TS: "Two Princes" vs. "Rude"

feel free to vote for either for whatever reason you think is appropriate

You monster!

The very LAST thing I need is to be reminded that both of these songs exist whenever I hear one of them >_<

I predict the results will ratify that "Two Princes" is an all-time classic and "Rude" is pretty much the worst thing ever.

am I missing a connection here?

Both songs about a sketchy dude who wants to marry a girl against her father's wishes. To be fair to the protagonist of "Two Princes," he recognizes his own sketchiness and is at least not all passive-aggressive like the ding-dong in "Rude."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgKZjB4Ulcs

hmmm one of the most joyous awesome songs ever versus some crap with an okay-ish hook and nothing else that will be forgotten in six months, how will i ever decide

i do love how the magic dude claims to appreciate that dad is old fashioned, but his approach to the matter is to ring dad's doorbell wearing his slackest of slack-ass outfits, and casually toss out the idea that their families be entwined, and then when he gets shot down he's like awww mannnnnn, this is so BOGUS! "why you gotta be so rude?" is a weird way to phrase the whole thing anyway. he makes it sound like he asked the guy for change at the bus stop. is asking dad's permission for a daughter's hand in marriage seriously a viable plot for a song anyway? note that while the dad is a figure or obstacle in "two princes," the guy's point is that the love interest should tell dad to fuck off.

Two princes because the nineties were the greatest decade ever

come on, "Two Princes" murders this other shit and no we will not rediscover it in 10 years time as a misunderstood classic, dude is noxious

Never heard 'Rude' before, but the singer looks like my dentist.

And of course 'Two Princes' will win this in a walk.

sorry for the fb link but i assume most can see this ... dad's response song to RUDE:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=832838960062449

douchebag patriarchy runs both ways, who knew?

this rude song must be really terrible if people are repping for the spin doctors (who are basically identical to the dave matthews band) over it.

For 20 years Two Princes has been one of my most hated songs ever but put it next to Rude and it suddenly glows with charm. Well done Rude, you make everything else seem better.

i think both of these songs are good but not great and only ever enjoyed either for about 2 weeks before they got overplayed.

DL OTM

Jimmy Olsen's Blues over both

PS Jimmy Olsen's Blues is also terrible

is "rude" going to be the token broish song that makes the year-end ilm countdown despite being terrible -______-

i seriously doubt it'll be in the ILM list, afaict i'm the only person who's copped to liking it at all and i may not even vote for it

i've copped to liking it twice (6 months apart) over in the worst songs of 2014 thread...not that i am particularly proud of that.

can't imagine ever voting for it in any kind of year-end thing tho

Whatever happened to Big Mountain

http://bigmountainband.com/tour/

Both songs are terrible, but at least the chorus of "Two Princes" isn't a hissyfit by a grown-ass man.

no that would be "little miss can't be wrong"

maybe "rude" is the prequel to "run joey run," set the night before shit got heated

Suddenly, a shot rang out
And I saw Julie falling
I ran to her, I held her close
When I looked down, my hands were red!
And here's the last words Julie said...

Why you gotta be so ruuuude
Don't you know I'm human tooooo
why you gotta be so ruuuude
I'm gonnna......marrry...

sadly "don't kill the magic" by MAGIC!, courtesy of ournameismagicVEVO, is not about said dad trying to kill the MAGIC!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R4qb6_RPUc

i dig that the video is a "Wrapped Around Your Finger" homage, a haunting reminder that pompous reggae-pop dudes aren't always flashes in the pan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y79kRPYafAM

I've found that "Rude" is at least funny if you imagine that the lead singer of MAGIC! is Jar-Jar Binks

That's what I say now.

hadnt ever heard rude before this weekend, am fine w/ it altho it makes me think of

Hi My father very root with me what can I do?

omg lol

told maura this weekend that if i hear "rude" one more time i'm going to start liking it

i kinda dig the drumming on it idk

You should listen to the album. Once more ppl hear that i feel like it'll be popist catnip

Was Rude big in the US or UK? I've never heard it before. It's awful alright.

Two Princes is better by all means. I don't think it's one of the best songs of the 90's (not close) but I do believe it defines the decade pretty well. It kind of captures the blend of pop that dominated the decade. It could fit in every montage scene from every 90's family film or sitcom.

"Was Rude big in the US or UK?"

dude it's about to go No. 1 here (here being the US)

This could do for the word "rude" what Alanis did for "ironic" 20 years ago. But while irony as a concept might not get introduced until 10th grade lit class, most people learn what being rude is when they're quite young and why does this guy not seem to understand it?

created an offshoot poll over on ile.

Her Hand in Marriage

You should listen to the album. Once more ppl hear that i feel like it'll be popist catnip

if this happens so help me god

"Can I have your daughter for the rest of my life"

Grrrrrrrross.

this song is gross that dude is gross

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111130545/3580810-9049500674-jar-.j.jpeg

"Whya yousa gotta be so wude?"

"Rude" was originally based on a real-life situation. The lead singer of Magic!, Nasri, had been in an unhealthy relationship with a previous girlfriend. One day, after his girlfriend was mad at him and started to become harsh, Nasri began singing the lines "Why you gotta be so rude/ don't you know I'm human too" in what he describes a "dark vibe." However, the concept did not work with the band well so it was revised and eventually made into a man talking to the disapproving father of his lover.[1]

Genre: reggae fusion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYdX9geon6U

One day, after his girlfriend was mad at him and started to become harsh, Nasri began singing the lines "Why you gotta be so rude/ don't you know I'm human too" in what he describes a "dark vibe."

I hope this means the girlfriend was still there, becoming harsh.

I was half-expecting the next sentence to be how they found the girlfriend's body in a closet, all deformed like she'd watched the video from The Ring

singer of rude reminds me of this guy for some reason https://bellobitesback.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/harold-and-kumar.jpg

oh god are we at the "what's wrong with holding a door open for a lady?" bit now?

http://www.spin.com/articles/magic-nasri-atweh-rude-interview/

Q: Where are you now?
A: Where in the world is Carmen San Diego?

Ugh. :(

that is the best URL

Britain has so far snubbed 'Rude' completely and doing so is probably our greatest achievement since inventing the internet.

i finally actively listened to the guitar solo last night and holy shit how had i not noticed it before

it's really the only legitimately funny part of the song

Surely this tweet is meant to be taken as pretty 'light' commentary on an underwritten popular song? It's like tweeting "Yes, but has anyone given any thought to who'll bring the dogs back IN?" I mean, it definitely points up the icky aspect of the song, but it's not framing it as "a horrifying, unforgivable affront on females everywhere."

― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:55 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

don't forget males

honestly I didn't even process the message of the song while I was listening to it because I was too busy imagining how many different ways the lead singer could meet a sudden, grisly death

then after I realized what the song was about I decided on hammers to the face

sorry i posted that thing about an affront to females, blah blah blah. i take it back, should've kept my mouth shut and stuck to the music. srsly.

oh god are we at the "what's wrong with holding a door open for a lady?" bit now?

― Daphnis Celesta, Thursday, July 17, 2014 3:30 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no, but we're at the "it betrays a very internet-outrage-bubble-engulfed mindset to think that most people, i.e. the people who made this no. 1, find this remotely creepy." at least with "blurred lines" the general pop-culture consensus was that it was a little sleazy at best

Hope Kyle Mooney is already preparing a parody for SNL.

Even on the poppy side, you have somebody positive like Taylor Swift; I don't necessarily like her by her music, but I respect that she's making catchy songs for young people. They're loving it. She's a positive person. She's elegant. And I think that's great. It's not just about music. It can't all be about music when you talk about the pop world. For Magic! it is. We're all about music.

This guy doesn't make a ton of sense sometimes.

Britain has so far snubbed 'Rude' completely and doing so is probably our greatest achievement since inventing the internet.

Probably only because singles in the UK get released to iTunes months after the rest of the world, fully expecting it to replace that terrible will.i.am song at #1 in about 2 weeks

Britain has so far snubbed 'Rude' completely and doing so is probably our greatest achievement since inventing the internet.

it's a list on radio 1 and #23 on itunes on preorders alone and isn't released until tomorrow

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katherine i feel like there's a distinction between a thought that isn't widely considered ugly/regressive and whether a thought is ugly/regressive, i don't think it takes a special Twitter Avant-Liberal mentality to find the whole "asking somebody's parents for their hand" steez to be...i dunno, "douche indicative" if not "douche positive"

beyond which i guess is a conversation about ways of expressing certain thoughts which i don't think Hank Magic! is gonna come out of glowingly either

"it betrays a very internet-outrage-bubble-engulfed mindset to think that most people, i.e. the people who made this no. 1, find this remotely creepy."

yeah, obviously, fair enough...it doesn't mean that a section of listeners are wildly off-base if they do find it creepy

I just read the Grantland piece that was mentioned upthread--can I just say, I don't think nearly enough attention is being given to the actually-outrageous fact that THE DUDES IN THIS BAND MET WHILE WORKING ON CHRIS BROWN'S "DON'T JUDGE ME"

two princes gave us this. http://mydickband.bandcamp.com/track/two-dicks

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Yeah "Rude" is being played on R1 several times a day at this point

"Yes, but has anyone given any thought to who'll bring the dogs back IN?"

rofl

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/ElectoralCollege1984.svg/349px-ElectoralCollege1984.svg.png

Cheryl Cole is about all that will stop Rude from going to #1 in the UK this week.

good luck uk

MUSIC NEWS
Magic!'s Nasri on Being an Older Bro to Bieber, Why 'Rude' Isn't Corny

By TIM GRIERSON | Jul 7, 2014 AT 11:40AM

Early in Magic!'s record release show at West Hollywood's Troubadour nightclub, frontman Nasri Atweh asks the young, giddy crowd, "You guys like reggae music?" The people cheer, which is no surprise: The next day, the Los Angeles-via-Toronto quartet will drop its debut, Don't Kill the Magic, a shiny collection of breezy pop tunes often accented by laidback reggae rhythms, especially on song-of-the-summer contender "Rude."

Magic! have been together less than two years, but the singer — who records under the name Nasri because "I just think it sounds cooler" — has been a radio force for years, collaborating with Adam Messinger to write and produce hits for artists like Pitbull ("Feel This Moment"), Chris Brown ("Don't Judge Me") and Justin Bieber ("Never Say Never"). Nasri had always wanted more, though: "When I was six, I knew I was going to be a singer," he tells Rolling Stone while hanging out at the band's North Hollywood studio the following afternoon. As with most everything Nasri says, the comment is delivered with a seamless, serene mixture of confidence and humility. Here, he discusses his relationship with Bieber, defends feel-good music and explains why despite making stoner-friendly songs he doesn't light up.

Q: You've had success as a hitmaker-for-hire. Did you fear getting pigeonholed as "the guy who writes for other people"?

A: The industry didn't want to support [my career]: "Oh, there's enough stars, but there's not a lot of good writers." I said, "I don't care what you think. I won't write for you anymore." I made a solo album right before Magic! — Atlantic Records wanted to sign me, and they said, "You could be a modern-day Seal." And I was like, "Okay, I'll try that." The album sounded good, but I always was kind of bored. My personality, although I'm very relaxed right now, is a little more zany and a little more out-there. When I met [Magic! guitarist] Mark [Pelli], I got pumped. We could do whatever we want — and with reggae, you get to be sensual and fun at the same time. So I really found myself through the band.

Q: Was reggae something you heard growing up?

A: I loved reggae, man. Toronto's got a pretty heavy reggae scene, and anybody who grows up doing R&B understands reggae: It's rhythmic, it's soulful. You're just born with it. Since I was a kid, if somebody started [mimics a reggae beat], I could flow on it.

When I was young, I thought I was going to be a pop star: "I'll be in a boy band." I had spiky hair, I was super-ripped and I was working out two hours a day. I had no musical education, so I thought, "I'll just pop and lock." Backstreet Boys were big at the time, but within about a year, I discovered soul music. After that, I didn't want to do pop music anymore. I stopped caring about being famous — I only cared about being good at music. I would use my playful charm and my will to win — I would paint people's walls and fix their roofs just to get sessions. I was scrappy, but I was a good writer: It was evident to people around me that I was writing catchy stuff all the time.

Q: You've worked with some pretty famous, and divisive, pop stars. Are there things about, say, Chris Brown or Justin Bieber that the rest of us don't understand just by following their exploits on TMZ?

A: The funny thing is, Chris Brown is just a music lover. He loves making music — he sits in the studio all day. Justin is a lot more like me: What he likes is more soulful, and his personality is out-there. I spent probably the most time with Justin out of everyone, because I did a lot of Justin's records. I look at him like a little brother.

Q: With his recent personal problems, have you reached out to him like an older brother would?

A: I just text him: "Are you cool?" He's like, "Yeah, I'm cool." It's none of my business. He's a grown man.

Q: Still, making music with someone is an intimate thing.

A: It is, but it's work. I could have written something else that day, but I was working for him. He knows that if he wants to escape, he can escape to certain creative people. You do what you gotta do. I mean, it's funny: Justin just called me the other day to congratulate me on "Rude." And I'm like, "Yeah, let's work. Let's do some things."

Q: At your show, I was impressed you pulled out a cover of Stevie Wonder's "Master Blaster."

A: My influences are Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Sting and Bob Marley. I never really take from anybody new — I go to the good, strong songs from back in the day. I like catchy music, but I don't like corny music. I have that fine line in my head, and "Rude" is right there. "Rude" could easily be corny.

Q: So, what keeps "Rude" from becoming corny?

A: I was careful with the way I was singing to just keep it cool. And the tempo, it's got some swag to it.

Q: Initially, "Rude" was written about an ex-girlfriend, right?

A: Yeah, it was a rough night, and she was mean. The next day, I was just writing: "Why you gotta be so rude? / Don't you know I'm human too?" That hook really stuck with Mark more than me — I didn't care. He kept saying, "You gotta write that song." I was like, "I don't like it." And then I played the hook for Adam one day, and he was like, "You should try it more happy." He was playing the guitar and I started singing this whole story. Wrote it in about 15 minutes — it just came out. So, yeah, there's an evolution to the song, but it comes from somewhere real. I think that's why people feel it.

Q: Some people tend to dismiss songs like "Rude": If a song just makes you feel good, it doesn't have depth.

A: Absolute nonsense. To assume that the human race cannot understand [a performer's] emotion, when everyone is constantly feeling emotion, makes no sense. I never underestimate people; I think people are very intelligent. You just have to have the courage to give it a shot and make something with some soul. Look at Sam Smith: People love him because people have souls.

Q: Reggae comes in and out of popularity…

A: It's a shtick to people.

Q: Exactly. So how does Magic! avoid shtick?

A: The lyrics. I'm not gonna talk about Rastafarianism — we just talk about love. The reggae part is not a shtick to us as musicians — we do that naturally. And reggae is not for one color or creed — it never was meant for that. We've met so many great reggae artists who say, "You're killing it." It's just music. Our album is really only about 70 percent reggae. If the next album's 50/50, cool — if the next album is a folk album, whatever. It's more focused on good songs than anything else, because you're not going to see me with dreads, smoking a joint. I don't smoke the weed — I'm really just creating vibes.

Q: Did you ever smoke?

A: I drank once when I was, like, 16. I smoked a joint once — not too much, just a little bit — and I thought, "Oh, that's what it's like to be high."

Q: Are you sober because you want to stay focused?

A: No, I'm just lucky: I'm comfortable in my skin.

Q: You realize Magic!'s music is gonna inspire people to light up.

A: Totally. We'll end up doing festivals, and people will be pretty zonked.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/magic-s-nasri-on-being-an-older-bro-to-bieber-why-rude-isnt-corny-20140707#ixzz387GaVQxc
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This guy's a monster

the singer — who records under the name Nasri because "I just think it sounds cooler"

this bodes well for deXter aRRogAnt, my punk alter-ego

the origin story for this song is basically just a guy saying 'hey that's not cool'

The funny thing is, Chris Brown is just a music lover.

he loves music just so much it makes him hulk out at the worst times

#NotAllMusicLovers

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/07/21/_rude_by_magic_is_the_no_1_song_on_billboard_s_hot_100_why_video.html

I can't believe it took me this long to register the irony of cod-reggae chiding someone for being 'rude'

lol. I didn't notice that. Has to be unintentional though, right?

Xp yeah I'm sure it's just coincidence, but it made me laff

Also, re: the charge of Breezy collaboration: it's obviously a little different if you're a young hired-gun trying to make a name in the industry (&/or make rent) than if you're Busta Rhymes... I don't think I would write them off entirely on those grounds, if I didn't already previously detest their music.

"you guys like reggae music?"

So why are all these Great White North folks jammin’?

substantial Jamaica-->Toronto diaspora in the 60s and 70s, IIRC

Cheryl Cole'S new single blocked "Rude" from debuting at number one in the UK. Britain is the best.

http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/crazy-stupid-love-secures-cheryl-a-place-in-official-chart-history-books-3295/

Somehow I had managed to completely escape "Rude" until this weekend, where it rudely violated my ears three separate times. Holy shit this song. This is like the "Hotel California" of shitty American cod-reggae.

the lead singer wrote one of the best justin bieber songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4em3LKQCAQ

feel like this is like if New Radicals decided to go ska for their first record lol

except Nasri's actually a more successful songwriter maybe than gregg alexander?

new radicals were great stfu

obv

Cheryl Cole'S new single blocked "Rude" from debuting at number one in the UK. Britain is the best.

Will you still love it when "Rude" will be the new number one next Sunday? It's outselling everything else at the moment, and no end in sight.

Tough luck, UK. :(

has anyone mashed up the chorus of "Rude" w/ footage of Ferguson police department yet

why the hell would someone do that

"the zeitgeist"

anyway, sorry for the dumb joke... when I woke up this afternoon my brain had already made the weird connection between Magic! & the police (via The Police), & I got a few guilty lols from the mental image