Courtney Love - Cash Cow or Evil Bitch

No. of Hole songs I listen to regularly: 1

I've nothing against her.

Anyway, unless I'm having you over for dinner (or you're GG Allin), it's your music that matters, and Courtney does just fine on that front - good job in The People vs Larry Flynt as well.

All I will say besides that about Courtney Love is that she's clearly one of the most clever fuckers alive.

She's heinous, narcissitic trash and should be set on fire with all speed.

Tho actually this is only a fair taking-sides if you include Courtney's all-time worst boyfriend, featured at length in K&C: Roz Rozabek..

Oh well.

So much for feminism.

Nicole is right : Courtney cannot help but pale in comparison with the evil that Fred Durst and his admirers represent.

Therefore by logic (and proportion) Fred Durst = ?????????????

At this point I'm indifferent to her. On the one hand I think a lot of the personal attacks are simply dumb jealousy -- whatever. However, a couple of friends of mine have met her and were unimpressed with her personally, and I trust their judgment.

Musically -- she's an admitted goth rocker who borrowed a Bauhaus song for the first album and has covered Echo and the Bunnymen. I don't regularly listen to Hole or Nirvana any more, but I appreciate her background. ;-)

i've always had a fond preference for harum-scarum, possibly because of the eternally intriguing bugs bunny cartoon 'hare-um scarum' which means NOTHING to a six year-old in 1989 and is therefore symbolic of an entire world of bizarre linguistic references. hopefully 'grill- shill' will someday be passed on in the same confusing fashion.

If you can't see how Courtney Love is clever - whether or not you regard her as musically talented or a nice human being - then quite frankly you don't deserve my attention at all.

Fred once told my mom she looked like Courtney Love, which is so not even true. But he thinks I look like Liz Hurley and my sister looks like Katie Holmes so he's rather obviously on crack.

"Sexual revolutionary" = getting thisclose to a sequence of guys that *I* wouldn't touch with *yours*...?

To address the 'double-standard' claim: You can't decry the beautiful people of this world, claiming to be outside of/above the system and railing against it and they surgically transform yourself into a glamorous beutiful person yourself and emerse yourself in it. That is having your cake and eating it too...and a flagrant double-standard. You can't be Lydia Lunch and Charlize Theron at the same time.

Courtney once claimed to represent (as the very embodiment of independent female empowerment) the besitting ugly ducklings of the world, whom she summarily abandoned upon her repugnant makeover. She used to mock the prom queen....now she *IS* the prom queen. The Courtney Love that youthful little punk rock girls once idolized was eaten alive by her own bloated ego and stardom-crazed need for attention.

I wouldn't call La Courtney so much clever as shrewd. And there is a difference.

good karmic blessing on sister bitch. (hahah)

- if she is a whore so is bjork, justine frischmann(?) + every musician i've ever met, male or female + all you journos who bigup the shite for the papez

ive never met her but i doubt shed shag me for all me giro !

x0x0

And tellingly so, with exponentially inflated dollar figures. The riot grrl, kinderwhore Courtney would have identified with the scenario in Albini's essay; in her speech, the Hollywood Courtney -- although the core of that speech still has loads of truth in it -- comes off like Lars Ulrich.

Quite amusing that someone brought up the similarity to Mudhoney's 'Sweet Young Thing Ain't Sweet No More', Nirvana had the same criticism levelled against them for 'Negative Creep' with its "Daddy's little girl ain't a girl no more" refrain.

2. Celebrity Skin had always had a terrible press as far as I'm aware - yet I rather enjoyed it (from the library) and its glossy radio-rock ways. I think this counts as one of those 'guilty pleasures'; or did till I found that Tom E et al liked it too.

3. Still, no way can I rate any of her records over Nevermind - which is too heavy and glossy for me, really, but still melodically outstanding.

I'm posting this because, quite frankly, I don't like this subject at all and I've decided to change it. "Courtney's a whore" is a terrible thing to say.

*And when Billy stopped saying he "wrote" the songs, he insinuated it heavily, acting as if he didn't want to bother getting into a media battle with her. When she was on Stern, she also said he "helped a lot" and gave him quite a bit of credit, said which choruses he wrote and which guitar parts. Knowing Courtney is a superbitch, I'd have to say she probably also held back quite a bit of credit, too. It's funny. She latched onto Kurt, Trent and Billy! Interesting!

I'm sorry, but huh?

Johnny!! Shove your penis in your mouth and shut up!!!

Or is it too small?

Either way, shut up!!

(x post)

Alex, it started on ILE. Don't worry about it. Just keep talking trash about Courtney.

It's a lot better than anything Johnny has to say about anything.

umm, it was xxpost.

So, is your daughter going to play guitar and front a band like Courtney?

That might be what my mom is tring to do for me. Or is it in the image of Clint Conly. It's hard to tell. I have a guitar, not a bass. But Clint also plays guitar. We also have a bass, though.

I don't know whoes image it is. I'm left handed. But it can't be Kurt's because my mom isn't crazy about him. Maybe it is. I've got the Fender. Oh, but not the right kind.

As for Xgau this week:
"Her celebrity on steroids and her voice in shreds, a drug-abusing unfit mother charms, fucks, or buffalos her way into some old-fashioned major-label money, commits commercial compromise on demand, and delivers an album as invigorating in its contempt for rock professionalism as Neil Young's Tonight's the Night. If the little girls barely know who she is, good—a lifestyle irresponsibly seductive in a powerful person like Keith Richards is only pitiably misguided in this has-been waiting to happen. But she's right about one thing. The world does owe her a living."

Contempt for rock professionalism? Ummyeah, if polishing and overbearing ProTools is contempt, then I guess so. And since when does the world owe Love a living? Someone explain that one to me.

This vehement hatred of someone who clearly has problems beyond her control is illogical and quite disturbing.

Her album has a couple of great songs, but overall it is unmemorable. What a waste of resources.

"beyond her control"

Like hell

Hey, man, I'm on your side.

Which ones are those? Name a comparable situation to Courtney's.

This bullshit about making excuses because she's a woman or pretending it's not fair because she's a woman are just that--bullshit. Last I checked, she had sole custody of her daughter. I can't think of one man in popular music who's had that at the height of their fame.

Ozzy's gotten plenty of hell for being an idiot, and maybe if Courtney was a bit more stable she'd get a show on MTV--too bad her 24 hour tryout at MTV was such an embarassment though, huh. But last time I checked, Ozzy was still made of money, still tours his ass off, and manages to keep his ass out of jail. The same can't be said of Love.

why is the vehemence reserved for HER when male rockers have been fucking up the lives of themselves, their significant others and their kids, at the height of their careers for years??!!!

On what planet is Courtney the exception to the fucker-up-rocker rule? You just notice because that's where the spotlight is, and it is there because she is female and loud and rude.

Nuff said, tantrum on.

You don't need to list a tabloid summary.

Start off with even one male in the past ten years. And make sure that the person has sole custody of their kid, while you're at it.

You can't.

Were Courtney 25 years old and childless, her behavior would be passable. But that's not the case. Even worse, she's indignant and lacks any shame for her behavior. Instead, her minions, fans, and id head for the press to play the role of victim.

I feel bad for all the artists on Virgin who will suffer as a result of the money being spent to prop up this artist as she gives the one-finger salute to society.

Yes, there is probably at least some element of her lack of motherhood or femininity that causes ire but it's the same element that she has used over and over again to deliberately agitate. Somehow, other women who use alternative ideals of femininity and parenting manage to not get arrested, not act like whores, not go bankrupt, etc. And if male rockers are not being held to task for their behavior, that's suddenly my fault? Sorry, but I just can't think of a male rocker in Courtney's position that is such an irresponsible single parent. None.

And what's next--I'm a bad guy for taking on the misogyny in rap because rappers FAIL TO LIVE UP TO SOME IDEA OF PARENTHOOD? No, the reason, as I've noted, is because Courtney is a shitty parent, and she's the only parent Frances has. Frances never had a choice--she was born to Courtney and Kurt. Courtney has choices that she is currently pissing into the gutter, and worse, she's choosing to do it in a public manner.

I do find it INTERESTING though that you are lambasting her for being an attention seeker while at the same time you seem to be voraciously devouring every little bit of her schtick you can find. But hey I'm sure that's just cuz your really really concerned about poor little Frances Bean.

I'm no big fan of Courtney, but jesus look at the guys in Motley Crue....ask Razzle from Hanoi Rocks....or that kid that drowned in Tommy Lee's pool....or Pam Anderson after she got hit...or the probably hundreds of women Vince Neil has abused....They've done far worse than Courtney...

guttertripe or not she looks mighty fine on the cover of the latest Blender. I'm just sayin

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And I'm "voraciously devouring" this shit because I linked to an article on the music magazine with the largest circulation in the US? That's a stretch Alex.

Courtney's got so many people snowed over that her victim status is now her calling card. If anyone expects her to be--gasp--responsible for herself and her daughter, we're referred to as a hater or some sort of obsessive that only calls her out on her line of bullshit because she's a female. What a load of self serving shit. I'll never make excuses for having higher expectations of her parental responsibility. Her press cravings would be old news by now if she were 30 years old and single. But she's what, 41?

And yeah, I am concerned about Frances. I'm concerned about Courtney, too. Her lifetime of hedonistic behavior has nearly bankrupt her in every facet of her life, including her daughter. It's a huge tragedy.

1) No male rocker with the negative profile of Love exists. Oh wait they do. Yeah but they got it really bad too. The press raked them over the coals. JUST as bad she did (which is complete garbage, but it's basically unprovable garbage, but you and I and anyone with an ounce of common sense know it's a lie none-the-less.)

2) You aren't voraciously devouring Courtney's all-too-public private life, but you are posting links to magazines, arguing strenously against her lack of suitability as a parent, making generalizations about her "hedonistic behavior" and completely feeding into the myths surrounding her and of course continueing to keep the side show profitable for her, helping keep her name in the news and sell magazines which help sell CDs and so on and so on. And of course you only have a passing familiarity with this, really it was just the ONE link (JUST THE ONE HE SWEARS, HE JUST READ THE ONE.)

So bullshit twice. Anyway I said my piece on Courtney and I'm sick of your lame lame lies.

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/archive/archive/tm_objectid=16444555&method=full&siteid=62484-name_page.html

SONG SALE £70M FOR COURTNEY

ROCK widow Courtney Love will net £70million by selling her late husband Kurt Cobain's songs.

The actress and rock singer is selling a quarter of the Nirvana frontman's back catalogue to disgraced US lifestyle guru Martha Stewart.

Released from jail this year after five months for insider trading, Stewart wants the songs as an investment.

A friend said: "It's an astonishing deal. It sorts out Courtney financially."

Cobain and Courtney, 41, wed in 1992. They had a daughter Frances Bean, now 11, before he killed himself with a gun in April 1994, aged 27.

Cobain rose to fame with songs like Smells Like Teen Spirit and Come As You Are. The album Nevermind sold over 10 million copies.

crack made her good at math

i love this

http://observer.com/2013/04/courtney-loves-e-cig-commercial-relax-its-a-fking-njoy/

<3 awesome

i'm hoping that's what her guest spot on the Fall Out Boy album sounds like too

RELAX IT'S A FUCKING FALL OUT BOY

I don't much keep up with "news" so reviewing some the material up-thread certainly paints a fairly harsh picture (but it would be difficult to argue that money/success did much to change her). "Pretty On The Inside" is the only album i have from her, i still think what she did with that Joni Mitchell cover ("Clouds" tacked onto the end of the title track) seems like about as good a summation of Riot Grrrl/Grunge as i could hope to hear.