ILM Top 100 Records - Results - No. 50-36

I'm voting for having a mod delete ALL of these threads if Fred says he'll repost the fucking thing in full so people can actually discuss it beyond one line replies.

In the meanwhile, who else voted for the Manics then?

UNCUT is right, Fred. What a slog.

they're all albums that feature highly on critics list and, at some point, i probably foolishly purchased a handful of them because of that status, e.g. astral weeks. they're album that i should sell but instead i say "oh, let's give that another chance"; i suppose i fear that if i sell them i'll miss out on enjoying their alleged merits.

the reason i think i haven't given them the proper chance is because, well, in most cases, i haven't. the listening has just been so dull that i can't make it through the whole album without either turning it off or allowing myself to be distracted by something else. boring is the perfect word for this set, though i imagine "important" would be another: another way of the saying the same thing as far as i'm concerned.

Also the numbers 1-100 include many total duds, including five in the first 20: 5, 8, 10, 11 and 15.

Of course I'm making assumptions about the content of individual lists which may be wrong. Given that a list of 40 records is pretty arbitary, I tried to be pretty hard on the established canon in order to keep it fresh. Whilst they're very good I'm pretty tired of Electric Ladyland/Revolver/Pet Sounds at the moment, and this kind of record didn't get in mine. That's not to say that would I did was 'right' - in fact my list my look pretty dull to others if it ever sees the light of day. I'm just explaining my comments above.

Incidentally, I've heard all the records on this stretch besides Generation Terrorists and the Joy Division box, and I think that besides Bitches Brew, which I don't get, they range from good (Astral Weeks) to insanely great (Endtroducing, London Calling, "Surfin' Bird" - the one I voted for). A fairly predictable bunch, true, but no complaints from me as to what they sound like.

I think Josh's idea is a good one, showing number of votes and what ranking they got, just to see. You know, if ten people liked an album a lot and gave it 2 or 3 points (something which set my teeth on edge, ranking an album that was one of my 40 favourite with a ranking of 1...it just seems WRONG), well, it would only take two people to come along and give a less well-liked album 20 points each to bump that first album out of the rankings. (By the way, I think the Turbonegro thing was fixed...it showing up at 69 is just too convenient. Heh.)

If web space is a problem, I hereby offer to put up the individual lists of people who want to show off their choices, and then post the URL when it's completed. It doesn't even have to be in the same format: if you want to send me a list with writeups and rationale, then, please feel free. I already said I was going to do it for myself, so I'll open it up to everyone. I'm not going to compile it, but I can certainly reprise fred's list for the curious, with everyone's permission. Let me know.

This sounds judgemental, I realize, and I wasn't referring to ILM'ers specifically. I was thinking more of a man-on-the-street type of question. I realize people put more thought into their lists than that. Just wanted to clarify.

It's a pity it was compiled in a week when I was *very* depressed.

Still, this phase feels like a bit of a slog to me.

But why does it *have to* mean something? I don't like the idea of giving more weight to things because they are supposed to be more important or significant at the expense of what people are actually enjoying and listening to the most.

If the list is made up to give people an idea of what ILM posterslike (in general, and not just recently), it still seems somewhat of a cheat to put things in just because they're considered important but haven't been listened to in the past couple of years. This is not an accusation against you Sean, or anyone else btw.

If it is meant to be some sort of canon of what people should be listening to, or the most classic albums of all time, fair enough. I just don't like the idea.

I'll still offer to post the individual lists of those who want it public. I'll even post the lists of those who didn't vote the first time around.

Now for the overall conservatism of the list, I'll wait with a judgement when we get the full list. But I'll say that compared with these sort lists in most American publications or, even worse, Dutch magazines (where for instance Jesus & Mary Chain and even Patti Smith would not stand a chance) the list looks allright.

I'm just very curious if the last 35 entries will go the pop way or the all-out rock classic way, but nothing in the end to lose sleep over ;)

I voted for records I loved. I love more than 40 records, and I don't generally sort through them in this way, so I probably kicked off stuff I didn't think would get on. I never thought about 'importance' once, except, you know, importance to me.

Perhaps we can have separate polls for folks who don't vote in polls [i] on principle, [ii] through sheer laziness, [iii] both.