THIS IS NOT AN EPICS POLL -- classical nomination supplemental thread (ILM Ballot Poll #58)

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Someone said to qualify with post-1900, so that. Otherwise, similar rules apply:

  • no medleys
  • if split into multiple tracks, then if the track names have some continuity (e.g. "Barf butt part 1", "Barf butt part 2" ... "Barf butt part 12"), and the transitions between the tracks are seamless, the entire piece can qualify as a single track (pending review)
  • if there are some recordings that don't meet the 10-minute minimum rule but others that do, it's up to you to specify the 10+ minute version
You can nominate up to 10 pieces, which won't count against the 20-nomination limit in the main thread. If I explicitly ruled against it already, please remind me in this thread so that I can reinstate it.

Main thread: THIS IS NOT AN EPICS POLL: The 10+ minute long nominations thread, ILM Ballot Poll #58

Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:16 (nine years ago) link

Someone said to qualify with post-1900

clearly another supplemental poll for pre-1900 is necessary, then

example (crüt), Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:20 (nine years ago) link

Morton Feldman - For Philip Guston
Morton Feldman - Crippled Symmetry
Morton Feldman - Rothko Chapel

example (crüt), Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:22 (nine years ago) link

I've added Arvo Part's "Spiegel Im Spiegel" back in preemptively.

Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link

berio - visage
kagel - exotica
ligeti - volumina
stockhausen - hymnen
cage - roaratorio
cage/hiller - hpschd
reich - it's gonna rain
birtwistle - chronometer
roberto gerhard - collages
messiaen - quartet for the end of time

no lime tangier, Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:47 (nine years ago) link

freebird

Luis Brañuel - Bell de Jour (wins), Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:53 (nine years ago) link

*raises lighter*

(disclaimer for my list: superficial classical listener)

no lime tangier, Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:56 (nine years ago) link

messiaen - quartet for the end of time

I don't think this passes Lee's second rule:

if split into multiple tracks, then if the track names have some continuity (e.g. "Barf butt part 1", "Barf butt part 2" ... "Barf butt part 12"), and the transitions between the tracks are seamless, the entire piece can qualify as a single track

IIRC it has separate, distinct movements with their own names and pauses between them.

Tuomas, Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:58 (nine years ago) link

Copland - In The Beginning
Martin - Mass for Double Choir
Howells - Requiem
Howells - Take Him, Earth, For Cherishing
Britten - Hymn to Saint Cecilia
Britten - War Requiem
Britten - Rejoice in the Lamb
Britten - A Ceremony of Carols
Bernstein - Chichester Psalms

DJP, Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:58 (nine years ago) link

xpost: think you're right, so... terry riley - persian surgery dervishes (performance 2)

no lime tangier, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:00 (nine years ago) link

Dan, as much as I love Britten, I fear most of those won't pass the "one continous piece, no pauses between parts" rule either.

Tuomas, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:05 (nine years ago) link

Can people also include the composer's first name? I don't know Benjamin Britten from Benjamin Button.

Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:06 (nine years ago) link

Luciano Berio - Sinfonia, Part III: In ruhig fliessender Bewegung

Jeff W, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:09 (nine years ago) link

Steve Reich - Music For A Large Ensemble

Jeff W, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:10 (nine years ago) link

Igor Stravinsky - The Rite of Spring, Part 1: The Adoration of the Earth
Mira Calix - Nunu

Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:11 (nine years ago) link

Luigi Nono - Non Consumiamo Marx

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:12 (nine years ago) link

Krzysztof Penderecki - Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:14 (nine years ago) link

Shostakovich - "Allegro (The 9th of January)" from Symphony No.11, "The Year 1905"

Jeff W, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:17 (nine years ago) link

Pierre Boulez - Répons

Jeff W, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:25 (nine years ago) link

George Benjamin - Antara

Jeff W, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:25 (nine years ago) link

Karlheinz Stockhausen - Kontakte (version for piano, percussion and 4-track tape)

Jeff W, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:28 (nine years ago) link

Aaron Copland
Frank Martin
Herbert Howells
Benjamin Britten

rules that explicitly exclude the requiem form are silly

DJP, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:32 (nine years ago) link

also all of these are one continuous piece:

Copland - In The Beginning
Howells - Take Him, Earth, For Cherishing
Britten - Hymn to Saint Cecilia
Britten - Rejoice in the Lamb

DJP, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:35 (nine years ago) link

George Benjamin - Antara

Hey, I didn't make up the rules, I just enforce them.

Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:38 (nine years ago) link

Olivier Messiaen - IV. "Combat de Mort et de la Vie" (from 'Les Corps glorieux')
Olivier Messiaen - 6. "Jardin du sommeil d'amour (très modéré, très tendre)" from Turangalîla-Symphonie
Olivier Messiaen - VII. "Bryce Canyon et les rochers rouge-orange" (from 'Des canyons aux étoiles…')

Jeff W, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:47 (nine years ago) link

was that a bad copy & paste re Antara, Leee?

Jeff W, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:48 (nine years ago) link

oops yeah, that was in reply to DJP.

Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:50 (nine years ago) link

Toru Takemitsu - November Steps
Toru Takemitsu - Kwaidan suite
Iancu Dumitrescu - Medium III
Glenn Branca - Symphony No.6 (Fifth Movement)
Philip Glass - Music In 12 Parts
Bela Bartok - The Miraculous Mandarin
Edgard Varèse - Déserts
Iannis Xenakis - La Légende d'Eer
Iannis Xenakis - Jonchaies

めんどくさかった (Matt #2), Thursday, 5 March 2015 21:00 (nine years ago) link

OK, good

Witold Lutosławski - Symphony No.3

(that's 10/10, I'm out)

Jeff W, Thursday, 5 March 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link

Lou Harrison - Pacifika Rondo

めんどくさかった (Matt #2), Thursday, 5 March 2015 21:04 (nine years ago) link

Samuel Barber - Adagio for Strings (I can provide links to 10+ minute performances)

DJP, Thursday, 5 March 2015 21:05 (nine years ago) link

alfredo casella - a notte alta
harry partch - and on the seventh day petals fell on petaluma
karol szymanowski - violin concerto no. 2
bela bartok - violin concerto no. 2 (1st mvt if necessary)
otto luening - fugue and chorale fantasy with electronic doubles for organ and tape
igor stravinsky - les noces

rushomancy, Thursday, 5 March 2015 21:10 (nine years ago) link

djp: as long as they're not conducted by maximianno cobra. :)

rushomancy, Thursday, 5 March 2015 21:11 (nine years ago) link

Morton Feldman: Piano & String Quartet (1985)

WilliamC, Thursday, 5 March 2015 21:36 (nine years ago) link

Sofia Gubaidulina - The Canticle of the Sun
Arvo Pärt - Stabat mater
Barton McLean - Himalayan Fantasy
Natasha Barrett - Trade Winds
John Tavener - Towards Silence
Lili Boulanger - D'un soir triste
Francis Poulenc - Concerto for organ, strings & timpani in G minor
Elodie Lauten - Gusty Winds May Exist
Sofia Gubaidulina - In Erwartung
Benjamin Britten - Canticle II: Abraham and Isaac

Tuomas, Thursday, 5 March 2015 22:09 (nine years ago) link

Reich - Tehillim
Reich - Music For 18 Musicians
Stockhausen - Stimmung
Andriessen - Hoketus
Andriessen - De Staat

J. Sam, Friday, 6 March 2015 01:43 (nine years ago) link

Steve Reich, "Different Trains"
Steve Reich, "Double Sextet"
Steve Reich, "Electric Counterpoint"
Steve Reich, "Sextet"
Philip Glass, Koyaanisqatsi
Philip Glass, "String Quartet No. 3 (Mishima)"
Philip Glass, "String Quartet No. 4 (Buczak)"
Philip Glass, "String Quartet No. 5"

jaymc, Monday, 9 March 2015 18:31 (nine years ago) link

Reich - Tehillim
Reich - Music For 18 Musicians
Stockhausen - Stimmung
Andriessen - Hoketus
Andriessen - De Staat

All nominated already!

Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Monday, 9 March 2015 18:36 (nine years ago) link

Really? Search of both threads says no.

WilliamC, Monday, 9 March 2015 18:49 (nine years ago) link

Doh, you're right. Anyway, they're on the master list.

Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Monday, 9 March 2015 18:54 (nine years ago) link

I blame the DST switch.

Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Monday, 9 March 2015 19:40 (nine years ago) link

Steve Reich, "Different Trains"
Steve Reich, "Double Sextet"
Steve Reich, "Electric Counterpoint"
Steve Reich, "Sextet"
Philip Glass, Koyaanisqatsi
Philip Glass, "String Quartet No. 3 (Mishima)"
Philip Glass, "String Quartet No. 4 (Buczak)"
Philip Glass, "String Quartet No. 5"

Do all of these really consist of only one seamless track?

Tuomas, Monday, 9 March 2015 20:01 (nine years ago) link

No. Sorry, I didn't realize that was a prerequisite. I don't think any of the Glass pieces qualify, and neither does Reich's "Different Trains." Not sure about the other Reich pieces. (I've also posted about this on the other thread.)

jaymc, Thursday, 12 March 2015 02:34 (nine years ago) link

Sibelius - Tapiola
Sibelius - Pohjola's Daughter
Debussy - Jeux
Delius - Eventyr
Delius - Song of the High Hills
Holst - Egdon Heath
Enescu - Vox Maris
Stravinsky - Renard
Stravinsky - Agon
Koechlin - Le Buisson Ardent
Britten - Phaedra
Vaughan Williams - Tallis Fantasia
Shostakovich - The Execution Of Stepan Razin

a date with density (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 12 March 2015 05:20 (nine years ago) link

No. Sorry, I didn't realize that was a prerequisite.

It says so in Lee's initial post:

if split into multiple tracks, then if the track names have some continuity (e.g. "Barf butt part 1", "Barf butt part 2" ... "Barf butt part 12"), and the transitions between the tracks are seamless, the entire piece can qualify as a single track

Since Lee decided to accept classical music after all, I think a rule like this makes sense. After all, symphonies are technically one composition too, but they usually consist of movements which have invididual identities of their own (and which may have been composed separately, or sometimes even borrowed from earlier compositions). To take the most famous example, Beethoven's 9th is undoubtedly a single composition, but the various movements are also fairly distinct from each other, and the final movement (Ode to Joy) particularly has taken a life of its own, to the point it has become the official anthem of the EU. Compare that to something like "Boléro", which clearly is just one singular "song", repeating the same themes over and over for its whole duration.

Tuomas, Thursday, 12 March 2015 08:02 (nine years ago) link

I'd have no problem with a sidepoll for symphonies and other multi-movement classical pieces, but I don't feel they're comparable to "epic" tracks in Western pop music, whereas something like Bolero is. (I even nominated an electronic disco version of it myself.)

Tuomas, Thursday, 12 March 2015 08:06 (nine years ago) link

if we're doing sibelius let's do his seventh symphony (it's all one movement).

rushomancy, Thursday, 12 March 2015 11:09 (nine years ago) link

I'll come up with a list by tomorrow night.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 12 March 2015 11:30 (nine years ago) link

Xpost yeah I didn't nom the seventh because some recordings track it into sections (seamlessly) but it really should be here. In fact

Sibelius - The Oceanides

And!!!

Xenakis - Persephassa

a date with density (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 12 March 2015 12:25 (nine years ago) link

Yes, understood, Tuomas. I think I'd read "transitions are seamless" but hadn't realized it meant literally that there was no silence between tracks. My bad.

jaymc, Thursday, 12 March 2015 13:06 (nine years ago) link

If that's the case, though, I'm not sure about the nominations for Bartok's "The Miraculous Mandarin," Britten's "Ceremony of Carols," Fahey's "Reqiuem for Molly," Harrison's "Pacifika Rondo," Howells's "Reqiuem," etc. etc.

jaymc, Thursday, 12 March 2015 16:09 (nine years ago) link

(Based on the versions I've heard on Spotify, these are not "seamless" compositions.)

jaymc, Thursday, 12 March 2015 16:12 (nine years ago) link

This requirement is stupid and fundamentally misunderstands the basic compositional tenets of large swathes of "classical" music. By this logic, any motet with multiple movements (such as the six Bach motets or Brahams' "Warum ist das Licht gegegben die Muehseligen?") is ineligible despite them being complete pieces intended to be performed as a single unit. It's analogous to vetoing a song because there's a pause between its A and B section.

DJP, Thursday, 12 March 2015 16:39 (nine years ago) link

C'mon this entire poll idea is completely arbitrary

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 March 2015 16:40 (nine years ago) link

i'm voting for barf butt part 12, i don't care what the rules are

who is dankey kang (Karl Malone), Thursday, 12 March 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link

It is silly and arbitrary but without that stricture the pool becomes "all non-miniaturist non-lieder classical music of the 20c" at which point we might as well do a wide open classical poll-- something I would post and file vehemently in but which needs more preparation surely

a date with density (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 12 March 2015 16:47 (nine years ago) link

C'mon this entire poll idea is completely arbitrary

This is the most OTM thing you've posted in a while.

Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Thursday, 12 March 2015 17:38 (nine years ago) link

This requirement is stupid and fundamentally misunderstands the basic compositional tenets of large swathes of "classical" music.

Pretty much!

Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Thursday, 12 March 2015 17:38 (nine years ago) link

i'm voting for barf butt part 12, i don't care what the rules are

GOD DAMMIT read the rules, part 12 is totally eligible, I wonder sometimes, man.

Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Thursday, 12 March 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link

listen i don't care about the rules, i'm voting for it and no one can stop me!

who is dankey kang (Karl Malone), Thursday, 12 March 2015 17:45 (nine years ago) link

I'm gonna vote for some songs I like is what I'm gonna do.

Steph def def (Spottie), Thursday, 12 March 2015 17:49 (nine years ago) link

YOU GUYS ARE PROVING SHAKEY RIGHT NOOOOOO.

Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Thursday, 12 March 2015 18:02 (nine years ago) link

Ian Willcock - A Book of Maps

Kagel - Staatstheater

Richard Barrett - Interference

5/10

More tomorrow - bet you all can't wait..

xyzzzz__, Friday, 13 March 2015 20:31 (nine years ago) link

Someone gonna nominate Lachenmann at all?

xyzzzz__, Friday, 13 March 2015 20:45 (nine years ago) link

Lol I didn't realize we could only nom 10 pcs bc I wasn't reading the other thread. With that in mind I have to reduce my list. Thus:

Sibelius - Tapiola
Debussy - Jeux
Delius - Song of the High Hills
Holst - Egdon Heath
Stravinsky - Agon
Koechlin - Le Buisson Ardent
Shostakovich - The Execution Of Stepan Razin
Xenakis - Persephassa
Messiaen - Chronochromie
George Crumb - An Idyll For The Misbegotten

There has been a lot of Feldman nominated itt but not the one I wanted to pick, smh at y'all

a date with density (Jon Lewis), Friday, 13 March 2015 22:25 (nine years ago) link

So which ones did you remove?

Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Friday, 13 March 2015 22:38 (nine years ago) link

Is this right?

+
Xenakis - Persephassa
Messiaen - Chronochromie
George Crumb - An Idyll For The Misbegotten

-
Jean Sibelius - Pohjola's Daughter
Delius - Eventyr
Enescu - Vox Maris
Stravinsky - Renard
Britten - Phaedra
Vaughan Williams - Tallis Fantasia

Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Friday, 13 March 2015 22:53 (nine years ago) link

Yessir

a date with density (Jon Lewis), Friday, 13 March 2015 22:58 (nine years ago) link

Franz Schubert - String Quartet no 14 in D Minor First Movement - Allegro

xelab, Friday, 13 March 2015 23:02 (nine years ago) link

Sorry, post-1900 only.

Romo... ROMO! Bring Back Sergio Romo! (Leee), Friday, 13 March 2015 23:17 (nine years ago) link

You could sneak that in via George crumb, xelab but the work where he quotes it is not in one continuous mvmt so might not qualify

a date with density (Jon Lewis), Friday, 13 March 2015 23:26 (nine years ago) link

fair enough

xelab, Friday, 13 March 2015 23:35 (nine years ago) link

giacinto scelsi: aion
giacinto scelsi: konx-om-pax
giacinto scelsi: anahit
giacinto scelsi: uaxuctum
giacinto scelsi: hurqualia
giacinto scelsi: chukrum
giacinto scelsi: hymnos

massaman gai, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:37 (nine years ago) link


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