Most Overrated Act To Get More Than Two Songs On Pitchfork's Best Songs Of The 80s

artists who had three songs on the list: David Bowie, The Cure, Janet Jackson, Madonna, NWA (if you count Eazy solo), The Pixies, The Smiths

artists with four: michael jackson, new order

artists with five: prince

new order i guess

new order is a very good shout

the clash tho

& shdnt guns & roses have been revised into the fucken trashcan by now (flag posts incoming!!)

the names on this list suggest that hip-hop aside the list is quite boring but that's pitchfork amirite!

oh and i still dng talking heads at all but i sorta mostly trust eno's judgement so *shrug*

i no that i'm the only one that thinks this, but kate bush is one of the most overrated acts in history so i picked her.

*know sorry stoned

50 spots?! Damn. I knew it would've made a difference, but that's a quarter of the results!

Could vote for a few of these, but Slick Rick seems the most eligible candidate for knocking off.

damn replacements are way more overrated should have voted for them i fucked up

kate bush is one of the most overrated acts in history

Kind of agree with you, but I do love Running Up That Hill quite a lot.

Tears For Fears by a million miles.

I didn't really care if Head Over Heels was on the list or not, but Everybody Wants to Rule the World is one of my favorite songs, period. From any decade.

i duno man people dont hold tears for fears in very high regard. they are in that weird middle area where people kind of like them, but they are no one's FAVORITE band. another band like this are psychedelic furs. where as kate bush and replacements people WORSHIP and get tattoos and shit.

ugh joy division

the answer to this poll is u2

I try not to let my feelings about U2 in the 21st century cloud my feelings about them in the 80s, so With or Without You would definitely be on any similar list I made.

I can't say who's most overrated, but purely based on my taste, the one I could most easily do without is Whitney Houston. I've never really been able to appreciate her singing - but I guess it's a straight-line from her to stuff like Celine Dion and American Idol, so clearly she's been influential.

^this

the answer to this poll is u2

― for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Monday, August 24, 2015 8:58 PM

def

croup, you have thought about this list more than anyone on the planet including p4k staff

*flips a coin for Joy Division and U2*

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croup, you have thought about this list more than anyone on the planet including p4k staff

i'm ok with that, still got my work done

I somehow missed U2 in this poll. -1 Fleetwood Mac vote.

so many of these were good but unnecessary, they should have limited to one track per any album to cut down on redundancy

Could vote for a few of these, but Slick Rick seems the most eligible candidate for knocking off.

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terrible opinion

Perhaps. I've just never liked him.

I'd have to say Diana Ross, because we're talking about '80s Diana Ross, which is mostly pretty unspecial.

no use for Guns & Roses apart from Sweet Child 'o Mine, even that one I could have done fine without

Voted 'do we have to do a WORST poll? really? sigh.'

Yeah, moan moan mo.

The Replacements, that's an American thing, don't get it. I have never knowingly heard Frankie Knuckles! Must be better than Guns 'N' Roses though, amirite?

you are most correct

Joy Division, U2 or Springsteen

I don't really know what the Replacements sound like

I'm OK with more than one track per album if only b/c I'd hate for the title track to represent Purple Rain.

Pixies should walk away with this but won't. Voted Cure anyway because no one else will and I have no idea what Cure fanatics are hearing that is so transcendent, but can dig the Pixies at their best.

doesn't Arthur Russell have 2 on the P4K list?

The whole purpose of this thread is to show how anti-rockist you are but I gotta be me. Diana Ross solo sux 4eva

Went with Guns 'N' Roses.

Surprised U2 isn't sweeping this. I thought we were just talking most overrated act, not most overrated eighties catalogue. I like the first three songs on Joshua Tree as much as anyone, but U2 is still definitely the most overrated of these acts.

This is CLEARLY The Replacements.

I mean, I kind of hate Diana Ross and this is STILL The Replacements.

pixies blow imo, fuck that band

new order is okay but there is so much boring worship of that band

Voted Cure

no. no no no.

u2 is the easy answer but i don't particularly enjoy the clash songs that placed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8w7CCq036o

i never really got into whitney houston

One thing that constantly surprises me about millennial's music taste (and the Pitchfork list is definitely written by them, for them) is their total rejection of REM.

It's hard to believe that they only got one song on the entire 80s list, when they were arguably the most influential American rock band of the entire decade.

i don't know if they're rejected per se

sorta fascinating to see what acts ILM hivemind *doesn't* think Pitchfork overrates:

Beastie Boys 3
Prince 3
De La Soul 3
Talking Heads 3
Public Enemy 2
Madonna 2
Michael Jackson 2
Sade 0
Grandmaster Flash 0
Eric B & Rakim 0

but even there THREE people looked at the whole list and said "yes, de la soul, you are the most overrated".

a notable number considering the "hivemind" bile for gnr led to 16 votes, the same number "must we share our bile?" got

two people still have it in for public enemy. and while sade didn't get a vote, i dissed her mid-thread! so really you have to be a commercially underappreciated Best Hip-Hop DJ Ever and a commercially underappreciated Best Hip-Hop MC Ever to get on this thread and not have someone wish you hadn't been popular enough to qualify

not that they weren't "influential"

were they? they were undeniably a big deal, but I'm at a loss for who they influenced

It's funny that there are ilxors who still treat poptimism like it was some kind of passing fad that leads to overrating women of color who make disco imo

Funny-*raises eyebrow* not funny-haha

not sure what your point is? seeing Madonna/MJ/Sade at the bottom of this list made me feel pretty good about ILM's poptimist bonafides

... unless you're eyebrow-raising at the number of Whitney Houston votes? (which could just be from non-fans tired of hearing her name in the news)

they were undeniably a big deal, but I'm at a loss for who they influenced

the manic street preachers

re: gnr "influence" - in the most on-the-nose sense, a lot of admittedly forgotten bands launched between 1988-1992, buckcherry, those kinds of bands. but i feel like you're asking for names of imitators rather than people who were influenced. as if the merits of led zep are defined by david coverdale and kingdom come.

oh yeah, and the manics!

not sure what your point is? seeing Madonna/MJ/Sade at the bottom of this list made me feel pretty good about ILM's poptimist bonafides

just that i think it's more noteworthy that only two acts out of the 30 made it out of this thread unscathed then that three people hate madonna while sixteen people hate gnr

sorry, only two people hate madonna. also 11 people hate whitney, 7 diana ross so i dunno if we can take from this thread that ILX loves pop, hates rock

That this substantial minority felt Diana Ross was most deserving (for "upside down" and "I'm coming out" which are certified classics) suggests they have a similar mentality about who is the worst of the three but it's not like they get more than one vote to divvy up. With Sade I'm guessing ppl are just either huge fans or it's just a blind spot whereas DR is more mainstream--heard more often, sampled by famous rappers, etc

It's esp weird bc my impression is that Diana Ross is one of the most significant influences on Michael Jackson and his presence as a stage performer

+ Nile Rodgers auteur bona fides

And not to bring this up again but Anita baker didn't even make the list so it's not like this was a massive victory for poptimist forces imo

Your (p)optometrist should be able to help you out with that weirdly selective tunnel vision, there, deej.

Oh yeah forgot Whitney who was an even bigger target

xps interesting... so are you saying that the gesture of tearing down "overrated" popular music acts is frequently bound up with rockist assumptions/preconceptions from the word go? there may be something to that

re: gnr "influence" - in the most on-the-nose sense, a lot of admittedly forgotten bands launched between 1988-1992, buckcherry, those kinds of bands.

fair enough I just didn't think there were actually that many of these bands

It really is weird that people only voted for Whitney and Diana, huh. *raises eyebrow*

the question is overrated, not hated. you can like a band and still think the hype is unjustified.
I voted Talking Heads, a band where I'm quite happy with a single disc compilation of their work.

ya I am much more receptive to arguments about New Order or Talking Heads being overrated (even though I love both bands, and would put the Heads in my top-5 all-time) because I have actually *seen* that overrating in practice. not sure which critics/DJs are out there pissing off the italo snobs w/ tireless Diana Ross partisanship, but I would love to meet them!!

the question is overrated, not hated. you can like a band and still think the hype is unjustified.
yeah sorry about that - i actually almost corrected myself. i didn't ask who you "hated" but who least deserved pfork's acclaim.

that said, i still think the most interesting thing about the poll was the reveal of how broad the spread was. almost every act had at least two people who thought they weren't all that.

they were undeniably a big deal, but I'm at a loss for who they influenced

the manic street preachers

Talking of overrated garbage...

I didn't vote (lol I didn't even read the list) and while I don't ever need to hear/read about MJ or Madonna again for the rest of my life, I get how huge they are and their impact is undeniable so their inclusion isn't really unreasonable, whereas GnR being included really is some "you had to be there"/"I was 13 when this album came out" sorta bullshit, there's just no defending them.

xxp

if you can't tell the aural difference between "Paradise City" and "Welcome to the Jungle" and "Talk Dirty to Me" and "House of Pain," then Idk

haha i'm in my mid-30s and i was like 8 when this album came out, I realllllllly don't think pitchfork is staffed overwhelmingly by 40 year olds

My argument about New Order and Talking Heads being overrated boils down to me being really bored every time I've tried to listen to them. So they're not really overrated at all - I'm just wired differently.

Although maybe some of your wirings are overrated ;)

received wisdom then? idk

xp

if you can't tell the aural difference between "Paradise City" and "Welcome to the Jungle" and "Talk Dirty to Me" and "House of Pain," then Idk

the main differences are a rhythm section taht could swing and Axl's imitation of Big Jim Dandy, but that's not enough to make it great imo

if anything gnr benefits from the lack of obvious imitators in the limelight - as early as 98 (when axl got a spin cover) they were being enjoyed the way Mad Men is enjoyed by some - this vicarious look into an unenlightened past

yeah that makes sense

yknow while kurt may not have play "my michelle" he wasn't the first temperamental eccentric shrieker signed to geffen to conquer rock via mtv. gnr not only paved the way for "OOOHH GIRL I'M SO MAD AND COMPLICATED, JUST A MESS OVER SUPER-TIGHT DRUMMING/ DRUUUGS" but got bloated so quickly they gave the new breed something to shove out of the way.

gnr was also ahead of the curve in getting someone who knew the fastbacks on a major

*no one* said Sade??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWJ4UObLyks

i'm just saying fellow gnr non-fans, the ship sailed already, why not focus on trying to figure how/when motley crue snuck into the rock god canon

they didn't

"The Dirt" raised their profile to some degree but no one cites their music as canonical

hair metal canon sure

i don't necessarily mean critically, but doesn't it seem like they've sidled up into this status level that they really don't belong to? this probably sounds like total hair splitting.

idk name names/cite sources

eh i'm just pulling stuff out of my ass. do you watch tv?

I don't really watch stuff they might show up on - their popularity seems p restricted to a subset of my generation. I never hear their stuff on the radio, none of my younger coworkers would know who they even are unless it's because of reality tv/the sex tape or a passing reference in Rock of Ages or something.

Which is not the case when it comes to Zeppelin, Sabbath, the Stones etc.

or GnR for that matter

yeah motley and poison are definitely better remembered than richard marx as far as late '80s hitmakers go but i don't see jann s wenner rolling out the hall of fame red carpet for either any time soon

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Not the best metric but their most popular song on spotify is 'kickstart my heart' with 21M plays. For comparison GnR version of 'knockin on heavens door' has 38M. Sweet child o mine has 86M.

Not hair metal but kind of influenced it, Cheap Trick's most famous song only has 8M. People are idiots.

I'm sure "The Flame" has more than eight million.

And yet still no-one will defend Bono and the lads.

Making a case for G'n'R has proven quite sufficiently unrewarding, thanks. I'm done with the pro bono work for this week. (See what I did there?)
I think U2 made some superlative rock records over the course of a decade or so, but there's no point trying to establish a reasoned debate on that. Between the singer's attempts to make the world a better place and the whole iTunes debacle, all people want to do nowadays is dump on them from a height. So it goes.