Someone said to qualify with post-1900, so that. Otherwise, similar rules apply:
Main thread: THIS IS NOT AN EPICS POLL: The 10+ minute long nominations thread, ILM Ballot Poll #58
― Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:16 (nine years ago) link
Someone said to qualify with post-1900
clearly another supplemental poll for pre-1900 is necessary, then
― example (crüt), Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:20 (nine years ago) link
Morton Feldman - For Philip GustonMorton Feldman - Crippled SymmetryMorton Feldman - Rothko Chapel
― example (crüt), Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:22 (nine years ago) link
THIS IS NOT AN EPICS POLL -- classical nomination supplemental thread -- PRE-1900 SUB-SUPPLEMENTAL DBAGGERY(ILM Ballot Poll #58)
― Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:30 (nine years ago) link
I've added Arvo Part's "Spiegel Im Spiegel" back in preemptively.
― Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link
berio - visagekagel - exoticaligeti - voluminastockhausen - hymnencage - roaratoriocage/hiller - hpschdreich - it's gonna rainbirtwistle - chronometerroberto gerhard - collagesmessiaen - quartet for the end of time
― no lime tangier, Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:47 (nine years ago) link
freebird
― Luis Brañuel - Bell de Jour (wins), Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:53 (nine years ago) link
*raises lighter*
(disclaimer for my list: superficial classical listener)
― no lime tangier, Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:56 (nine years ago) link
messiaen - quartet for the end of time
I don't think this passes Lee's second rule:
if split into multiple tracks, then if the track names have some continuity (e.g. "Barf butt part 1", "Barf butt part 2" ... "Barf butt part 12"), and the transitions between the tracks are seamless, the entire piece can qualify as a single track
IIRC it has separate, distinct movements with their own names and pauses between them.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:58 (nine years ago) link
Copland - In The BeginningMartin - Mass for Double ChoirHowells - RequiemHowells - Take Him, Earth, For CherishingBritten - Hymn to Saint CeciliaBritten - War RequiemBritten - Rejoice in the LambBritten - A Ceremony of CarolsBernstein - Chichester Psalms
― DJP, Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:58 (nine years ago) link
xpost: think you're right, so... terry riley - persian surgery dervishes (performance 2)
― no lime tangier, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:00 (nine years ago) link
Dan, as much as I love Britten, I fear most of those won't pass the "one continous piece, no pauses between parts" rule either.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:05 (nine years ago) link
Can people also include the composer's first name? I don't know Benjamin Britten from Benjamin Button.
― Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:06 (nine years ago) link
Luciano Berio - Sinfonia, Part III: In ruhig fliessender Bewegung
― Jeff W, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:09 (nine years ago) link
Steve Reich - Music For A Large Ensemble
― Jeff W, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:10 (nine years ago) link
Igor Stravinsky - The Rite of Spring, Part 1: The Adoration of the EarthMira Calix - Nunu
― Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:11 (nine years ago) link
Luigi Nono - Non Consumiamo Marx
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:12 (nine years ago) link
Krzysztof Penderecki - Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:14 (nine years ago) link
Shostakovich - "Allegro (The 9th of January)" from Symphony No.11, "The Year 1905"
― Jeff W, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:17 (nine years ago) link
Pierre Boulez - Répons
― Jeff W, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:25 (nine years ago) link
George Benjamin - Antara
Karlheinz Stockhausen - Kontakte (version for piano, percussion and 4-track tape)
― Jeff W, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:28 (nine years ago) link
Aaron CoplandFrank MartinHerbert HowellsBenjamin Britten
rules that explicitly exclude the requiem form are silly
― DJP, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:32 (nine years ago) link
also all of these are one continuous piece:
Copland - In The BeginningHowells - Take Him, Earth, For CherishingBritten - Hymn to Saint CeciliaBritten - Rejoice in the Lamb
― DJP, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:35 (nine years ago) link
Hey, I didn't make up the rules, I just enforce them.
― Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:38 (nine years ago) link
Olivier Messiaen - IV. "Combat de Mort et de la Vie" (from 'Les Corps glorieux')Olivier Messiaen - 6. "Jardin du sommeil d'amour (très modéré, très tendre)" from Turangalîla-SymphonieOlivier Messiaen - VII. "Bryce Canyon et les rochers rouge-orange" (from 'Des canyons aux étoiles…')
― Jeff W, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:47 (nine years ago) link
was that a bad copy & paste re Antara, Leee?
― Jeff W, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:48 (nine years ago) link
oops yeah, that was in reply to DJP.
― Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:50 (nine years ago) link
Toru Takemitsu - November StepsToru Takemitsu - Kwaidan suiteIancu Dumitrescu - Medium IIIGlenn Branca - Symphony No.6 (Fifth Movement)Philip Glass - Music In 12 PartsBela Bartok - The Miraculous MandarinEdgard Varèse - DésertsIannis Xenakis - La Légende d'EerIannis Xenakis - Jonchaies
― めんどくさかった (Matt #2), Thursday, 5 March 2015 21:00 (nine years ago) link
OK, good
Witold Lutosławski - Symphony No.3
(that's 10/10, I'm out)
― Jeff W, Thursday, 5 March 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
Lou Harrison - Pacifika Rondo
― めんどくさかった (Matt #2), Thursday, 5 March 2015 21:04 (nine years ago) link
Samuel Barber - Adagio for Strings (I can provide links to 10+ minute performances)
― DJP, Thursday, 5 March 2015 21:05 (nine years ago) link
alfredo casella - a notte altaharry partch - and on the seventh day petals fell on petalumakarol szymanowski - violin concerto no. 2bela bartok - violin concerto no. 2 (1st mvt if necessary)otto luening - fugue and chorale fantasy with electronic doubles for organ and tapeigor stravinsky - les noces
― rushomancy, Thursday, 5 March 2015 21:10 (nine years ago) link
djp: as long as they're not conducted by maximianno cobra. :)
― rushomancy, Thursday, 5 March 2015 21:11 (nine years ago) link
Morton Feldman: Piano & String Quartet (1985)
― WilliamC, Thursday, 5 March 2015 21:36 (nine years ago) link
Sofia Gubaidulina - The Canticle of the SunArvo Pärt - Stabat materBarton McLean - Himalayan FantasyNatasha Barrett - Trade WindsJohn Tavener - Towards SilenceLili Boulanger - D'un soir tristeFrancis Poulenc - Concerto for organ, strings & timpani in G minorElodie Lauten - Gusty Winds May ExistSofia Gubaidulina - In ErwartungBenjamin Britten - Canticle II: Abraham and Isaac
― Tuomas, Thursday, 5 March 2015 22:09 (nine years ago) link
Reich - TehillimReich - Music For 18 MusiciansStockhausen - StimmungAndriessen - HoketusAndriessen - De Staat
― J. Sam, Friday, 6 March 2015 01:43 (nine years ago) link
Steve Reich, "Different Trains"Steve Reich, "Double Sextet"Steve Reich, "Electric Counterpoint"Steve Reich, "Sextet"Philip Glass, KoyaanisqatsiPhilip Glass, "String Quartet No. 3 (Mishima)"Philip Glass, "String Quartet No. 4 (Buczak)"Philip Glass, "String Quartet No. 5"
― jaymc, Monday, 9 March 2015 18:31 (nine years ago) link
All nominated already!
― Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Monday, 9 March 2015 18:36 (nine years ago) link
Really? Search of both threads says no.
― WilliamC, Monday, 9 March 2015 18:49 (nine years ago) link
Doh, you're right. Anyway, they're on the master list.
― Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Monday, 9 March 2015 18:54 (nine years ago) link
I blame the DST switch.
― Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Monday, 9 March 2015 19:40 (nine years ago) link
Do all of these really consist of only one seamless track?
― Tuomas, Monday, 9 March 2015 20:01 (nine years ago) link
No. Sorry, I didn't realize that was a prerequisite. I don't think any of the Glass pieces qualify, and neither does Reich's "Different Trains." Not sure about the other Reich pieces. (I've also posted about this on the other thread.)
― jaymc, Thursday, 12 March 2015 02:34 (nine years ago) link
Sibelius - TapiolaSibelius - Pohjola's DaughterDebussy - JeuxDelius - EventyrDelius - Song of the High HillsHolst - Egdon HeathEnescu - Vox MarisStravinsky - RenardStravinsky - AgonKoechlin - Le Buisson ArdentBritten - PhaedraVaughan Williams - Tallis FantasiaShostakovich - The Execution Of Stepan Razin
― a date with density (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 12 March 2015 05:20 (nine years ago) link
No. Sorry, I didn't realize that was a prerequisite.
It says so in Lee's initial post:
Since Lee decided to accept classical music after all, I think a rule like this makes sense. After all, symphonies are technically one composition too, but they usually consist of movements which have invididual identities of their own (and which may have been composed separately, or sometimes even borrowed from earlier compositions). To take the most famous example, Beethoven's 9th is undoubtedly a single composition, but the various movements are also fairly distinct from each other, and the final movement (Ode to Joy) particularly has taken a life of its own, to the point it has become the official anthem of the EU. Compare that to something like "Boléro", which clearly is just one singular "song", repeating the same themes over and over for its whole duration.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 12 March 2015 08:02 (nine years ago) link
I'd have no problem with a sidepoll for symphonies and other multi-movement classical pieces, but I don't feel they're comparable to "epic" tracks in Western pop music, whereas something like Bolero is. (I even nominated an electronic disco version of it myself.)
― Tuomas, Thursday, 12 March 2015 08:06 (nine years ago) link
if we're doing sibelius let's do his seventh symphony (it's all one movement).
― rushomancy, Thursday, 12 March 2015 11:09 (nine years ago) link
I'll come up with a list by tomorrow night.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 12 March 2015 11:30 (nine years ago) link
Xpost yeah I didn't nom the seventh because some recordings track it into sections (seamlessly) but it really should be here. In fact
Sibelius - The Oceanides
And!!!
Xenakis - Persephassa
― a date with density (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 12 March 2015 12:25 (nine years ago) link
Yes, understood, Tuomas. I think I'd read "transitions are seamless" but hadn't realized it meant literally that there was no silence between tracks. My bad.
― jaymc, Thursday, 12 March 2015 13:06 (nine years ago) link
If that's the case, though, I'm not sure about the nominations for Bartok's "The Miraculous Mandarin," Britten's "Ceremony of Carols," Fahey's "Reqiuem for Molly," Harrison's "Pacifika Rondo," Howells's "Reqiuem," etc. etc.
― jaymc, Thursday, 12 March 2015 16:09 (nine years ago) link
(Based on the versions I've heard on Spotify, these are not "seamless" compositions.)
― jaymc, Thursday, 12 March 2015 16:12 (nine years ago) link
This requirement is stupid and fundamentally misunderstands the basic compositional tenets of large swathes of "classical" music. By this logic, any motet with multiple movements (such as the six Bach motets or Brahams' "Warum ist das Licht gegegben die Muehseligen?") is ineligible despite them being complete pieces intended to be performed as a single unit. It's analogous to vetoing a song because there's a pause between its A and B section.
― DJP, Thursday, 12 March 2015 16:39 (nine years ago) link
C'mon this entire poll idea is completely arbitrary
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 March 2015 16:40 (nine years ago) link
i'm voting for barf butt part 12, i don't care what the rules are
― who is dankey kang (Karl Malone), Thursday, 12 March 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link
It is silly and arbitrary but without that stricture the pool becomes "all non-miniaturist non-lieder classical music of the 20c" at which point we might as well do a wide open classical poll-- something I would post and file vehemently in but which needs more preparation surely
― a date with density (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 12 March 2015 16:47 (nine years ago) link
This is the most OTM thing you've posted in a while.
― Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Thursday, 12 March 2015 17:38 (nine years ago) link
This requirement is stupid and fundamentally misunderstands the basic compositional tenets of large swathes of "classical" music.
Pretty much!
GOD DAMMIT read the rules, part 12 is totally eligible, I wonder sometimes, man.
― Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Thursday, 12 March 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link
listen i don't care about the rules, i'm voting for it and no one can stop me!
― who is dankey kang (Karl Malone), Thursday, 12 March 2015 17:45 (nine years ago) link
I'm gonna vote for some songs I like is what I'm gonna do.
― Steph def def (Spottie), Thursday, 12 March 2015 17:49 (nine years ago) link
YOU GUYS ARE PROVING SHAKEY RIGHT NOOOOOO.
― Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Thursday, 12 March 2015 18:02 (nine years ago) link
James Erber - Strange Moments of Intimacy
Luigi Nono: Ricorda cosa ti hanno fatto in Auschwitz
2/10
More later..
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 13 March 2015 20:00 (nine years ago) link
Ian Willcock - A Book of Maps
Kagel - Staatstheater
Richard Barrett - Interference
5/10
More tomorrow - bet you all can't wait..
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 13 March 2015 20:31 (nine years ago) link
Someone gonna nominate Lachenmann at all?
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 13 March 2015 20:45 (nine years ago) link
Lol I didn't realize we could only nom 10 pcs bc I wasn't reading the other thread. With that in mind I have to reduce my list. Thus:
Sibelius - TapiolaDebussy - JeuxDelius - Song of the High HillsHolst - Egdon HeathStravinsky - AgonKoechlin - Le Buisson ArdentShostakovich - The Execution Of Stepan RazinXenakis - PersephassaMessiaen - ChronochromieGeorge Crumb - An Idyll For The Misbegotten
There has been a lot of Feldman nominated itt but not the one I wanted to pick, smh at y'all
― a date with density (Jon Lewis), Friday, 13 March 2015 22:25 (nine years ago) link
So which ones did you remove?
― Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Friday, 13 March 2015 22:38 (nine years ago) link
Is this right?
+Xenakis - PersephassaMessiaen - ChronochromieGeorge Crumb - An Idyll For The Misbegotten
-Jean Sibelius - Pohjola's DaughterDelius - EventyrEnescu - Vox MarisStravinsky - RenardBritten - PhaedraVaughan Williams - Tallis Fantasia
― Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Friday, 13 March 2015 22:53 (nine years ago) link
Yessir
― a date with density (Jon Lewis), Friday, 13 March 2015 22:58 (nine years ago) link
Franz Schubert - String Quartet no 14 in D Minor First Movement - Allegro
― xelab, Friday, 13 March 2015 23:02 (nine years ago) link
Sorry, post-1900 only.
― Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Friday, 13 March 2015 23:17 (nine years ago) link
You could sneak that in via George crumb, xelab but the work where he quotes it is not in one continuous mvmt so might not qualify
― a date with density (Jon Lewis), Friday, 13 March 2015 23:26 (nine years ago) link
fair enough
― xelab, Friday, 13 March 2015 23:35 (nine years ago) link
giacinto scelsi: aiongiacinto scelsi: konx-om-paxgiacinto scelsi: anahitgiacinto scelsi: uaxuctumgiacinto scelsi: hurqualiagiacinto scelsi: chukrumgiacinto scelsi: hymnos
― massaman gai, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:37 (nine years ago) link
STILL NOT AN EPICS POLL - VOTING THREAD, ENDS MARCH 28
― Common Street Screwers (Leee), Sunday, 15 March 2015 21:50 (nine years ago) link