up and working for days on end for about a year when I broke my hand!

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 May 2024 18:32 (six months ago) link

I think I'd been staying up and working for days on end for about a year

(on coke)

(love u Tom)

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Wednesday, 15 May 2024 19:15 (six months ago) link

Whoooof, yeah, that sounds rough. If this is what we got, I have to wonder if his career could have survived the double-album version containing numerous "overlooked" errors. Although I also read this entertaining this longform piece from Michael Washburn, who wrote the 33 1/3 book for this album. And he makes lost track "The Image of Me" sound great:

Another thing about “The Image of Me” that both Tench and Campbell stressed when I chatted with them about Southern Accents was that this was the last time that the band recorded with producer Denny Cordell. Cordell was already a legend by the time he adopted the Heartbreakers as a project, and he produced the first two Petty and the Heartbreakers records. Petty and Cordell had a falling out—about money, of course—but the next decade, Cordell showed up at the Southern Accents sessions and had Petty and the band perform the Kemp/Twitty song.

The Southern Accents sessions were a bit of a quagmire. (...) For the bulk of the project Petty and Campbell served as producers. Despite the labor, Petty often wasn’t that pleased with the outcome of his work. This was, it seems to me, in large part due to the nature of the recording process for Southern Accents. The band was tracking things individually, punching in to add vocal lines or guitar parts. Standard procedure for many bands, including the Heartbreakers, but anything but rock ‘n’ roll. When Cordell parachuted in for his brief work with Petty and the Heartbreakers, he brought them back to where they’d been when they recorded their first record in 1976. Rather than Petty singing bits of lyrics over several takes and stitching them together, Cordell demanded that Petty cut the vocal track live with the band for each take. According to Campbell, this was a bit of a shock to Petty who had grown accustomed to punching in and overdubbing. You can hear the liveliness of this on the recording. It sizzles, and it’s as good a testimony to Denny Cordell’s brilliance as a producer as I can think of.

(..) “[‘The Image of Me’] was cut during Southern Accents,” Tench said. “They mixed it, but I don’t think it was touched,” before being released on the Playback box set." (...) “To have Cordell come back for something like this record was really wonderful, really magical. And when Tom was cutting the vocal, Tom told me that he sang up to a point and, as you do, you say, okay, stop and pick it up there and we’ll go in there on the top of the second verse. And Cordell said ‘no, TP, we’ll go back to the top and sing it all of the way through.’ And he didn’t let him do anything on it. He made him sing it all the way through in the same voice, in the same emotion, in the same thing. And I don’t remember him being like that when we did the first record, but that’s what he did. And he was right.”

not the one who's tryin' to dub your anime (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 15 May 2024 20:51 (six months ago) link

The Best Of Everything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hySGRNEKYN0

scott seward, Thursday, 16 May 2024 12:28 (six months ago) link

Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7miwvJq3Rk

scott seward, Thursday, 16 May 2024 12:28 (six months ago) link

Cracking Up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOxdkY0i-GE

scott seward, Thursday, 16 May 2024 12:29 (six months ago) link

BONUS TRACK!!!!

Band Of The Hand · Bob Dylan · The Heartbreakers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxGzJQV1MI0

scott seward, Thursday, 16 May 2024 12:30 (six months ago) link

Image Of Me (Live)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiScs1JWscc

scott seward, Thursday, 16 May 2024 12:32 (six months ago) link

I love "Band of the Hand," hard to find for many years.

For "The Best of Everything" Tom Petty handed production reins to Robbie Robertson, who brought it back dressed with the album's subtlest, most necessary horns. The vocal is understated. The chorus melody is lovely.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 May 2024 12:55 (six months ago) link

"Crackin' Up" is a Nick Lowe song where Petty sounds like Mark Knopfler.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 May 2024 12:56 (six months ago) link

Agree, The Best of Everything is sweet. The way the harmonies emerge on "sometimes she used to sing" is a nice moment.

So it's interesting, taking the album as a whole I feel like there are only two real disasters, the songs are mostly OK-to-pretty-good. But few are great, the production's bad all over and the general vibe is just very diffuse and scattered — overdone and half-baked at the same time.

"The Best of Everything" just hit me like a ton of bricks on first listen. Where has *that* level of writing and performance instincts been this whole album? Damn.

not the one who's tryin' to dub your anime (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 16 May 2024 22:01 (six months ago) link

when i first listened, "the best of everything" struck me as a band / richard manuel song. i didn't realize robbie robertson was involved.

Thus Sang Freud, Thursday, 16 May 2024 22:04 (six months ago) link

Tom Petty:

"I can thank Robbie for opening my eyes, really," Petty says. "I knew 'The Best Of Everything' was a good song, but it just couldn't come through. So I played it for Robbie, who liked it a lot and asked, 'What do you think if we take some liberties with it?' I said, Fine. [Later] he called and said, 'Look, I've had another idea. What do you think about a horn here and there?' I said, Sure, Robbie, whatever.

"He didn't want me to come in the studio while he was doin' the horn arrangement, which confused me at the time. Now I see why, because I probably would've backed him off. When he called me up to come hear it, I couldn't really even speak, you know. I heard it, and just, Yeah-yeah-yeah, I like it. So, from hearing that, I thought, Now, there's another way to go about things that's much more interesting."

But the liberating revisionist approach Robertson had formulated got no support when Petty, the band members, and Iovine entered the studio for the Long After Dark sessions.

"It was stomped down at the door, which was what was frustrating about that album to me," Petty snarls, reliving the torment. "Me and Iovine would have these huge disputes. I was tryin' to get a little wacky, and everyone in the group felt like this was a time for no wackiness; they thought that I'd gotten too wacky already. They'd say, 'No, let's just do a real good rock album,' and I'd think, Well, yeah, but there's a lot more we could be doin'. So I went along with it and did that album. But then I had the Southern thing goin' I still hadn't put together. On the Long After Dark tour, I played Nick Lowe 'The Best Of Everything' one night, and Nick lost his mind — he must've played it twenty times over and over. He's sayin', 'This is it, man — this is what is goin' on!' He thought it sounded real Southern, and I thought, It'll work then; I'll put it on the album. I didn't even remix it."

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 May 2024 23:40 (six months ago) link

if you guys want to say anything about the live album or post a video from it go right ahead. i wasn't planning on covering it. the Byrds cover was a hit on radio i think. they had three singles from the live album and two for southern accents. i think. but tomorrow i will post the first track from the next album.

scott seward, Friday, 17 May 2024 00:07 (six months ago) link

i swear that damn flag just meant "SOUTH" to a lot of people. i didn't even think about it when i was a kid. it was everywhere.

scott seward, Friday, 17 May 2024 00:09 (six months ago) link

"Needles and Pins" with Stevie Nicks made the top 40. It's fine; as usual they sound great duetting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aayuDpDDgM

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 May 2024 00:19 (six months ago) link

The next album is one of my favorite Petty albums and I can't wait.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 May 2024 00:19 (six months ago) link

I listened to most of the live album yesterday. My main feeling was that it was unfortunate that they felt they had to find a use for the horn section on every song. Seems clear that an album or two earlier would have been the right time for a really barnstorming live record.

not the one who's tryin' to dub your anime (Doctor Casino), Friday, 17 May 2024 01:15 (six months ago) link

Jammin' Me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCFAzPl1QmE

scott seward, Friday, 17 May 2024 12:02 (six months ago) link

Aw yeah. Bob Dylan co-write. A "back-to-basics" move that sounds fresh. I don't mind the Vanessa Redgrave and Joe Piscopo references. I suppose it's "about" media overload but really it's about Tom Petty's innate conservatism, an early draft of "I Won't Back Down." But for once he sounds like the media overload got to him, producing this excellent car song which he left off the first Greatest Hits because it reminded him of the darkest period of his life (an arsonist burned his Hollywood home to the ground).

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 May 2024 12:08 (six months ago) link

nice write-up! i love this song. love the forward momentum. it sweeps me away with it. it could just keep going and i'd be fine.

scott seward, Friday, 17 May 2024 12:14 (six months ago) link

very curious about this album! pretty sure I've never heard a note of it.

not the one who's tryin' to dub your anime (Doctor Casino), Friday, 17 May 2024 12:17 (six months ago) link

i have a thing for chorded riffs with lots of empty space and the steady drum beat. the ac/dc / easybeats thing. i don't remember hearing this on ny radio, though i get the sense it was played elsewhere?

Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 17 May 2024 12:19 (six months ago) link

I did a little Billboard research last night. Radio programmers greeted the self-produced Let Me Up (I've Had Enough) with palpable relief; I suppose no one liked Southern Accents. "Jammin' Me" immediately hit #1 on the Mainstream Rock (aka AOR) chart in the spring of '87 for four weeks, his biggest hit on that chart to date. Let Me Up came out at the same time as Bowie's Never Let Me Down and Fleetwood Mac's Tango in the Night, all with high expectations. It earned good reviews -- Christgau even liked it!. ""The general feeling from most people I'm talking to is that it's the best record Petty's done," one industry guy told Billboard. "["Jammin' Me"] is the first No. 1 most -re- quested record I remember Tom Petty having."

Well! Let Me Up, like Never Let Me Down, flopped: his first album to miss the top ten since 1978. "Jammin' Me" stopped at #18 and like I said earlier wasn't even included in his first comp despite doing better than many of its inclusions.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 May 2024 12:36 (six months ago) link

In the Zollo book, Petty still sounds like he suffers from PTSD as a result of that spring '87 fire. He recalls having to throw his maid in the pool because her clothes were on fire. He grabbed a garden hose and it melted in his hands. Then when he and the half-dressed kids are standing on the street in a daze Annie Lennox suddenly appears, whisks the kids away to a hotel, and with a credit card buys them thousands of dollars in clothes and basics (he says he was wearing some of those clothes for years). He says he's forever grateful to her.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 May 2024 12:39 (six months ago) link

Jammin’ Me his most throwaway hit, in a good way. Kind of a palate cleanser after Southern Accents.

This is their back-to-basics just-5-guys-in-a-room album.

oh man i remember that annie lennox angel of mercy story. bless her.

scott seward, Friday, 17 May 2024 13:13 (six months ago) link

unperson posted an interview he did with the late Keith LeBlanc who also had nothing but good things to say about her as a person and musician.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 May 2024 13:34 (six months ago) link

It's crazy that they never caught or knew whoever it was that set the house on fire. Traumatic to start with, but to know that somebody was basically trying to kill you ...

More shocking than the loss of their home and possessions (estimated at about $1 million) was the fact that investigators determined that the fire was not an accident. According to a report, an arsonist had drenched the house's back staircase in lighter fluid. Petty and his family were deeply disturbed by the fact that someone had wanted to kill them.

“We were shaken for years by it,” Petty admitted in Paul Zollo's 2005 book Conversations With Tom Petty. "It’s sort of like being raped, I would imagine. It really took a long time. And it was 10 times as bad, because you knew that somebody just went and did it. Somebody tried to off you.”

Petty said that, as a result of the blaze, he had trouble using the word "fire" in his lyrics. But he did write one of his most famous tunes about the experience: "I Won't Back Down," which appeared on 1989's Full Moon Fever, was inspired by defiant feelings toward his attacker. "I'll stand my ground / And I won't back down," he sang.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 May 2024 14:14 (six months ago) link


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