ILM Top 100 Records - Results - No. 75-51

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yes, i am breaking one of the rules, but i have special dispensation. so away we go.

75. Congos - Heart of the Congos
74. John Coltrane - A Love Supreme
73. Leonard Cohen - Greatest Hits
72. Chic - "Good Times" (single)
71. Glen Campbell - "Wichita Lineman" (single)
70. Phil Spector - Back to Mono (1958-1969) (box set)
69. Turbonegro - "I Got Erection" (single)
68. R.E.M. - Murmur
67. Radiohead - Kid A
66. Dinosaur Jr. - Where You Been
65. Miles Davis - Sketches of Spain
64. Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
63. Syd Barrett - Madcap Laughs
62. Portishead - Dummy
61. Pixies - "Debaser" (single)
60. Beach Boys - Sunflower/Surf's Up
59. David Bowie - Hunky Dory
58. Stevie Wonder - Talking Book
57. Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground
56. Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
55. Sly & the Family Stone - Greatest Hits
54. Sleater-Kinney - Dig Me Out
53. Orb - The Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld
52. Cure - Disintegration
51. Belle and Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister

fred solinger, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

man o man...kid a??????????

what's next???? yes' roundabout?????

paul, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Kind of a drab stretch this: it's all going a bit Mojo.

Tom, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

look, it's 'cure'!

and how the hell did sleater-kinney place so high?

ethan, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Looks like Miles is going for the "most albums in the top 100" prize, though if Kind of Blue is #64, the top 50 may be kind of dry for him. Although I wouldn't be surprised if you crazy hipsters put On the Corner into the top 25.

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Omar - come clean, just how many Miles Davis albums did you vote for ;)?

Dr.C, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Fred you are a COCKFARMER. Why do you always split lists up into multiple posts?

Josh, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's more easily digested this way. Plus it gives us all a chance to bitch about four times as many injustices!

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No, it makes sense that Kind of Blue would be lower. Look at the ILM audience.

I voted for 3 Miles albums. And not even all of the ones that have made it in so far, ha.

I hope you're happy about your Turbonegro single, Otis. And number 69, even. I suspect the band would be pleased.

Josh, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Obviously, Ethan, more people than just Sterling and I voted for SK. ;)

Josh, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Breaking up lists is lame as fuck. Did you throw out my ballot? I hope so, but I doubt it.

Ally, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Breaking up the list is a) my idea, b) ace.

Tom, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

OK then you are a cockfarmer too and Fred is still a cockfarmer for listening to you.

Josh, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Aw, c'mon, Josh. Don't you think the suspense of the thing is part of the fun? Aren't you just sitting on the edge of your seat right now trying to figure out which of the three Miles records you voted for are going to appear in the next batch, if any? (Doo-Bop at #1 perhaps?) Isn't posting all 100 of them kind of like Dionne Warwick wandering out onto the stage, looking down her nose at the camera and announcing every single one of the top ten singles in a monologue? Wouldn't you miss the Solid Gold dancers? Wouldn't you miss the special guests? (y'all can argue amongst yourselves which of you would be the best solid gold dancers doing interpretive versions of "the hits".)

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The special guests can suck it.

Josh, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Thus far, one (one!) of my choices has made it to the list. Ah well.

Sterling Clover, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I should've asked you to switch Velvets albums for my SK choice, Sterl. :)

Josh, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sigh. 50 more to go -- ther's still hope for Loaded to make it. I mean, a top 100 list with this much Miles and only one Velvetrs album? Impossible!

Sterling Clover, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Miles benefits from having a very long, prolific, and dynamic career, so he appeals to a much broader audience (though certainly not a homogeneous one).

Besides, Loaded? Uh.

Josh, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If White Light/White Heat doesn't make the top 50, I'm going to be very surprised.

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

alright only up to three records that i own. all of this stuff that i have absolutely no interest in. cool.

keith, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

As I was saying to Tom earlier today (or maybe I just thought it) - it would be very cool if Fred were to do similarity stats for everyone, namely: score how much their lists overlap with the group list. Of course everyone could do that themselves at the end but Fred is a cockfarmer so I like the idea of him working harder on this cockfarming list.

Josh, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

where you been was such a fine moment for Dino jr...i hope this doesnt mean there's no more of theirs up there, ditto for Stevie W.

i'll eat my shorts twice if the godamn stone roses are further up this list

SleepTilItHurts, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah, however much like the every other top list this gets, it's still throwing up records I haven't listened to. And some records I hope to never listen to again (orb/cure)

K-reg, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dr.C I'll come clean I voted for 2 Miles records and one of them is indeed On the Corner. Of course Miles gets more mentions than the bloody Velvet Underground (okay it's a bit of surprise that list- favorite V.U.& Nico only makes it to 57).

I got 10 of these records which makes it an overall 25 at the moment :) This looks like the indie-stretch, with the token reggae album thrown in. But nothing really irritating has shown up yet.

Omar, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i have even less in common with y'all than eye surmized

HEPBURN 911, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Loaded" will be up there somewhere, Sterling. I voted for it too.

Number 31, I reckon.

Dr. C, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have this nagging feeling this top-100 biz is going to result in some bloodbath of a discussion, the discussion to end all discussions: indie vs pop, prententious gits must die, where are The Replacements/Beatles/Wonderstuff? etc,etc.

Omar, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

A bloodbath ? Heheh, I can't wait.

Patrick, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

omar, the v.u. album at 57 is not nico but rather the third, self-titled album. nico was named at least twice but didn't have the points to make the 100.

fred solinger, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Fred, you shittin' me? Than this top 100 is not valid and we will all be arrested on charges of breaking All-Time Lists paragraph 3.1 which clearly states: All Time Top 100 Lists must have Velvet Underground & Nico in the top 20. Failure to include said item will result in heavy fine and possible prison sentence.

Omar, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

How is this going to end up in a bloodbath discussion if all that's going to happen is me and Josh are going to bitch about how stupid it is to break up the list? I refuse to discuss ANYTHING else because I refuse to have to go back and forth between 5 different threads to remember which album placed where. HOW do you discuss the merits of comparable albums on a list if the list is in 100 pieces? If Mr. "This is Ace!" Ewing could explain this logic, I'd appreciate it.

Josh is right. You guys are total cockfarmers.

Ally, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Look, discussing comparable merits of albums on a list is the most boring way possible to discuss a list. I was vainly hoping the collective minds of ILM could come up with something better than "ooh, X is on the list but Y is not", so I suggested that Fred split up the list and give people more room to ACTUALLY COMMENT CRITICALLY ON INDIVIDUAL CHOICES, perhaps, NOT in reference to the bloody list. But it seems I was wrong, and in fact people have managed to find the only thing MORE BORING than "Why is this album on but not this one?", i.e. carping about how the list is posted.

This is exactly why I hate lists, so it's good to see that confirmed.

Tom, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And, if you want to save your comments until the whole list is published, then by all means do that. It'll be up in, what, a day? two? Has the Internet completely atrophied people's sense of patience??

Tom, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Comparable to the "VU and Nico" rule is the "The Band" rule. I mean Robbie Robertson and his cronies have to be in the top ten, even though their S/T album stinks. Oklahoma tractor-driver chic ca. 1934 will never be cool.

Dr. C, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Within ILM parameters, The Band is the most uncool thing imaginable. And I love it. And I say it's *1884* Oklahoma, uh, horse-carriage chic ;).

Patrick, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So Tom, what you're saying is that you see these installments as threads where lots of records are offered for appraisal at once. This makes it effectively the same as a big multi-artist CLASSIC OR DUD thread, which I thought you weren't a fan of.

I told you the whole thing would end in tears!

Nick, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Multiple C-O-Ds are band, but a multiple C-O-D with 15 or 25 records is better than one with 100. Personally I think doing a c-o-d one at a time for the whole list would have been a neat idea ;)

You were right, Nick. As I think I said at the time.

Tom, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

collective lists will always go this way, but its still interesting to see what gets in.

i think what will be most interesting though is if we get to see individual lists. there are a lot of people here who i'd really like to see the individual choices of. the collective will always be less interesting than individual but is still interesting. also the canonical section (50-36) means there's more room for different choices higher up. maybe

gareth, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

dr. c: i don't think it's revealing too much to say that the band received not ONE vote in the polling. perhaps they were a victim of my fascistic "no the" rule; i refuse to apologize for it, especially as i dislike the band greatly.

fred solinger, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm intrigued by some of the debate going on here as it reveals a lot not only about individual posters, but also the sense of ownership/propriety (sp?) and community thata Tom/Fred et al have tried to build up, encouraging people to discuss and post, and then Tom/Fred are howled down for the way they post and what they post. Lord help me, I'm not saying these guys are beyond criticism, but I imagine you have to put in some serious time to maintain a website and these lists - yet suddenly if they don't give somethiing to people the way they want it, even if they are getting it free, fuck there's no tomorrow, no salvation...bah humbug is what I fucking say - you don't like the list, go set up yr own you miserable bunch of listists. (and try saying that with a lisp)

Geoff, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

OK, thing is most of these records have been discussed quite a lot on ILM before. But I'm all in favour of discussing individual records, without knowing whether others by the same artist are higher up the list.

Here goes:

Sleater-Kinney - Dig Me Out

What is it with the interest in this band? Hearing them almost sends me into a take-no-prisoners 'guitar music is dead' rant of the worst kind. Can someone explain the joys of this record to me? I was going to say that maybe you need to hear them play live but then I remembered I already had (at Camber Sands) and anyway, we're supposed to be talking about records.

Nick, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The list rocks, but I'm now a lone voice here :( And I like that it's given away in parts, gives you more time to think things over. But the reason people are holding back comments is precisely that you don't know if you're being robbed because Morrisey didn't make nr.1.

Anyway, to get on with a bit of discussion. I noticed that voting no- tactically paid off. While making up my list I was toying with changing some votes with the idea that there was a greater chance of people voting for Horses instead of Radio Ethiopia, Tago Mago instead of Future Days. I'm glad I just voted for what I wanted in there (and that somebody else remembers A Guy Called Gerald ;)

Still there's going to be hell if What's Bloody Going On is in the top 50.

Omar, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm with Nick over Sleater-Kinney in general - what I've heard of them has just been so....worthy somehow, more in sound than in lyrics. Which isn't to say rock music shouldn't be serious, though the seriousness in rock works best for me when it feels more accidental and fluid and less determined.

Tom, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Heavens to Betsy were fun, but Sleater-Kinney just seem so dull in comparison. It has always baffled me that SK received all the critical raves while HTB were seen as kind of riot grrl also rans.

Nicole, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Beach Boys - Sunflower/Surf's Up

Fred - did votes for the individual albums get combined? Or might they theoretically pop up on their own higher up (a la 'Debaser'/'Doolittle' maybe) thus thrusting the supremacy of 'the record as artifact' in the faces of the 'it's all about the music, man' brigade.

Anyway, I like my 'Surf's Up' neat and clean, as there's only been a couple of tracks of 'Sunflower' I've heard that are great. And Surf's Up has 'Student Demonstration Time' on it, which really rocks.

Nick, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

nick: in the special case of sunflower/surf's up, several people, yours truly included, voted for the two-fer that featured those albums. i'm afraid that in the case of the pixies, the only similar vote could've been come on, pilgrim/surfer rosa. and it's with great regret that i inform you that that particular combination did NOT in fact make the list.

fred solinger, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What Geoff said. Exactly.

Sleater-Kinney... I love Call The Doctor, used to listen to it compulsively, think Dig Me Out is okay, but I'm not gonna beat on the heads of folks who feel otherwise. But boy does "Good Things" speak to me.

Patrick, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Geoff - I am just picking on Fred because he's always been a cockfarmer in kind to me. ;) It is an understanding we have, you see. I really would prefer the list be posted all at once, but aside from that really I don't care too much.

Josh, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The best Top 100 list I ever saw or made was with my friend Alex. We'd been in the pub all day and at 10.00 or so got out a notebook and started writing down the Top 100 Records Of All Time, as we could remember them. The order we remembered them was their ranking on the list, and there was no vetoing. Alas I've lost the list, though I fully intend to repeat the experiment.

Tom, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nick - regarding Dig Me Out.

Actually I have trouble preferring any of the last 3 SK albums over one another (though I am certain I prefer them to Call the Doctor, which I still find worthwhile). But I voted for Dig Me Out over the others because I knew Sterling would vote for some SK, and asked what he would vote for in order to make sure my vote would count for the list.

Most of the album is some of the most electrifying, gripping music I know. Perhaps that's not very convincing - people say that sort of thing about all kinds of music - but I find plenty of music electrifying, exciting, gripping, etc., and I've not yet found any to compare to SK at their most electrifying. I think the wail clinches it.

Josh, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

several people, yours truly included, voted for the two-fer that featured those albums.

WHAAT?? I never voted at all. The prospect of someone pretending to be me is so unlikely that I can only assume this is further evidence of your all-round incompetence. As a matter of interest, just when did you first become the Freaky Trigger whipping boy, Fred?

My point about Pixies (was the lack of definite article a band decision, a piece of Vaughan Oliver poncery or was Fred Solinger somehow involved?) was to question the difference between a single and the album it appears on being treated as separate entities versus two albums being collected together on a two-fer reissue. Is it about a single's B-sides, its artwork or just a sentimental attachment to a single's seven inches of manic pop thrill? Sorry, I'm wittering. My question remains - if someone had voted for 'Surf's Up' on it's own would it have been treated as a vote for a separate record to the two-fer?

Nick, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sorry - I can't read. It said 'yours truly' not 'you'. Ignore what I said.

Nick, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

'yours truly' = person saying 'yours truly', Nick. "An Americanism, babe."

Josh, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tom: re your best ever best ever. Did you start at 100 or at one? (My friend Talitha can write any message, however long, in a spiral starting on the outside, and not have to rewrite owing to appalling ink-blob teeny-letter disaster at the centre. I've never seen her miss... )

mark s, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, and I have no problem with the list being posted in several parts. Keep the suspense going. It would be nice though if the list could be posted somewhere in its entirety, once the # 1 has been revealed.

Patrick, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

nick, quite alright, but you do raise a salient point, namely: when did i become the freaky trigger whipping boy? did it begin with this poll, or does it stretch back farther in time? maybe i've been a whipping boy all my life. i do recall reading a book with said title in elementary school and empathizing far too greatly with the protagonist.

as far as two-fers are concerned, if one voted for surf's up, it's a vote for surf's up: they obviously didn't want to be subjected to sunflower and so their vote shan't suggest that they would. if you voted for the two-fer, as i did, it meant that you enjoyed both albums, if not equally then pretty close to it.

fred solinger, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's a capital letters thing I think, Fred.

Mark: we started at 1. Which was License To Ill by the Beastie Boys, I think, which we'd been doing imitations of all evening, to prove it. Then #2 was "The Boys Of Summer" by Don Henley.

Tom, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

where did this expression "cockfarmer" come from? it is used like punctuation at ft while i've never heard it offline or even seen it on anyone else's web page. what does it mean to farm a cock?

sundar subramanian, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't know what a cockfarmer is, but it's a most excellent word, and it beats "pants" (as in "that song is...") and "chancer" by a million miles.

Patrick, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Surely it's strictly a reference to chicken ranching! Surely!

Sean Carruthers, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Excellent definition here

Nick, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)


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