THIS IS NOT AN EPICS POLL -- classical nomination supplemental thread (ILM Ballot Poll #58)

Someone said to qualify with post-1900, so that. Otherwise, similar rules apply:

• no medleys
• if split into multiple tracks, then if the track names have some continuity (e.g. "Barf butt part 1", "Barf butt part 2" ... "Barf butt part 12"), and the transitions between the tracks are seamless, the entire piece can qualify as a single track (pending review)
• if there are some recordings that don't meet the 10-minute minimum rule but others that do, it's up to you to specify the 10+ minute version

Main thread: THIS IS NOT AN EPICS POLL: The 10+ minute long nominations thread, ILM Ballot Poll #58

Someone said to qualify with post-1900

clearly another supplemental poll for pre-1900 is necessary, then

Morton Feldman - For Philip Guston
Morton Feldman - Crippled Symmetry
Morton Feldman - Rothko Chapel

clearly another supplemental poll for pre-1900 is necessary, then

THIS IS NOT AN EPICS POLL -- classical nomination supplemental thread -- PRE-1900 SUB-SUPPLEMENTAL DBAGGERY(ILM Ballot Poll #58)

I've added Arvo Part's "Spiegel Im Spiegel" back in preemptively.

berio - visage
kagel - exotica
ligeti - volumina
stockhausen - hymnen
cage - roaratorio
cage/hiller - hpschd
reich - it's gonna rain
birtwistle - chronometer
roberto gerhard - collages
messiaen - quartet for the end of time

freebird

*raises lighter*

(disclaimer for my list: superficial classical listener)

messiaen - quartet for the end of time

I don't think this passes Lee's second rule:

if split into multiple tracks, then if the track names have some continuity (e.g. "Barf butt part 1", "Barf butt part 2" ... "Barf butt part 12"), and the transitions between the tracks are seamless, the entire piece can qualify as a single track

IIRC it has separate, distinct movements with their own names and pauses between them.

Copland - In The Beginning
Martin - Mass for Double Choir
Howells - Requiem
Howells - Take Him, Earth, For Cherishing
Britten - Hymn to Saint Cecilia
Britten - War Requiem
Britten - Rejoice in the Lamb
Britten - A Ceremony of Carols
Bernstein - Chichester Psalms

xpost: think you're right, so... terry riley - persian surgery dervishes (performance 2)

Dan, as much as I love Britten, I fear most of those won't pass the "one continous piece, no pauses between parts" rule either.

Can people also include the composer's first name? I don't know Benjamin Britten from Benjamin Button.

Luciano Berio - Sinfonia, Part III: In ruhig fliessender Bewegung

Steve Reich - Music For A Large Ensemble

Igor Stravinsky - The Rite of Spring, Part 1: The Adoration of the Earth
Mira Calix - Nunu

Luigi Nono - Non Consumiamo Marx

Krzysztof Penderecki - Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima

Shostakovich - "Allegro (The 9th of January)" from Symphony No.11, "The Year 1905"

Pierre Boulez - Répons

George Benjamin - Antara

Karlheinz Stockhausen - Kontakte (version for piano, percussion and 4-track tape)

Aaron Copland
Frank Martin
Herbert Howells
Benjamin Britten

rules that explicitly exclude the requiem form are silly

also all of these are one continuous piece:

Copland - In The Beginning
Howells - Take Him, Earth, For Cherishing
Britten - Hymn to Saint Cecilia
Britten - Rejoice in the Lamb

George Benjamin - Antara

Hey, I didn't make up the rules, I just enforce them.

Olivier Messiaen - IV. "Combat de Mort et de la Vie" (from 'Les Corps glorieux')
Olivier Messiaen - 6. "Jardin du sommeil d'amour (très modéré, très tendre)" from Turangalîla-Symphonie
Olivier Messiaen - VII. "Bryce Canyon et les rochers rouge-orange" (from 'Des canyons aux étoiles…')

was that a bad copy & paste re Antara, Leee?

oops yeah, that was in reply to DJP.

Toru Takemitsu - November Steps
Toru Takemitsu - Kwaidan suite
Iancu Dumitrescu - Medium III
Glenn Branca - Symphony No.6 (Fifth Movement)
Philip Glass - Music In 12 Parts
Bela Bartok - The Miraculous Mandarin
Edgard Varèse - Déserts
Iannis Xenakis - La Légende d'Eer
Iannis Xenakis - Jonchaies

OK, good

Witold Lutosławski - Symphony No.3

(that's 10/10, I'm out)

Lou Harrison - Pacifika Rondo

Samuel Barber - Adagio for Strings (I can provide links to 10+ minute performances)

alfredo casella - a notte alta
harry partch - and on the seventh day petals fell on petaluma
karol szymanowski - violin concerto no. 2
bela bartok - violin concerto no. 2 (1st mvt if necessary)
otto luening - fugue and chorale fantasy with electronic doubles for organ and tape
igor stravinsky - les noces

djp: as long as they're not conducted by maximianno cobra. :)

Morton Feldman: Piano & String Quartet (1985)

Sofia Gubaidulina - The Canticle of the Sun
Arvo Pärt - Stabat mater
Barton McLean - Himalayan Fantasy
Natasha Barrett - Trade Winds
John Tavener - Towards Silence
Lili Boulanger - D'un soir triste
Francis Poulenc - Concerto for organ, strings & timpani in G minor
Elodie Lauten - Gusty Winds May Exist
Sofia Gubaidulina - In Erwartung
Benjamin Britten - Canticle II: Abraham and Isaac

Reich - Tehillim
Reich - Music For 18 Musicians
Stockhausen - Stimmung
Andriessen - Hoketus
Andriessen - De Staat

Steve Reich, "Different Trains"
Steve Reich, "Double Sextet"
Steve Reich, "Electric Counterpoint"
Steve Reich, "Sextet"
Philip Glass, Koyaanisqatsi
Philip Glass, "String Quartet No. 3 (Mishima)"
Philip Glass, "String Quartet No. 4 (Buczak)"
Philip Glass, "String Quartet No. 5"

Reich - Tehillim
Reich - Music For 18 Musicians
Stockhausen - Stimmung
Andriessen - Hoketus
Andriessen - De Staat

All nominated already!

Really? Search of both threads says no.

Doh, you're right. Anyway, they're on the master list.

I blame the DST switch.

Steve Reich, "Different Trains"
Steve Reich, "Double Sextet"
Steve Reich, "Electric Counterpoint"
Steve Reich, "Sextet"
Philip Glass, Koyaanisqatsi
Philip Glass, "String Quartet No. 3 (Mishima)"
Philip Glass, "String Quartet No. 4 (Buczak)"
Philip Glass, "String Quartet No. 5"

Do all of these really consist of only one seamless track?

No. Sorry, I didn't realize that was a prerequisite. I don't think any of the Glass pieces qualify, and neither does Reich's "Different Trains." Not sure about the other Reich pieces. (I've also posted about this on the other thread.)

Sibelius - Tapiola
Sibelius - Pohjola's Daughter
Debussy - Jeux
Delius - Eventyr
Delius - Song of the High Hills
Holst - Egdon Heath
Enescu - Vox Maris
Stravinsky - Renard
Stravinsky - Agon
Koechlin - Le Buisson Ardent
Britten - Phaedra
Vaughan Williams - Tallis Fantasia
Shostakovich - The Execution Of Stepan Razin

No. Sorry, I didn't realize that was a prerequisite.

It says so in Lee's initial post:

if split into multiple tracks, then if the track names have some continuity (e.g. "Barf butt part 1", "Barf butt part 2" ... "Barf butt part 12"), and the transitions between the tracks are seamless, the entire piece can qualify as a single track

Since Lee decided to accept classical music after all, I think a rule like this makes sense. After all, symphonies are technically one composition too, but they usually consist of movements which have invididual identities of their own (and which may have been composed separately, or sometimes even borrowed from earlier compositions). To take the most famous example, Beethoven's 9th is undoubtedly a single composition, but the various movements are also fairly distinct from each other, and the final movement (Ode to Joy) particularly has taken a life of its own, to the point it has become the official anthem of the EU. Compare that to something like "Boléro", which clearly is just one singular "song", repeating the same themes over and over for its whole duration.

I'd have no problem with a sidepoll for symphonies and other multi-movement classical pieces, but I don't feel they're comparable to "epic" tracks in Western pop music, whereas something like Bolero is. (I even nominated an electronic disco version of it myself.)

if we're doing sibelius let's do his seventh symphony (it's all one movement).

I'll come up with a list by tomorrow night.

Xpost yeah I didn't nom the seventh because some recordings track it into sections (seamlessly) but it really should be here. In fact

Sibelius - The Oceanides

And!!!

Xenakis - Persephassa

Yes, understood, Tuomas. I think I'd read "transitions are seamless" but hadn't realized it meant literally that there was no silence between tracks. My bad.

If that's the case, though, I'm not sure about the nominations for Bartok's "The Miraculous Mandarin," Britten's "Ceremony of Carols," Fahey's "Reqiuem for Molly," Harrison's "Pacifika Rondo," Howells's "Reqiuem," etc. etc.

(Based on the versions I've heard on Spotify, these are not "seamless" compositions.)

This requirement is stupid and fundamentally misunderstands the basic compositional tenets of large swathes of "classical" music. By this logic, any motet with multiple movements (such as the six Bach motets or Brahams' "Warum ist das Licht gegegben die Muehseligen?") is ineligible despite them being complete pieces intended to be performed as a single unit. It's analogous to vetoing a song because there's a pause between its A and B section.

C'mon this entire poll idea is completely arbitrary

i'm voting for barf butt part 12, i don't care what the rules are

It is silly and arbitrary but without that stricture the pool becomes "all non-miniaturist non-lieder classical music of the 20c" at which point we might as well do a wide open classical poll-- something I would post and file vehemently in but which needs more preparation surely

C'mon this entire poll idea is completely arbitrary

This is the most OTM thing you've posted in a while.

This requirement is stupid and fundamentally misunderstands the basic compositional tenets of large swathes of "classical" music.

Pretty much!

i'm voting for barf butt part 12, i don't care what the rules are

GOD DAMMIT read the rules, part 12 is totally eligible, I wonder sometimes, man.

listen i don't care about the rules, i'm voting for it and no one can stop me!

I'm gonna vote for some songs I like is what I'm gonna do.

YOU GUYS ARE PROVING SHAKEY RIGHT NOOOOOO.

James Erber - Strange Moments of Intimacy

Luigi Nono: Ricorda cosa ti hanno fatto in Auschwitz

2/10

More later..

Ian Willcock - A Book of Maps

Kagel - Staatstheater

Richard Barrett - Interference

5/10

More tomorrow - bet you all can't wait..

Someone gonna nominate Lachenmann at all?

Lol I didn't realize we could only nom 10 pcs bc I wasn't reading the other thread. With that in mind I have to reduce my list. Thus:

Sibelius - Tapiola
Debussy - Jeux
Delius - Song of the High Hills
Holst - Egdon Heath
Stravinsky - Agon
Koechlin - Le Buisson Ardent
Shostakovich - The Execution Of Stepan Razin
Xenakis - Persephassa
Messiaen - Chronochromie
George Crumb - An Idyll For The Misbegotten

There has been a lot of Feldman nominated itt but not the one I wanted to pick, smh at y'all

So which ones did you remove?

Is this right?

+
Xenakis - Persephassa
Messiaen - Chronochromie
George Crumb - An Idyll For The Misbegotten

-
Jean Sibelius - Pohjola's Daughter
Delius - Eventyr
Enescu - Vox Maris
Stravinsky - Renard
Britten - Phaedra
Vaughan Williams - Tallis Fantasia

Yessir

Franz Schubert - String Quartet no 14 in D Minor First Movement - Allegro

Sorry, post-1900 only.

You could sneak that in via George crumb, xelab but the work where he quotes it is not in one continuous mvmt so might not qualify

fair enough

giacinto scelsi: aion
giacinto scelsi: konx-om-pax
giacinto scelsi: anahit
giacinto scelsi: uaxuctum
giacinto scelsi: hurqualia
giacinto scelsi: chukrum
giacinto scelsi: hymnos

STILL NOT AN EPICS POLL - VOTING THREAD, ENDS MARCH 28