they were on sst so they probably never got any money from new sales either
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 20 May 2024 20:50 (one month ago) link
It’s a little unfair how little attention Bread gets when you have people going nuts over all kind of 70s soft rock private press yachtZee
― brimstead, Monday, 20 May 2024 21:10 (one month ago) link
Plus David Gates has genuine Hipster Cred from working with Beefheart and the Monkees!
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 20 May 2024 21:47 (one month ago) link
re:legitimacy of slovs on spotify-umm, lamentable truth indeed. i'm just stoked the albums are *a little* more accessible. ums also otm re:their most likely never seen sst residuals. the band should get the new alliance stuff reissued at least (mostly because "sic/think" is secretly their best song and dammit, what a mood!).
tangent: let me tell you a little story about how i purchased a second hand slovenly album from a discogs seller that just happened to have the same return address as the drag city hq.
also yes, david gates/bread clearly the best of the "classic soft rockers you're gonna hear eventually if you spend any time in a cvs or walgreens." i like america better than all of 'em - especially "muskrat love"!
(is that last part controversial? or just unpopular?)
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Monday, 20 May 2024 22:37 (one month ago) link
America have some jams.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 20 May 2024 22:43 (one month ago) link
xp re slovenly: weird that Thinking Of Empire is missing from spotify as all their other SST albums are up. it might be my favourite of their albums and may have the most appeal for your average indie/post-punk fan?
― Bernard Quidbins (NickB), Monday, 20 May 2024 22:47 (one month ago) link
America can have some pretty boring stuff on their albums. The singles are kinda the best stuff. I'd rather listen to Barclay James Harvest. who i adore.
― scott seward, Monday, 20 May 2024 23:19 (one month ago) link
plus, the original "Muskrat Love" is best. this album is 100% bangers.
https://i.discogs.com/zxZUzW1YW-tL2ASUizbO97TbSxqmBo14MUSKftq2QRc/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTM3ODM3/OTMtMTM0NDI2MjAz/MC0zMjI0LmpwZWc.jpeg
― scott seward, Monday, 20 May 2024 23:21 (one month ago) link
xpost nick-yep, ToE not being there is a damn shame. +i def agree: it's the best gateway/intro to them; go backwards for more darkish new wave-y sounds, keep going for the fullbore mathjazzartpunkcore of stuff that followed.
+i mean, america covered john martyn. doing something right at least some of the time if yer doin that imo:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWsPXxIGTkgamerica - "head+heart" (1972)
those harmonies. always nothing but♡♡♡♡♡
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 00:24 (one month ago) link
as for my america controp,
their best song is a tie between two album cuts that just happen to be next to each other:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR4j0m7Ya_8america - "submarine ladies"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8SvAf4ua5samerica - "it's life"
both from the middle of side one of 1973's hat trick, which is also their best album. easily.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 00:50 (one month ago) link
also the title track on that album is them doing a really good imitation of "suite judy" or "country girl." kinda sorta rips in that second section.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 00:55 (one month ago) link
it feels weird that i wasn't aware of any of the members of america, not even their names.
― well below the otm mendoza line (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 02:33 (one month ago) link
they're all named after fault lines
― Iacocca Cola (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 05:10 (one month ago) link
a band with no name...
to be fair, i have owned 10 Barclay James Harvest records and i don't know anyone's name in that band either.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 05:12 (one month ago) link
Steve Harwell is the American Jarvis Cocker.
― Deflatormouse, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 05:15 (one month ago) link
(xp) Not even Woolly Wolstenholme?
― I've left the box of soup near your shoes (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 06:23 (one month ago) link
y'all got me to finally listen to the Best of BreadI found in a crate on Braddock Ave in Pittsburgh 28 years ago, along with many other pristine copies of yacht rock classics. I really only listened to the Aja from that lot. I knew I'd recognize a bunch of the songs, but Bread didn't do total-earworm hooks, did they? I loved that "It don't matter to me" song when I was a kid. I'd sullenly march around the playground alone, repeating "it don't matter to me" like it was the only line in the song, when not picked for kickball or something. They remind me of the Moody Blues more than I expected, but maybe that's the general production values. America's greatest hits was also found that day, will compare.
― Bertold Brak (bendy), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 13:16 (one month ago) link
America wasn't cutting singles like this in 1957. so pretty!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbzTqvFHEwI
― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 13:53 (one month ago) link
America wasn't writing songs like this in 1963. best song!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC5GRbfXyPw
― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 13:56 (one month ago) link
America wasn't producing and writing sweet soul singles like this in 1964.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MRaJg6GVLA
― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 13:59 (one month ago) link
bullshit
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 14:00 (one month ago) link
you could make an amazing 5-CD box of the stuff he produced/arranged/wrote/performed before you even get to Bread. pretty amazing career.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 14:01 (one month ago) link
plus, david gates made all those cool surf records with the wrecking crew. did America make cool surf records with glenn campbell and leon russell and hal blaine? i don't think they did.
https://i.discogs.com/rZYjhEmORe7x2LPjdepPyCR9eY0qX_a3bPNd6b3coxU/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:597/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTIzOTg4/MjktMTYxNzczMDYy/OC0yMjcyLmpwZWc.jpeg
https://i.discogs.com/RuMZQZCn5l1gNbA1dIR_fFXVL2PDpW_ZhGZFsgc2q0M/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTI1ODU4/NjUtMTU3MTU4MjYy/OS0xMTEwLmpwZWc.jpeg
https://i.discogs.com/IXN0tE8mBWtc40aJXHN6HQ_EKvrbhG9s3tcD7CCmZ_4/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTI5NDc3/NDItMTUyNDQ0MzM4/Ni02MTY2LmpwZWc.jpeg
― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 14:07 (one month ago) link
actually i have no idea what america was doing before america.
back when david gates and leon russell were the fencemen.
https://i.discogs.com/HBJ0bCxE4eUmu64KRbXbh7rbWINkjB98W84fUW5AiF0/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:591/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTE1NjQ2/ODA5LTE1OTUxNjc2/NjQtMjUyNS5qcGVn.jpeg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdKiOocYCk4
― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 14:10 (one month ago) link
enh, you're right. dewey and the gang were certainly not songwriting studio dwelling pros. they were coffee shoppers who somehow got lucky enough to get george martin's attention occasionally.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 15:38 (one month ago) link
Good collection from Australia:
David Gates - The Early Years 1962-1967
Url: https://www.discogs.com/release/9963232-David-Gates-The-Early-Years-1962-1967
― Hideous Lump, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 16:30 (one month ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOHe8uJXwAAxc3_?format=jpg&name=900x900
am i doing this right
― Indexed, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 16:50 (one month ago) link
most people on this board will agree with you
― Are you addicted to struggling with your horse? (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 16:52 (one month ago) link
i've never listened to the chronic. i'm more of a nate dogg fan. i love those other ones though.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 16:54 (one month ago) link
i've never listened to doggystyle either. i'm more of a Above The Law kinda person. i do like "gin and juice".
― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 16:56 (one month ago) link
that looks to be an excerpt from the list "boring ass mainstream classics that i don't want to ever hear or hear about ever again ever"
but ya i'd agree with those rankings, generally speaking.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 17:02 (one month ago) link
The only one of those albums I've heard front to back is 1989, so I have no idea how I'd rank them, but The Chronic is the one I'd be most likely to listen to, so I guess I'd put that on top.
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 17:11 (one month ago) link
i do v much appreciate the based controp energy of putting the beatles immediately below all of those because fuck the stupid fucking bratles.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 17:24 (one month ago) link
that wasn't a typo, this is the controp thread 8)
Thinking of Empire was never released on CD, which probably has something to do with it. Though there was a Saint Vitus album (I want to say the second one, Hallows Victim?) that suddenly appeared on CD a few years ago when Greg realised he could sell a few, I guess?
the band should get the new alliance stuff reissued at least (mostly because “sic/think” is secretly their best song and dammit, what a mood!).
Well, that’s why I did a little shopping around on Discogs a year into the pandemic and got some near-mint copies of their three New Alliance records for pretty reasonable prices (and a not-quite-mint copy of Drive It Home, Abbernathy).
― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 17:29 (one month ago) link
do people actually prefer 1989 (taylor's version) to 1989 or are they just kissing the ring?
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 17:42 (one month ago) link
David Gates WAY more talented than Dr. Dre.
wrecking crew -vs- world class wreckin cru
hollywood -vs- compton fiiiiiiiite!!!
― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 17:51 (one month ago) link
xp that made me lol, too. it's the worst (Taylor's Version) relative to the original to my ears.
― Indexed, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 18:06 (one month ago) link
wrecking crew -vs- world class wreckin cruhollywood -vs- compton fiiiiiiiite!!!― scott seward, Tuesday, May 21, 2024 10:51 AM (thirty-two minutes ago)
― scott seward, Tuesday, May 21, 2024 10:51 AM (thirty-two minutes ago)
Had to rack my brain but Jimmy Zavala played with both Jeff Skunk Baxter (on RStewart's Tonight I'm Yours) as well as with Dr. Dre on Efil4zaggin.
― Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 18:33 (one month ago) link
its a small world after all.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 18:40 (one month ago) link
Best of Bread much bester than America's Greatest Hits. America is all glopped up with CSN harmonies, not the Neil whine of the biggest hit. Best of Bread also has that old San Diego Padres typeface that I love. But across both records, so many gentle exhortations to lay down together, I gotta pour out the snifter of Harvey's Bristol Cream and ruin the shag carpet in front of the fireplace and leave for now.
― Bertold Brak (bendy), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 20:13 (one month ago) link
Best of Bread also has that old San Diego Padres typeface that I love
b a d r e
― Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 21:37 (one month ago) link
i didn't realize that the guy from the avalanches went on to be in bread (to say nothing of all the other connections). i love learning about shit like that. thanks scott. i will report back if i end up liking bread.
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 22:24 (one month ago) link
thought being in bread involved how you came into the world
― Iacocca Cola (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 22:29 (one month ago) link
scott you should listen to the chronic
― c u (crüt), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 22:33 (one month ago) link
co-sign would watch a first reaction vid
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Wednesday, 22 May 2024 02:43 (one month ago) link