Heaven 17 - Penthouse and Pavement

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i just saw this on vh1 classic and ok this song MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. i dont understand it. its ultra brit new wave piano line and vocal melody but there is this ULTRA funky fly Jaco style bassline goin off and then the chorus is this godawful woman singing with the drum machine basically on random. please someone explain what was going on in england to produce this mishmosh of weird sounds. and WHY was it allowed to be made?! hell maybe Heaven 17 isnt even english. also the video seems to have some complicated plotline involving future people in suspended animation and a working day at the "British Electric Foundation" .

chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 03:47 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw that too!

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 03:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I dont know, but I like Hevane 17. "Let Me Go" has such an annoying and great bass part. WHat obscene synths! Plus its good to get the name of your band form Clockwork Organge

Mike Hanle y (mike), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 05:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Are we describing the Bastard Pop phenomenon here? This is basically where pirates put two cult / hit records together (usually billed as 'X versus Y') to get something wonderful and somewhat random-sounding. Check this out.

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 06:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, okay, you mean the original sounds obcene and incomprehensible?

Well, back in the early 80s we had all these Korgs and things, and some people went all grey and experimental with them (Cabaret Voltaire) and others went all funky and pop (Human League spin-offs the British Electric Foundation) cos bands like A Certain Ratio brought funk back to the attention of skinny white bedroom boys who'd been to art school (but didn't know how to program their drum machines properly).

And you have to remember that when bands like Human League split into two (Human League and Heaven 17) the rancourous rivalry of ex-friends was played out as a duel in the singles charts, with the funkiest contestant proclaimed the winner. (But they still didn't know how to program their drum machines. Neither did New Order.)

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 06:57 (twenty-three years ago)

i now have answers!

chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 07:05 (twenty-three years ago)

One of the greatest, forgotten cross relics from this Human League/Heaven 17 split up was the incredible British Electric Foundation "Music For Listening To.." EP on Virgin. The British Electric Foundation were essentially Heaven 17, fresh from their exodus from Human League, experimenting. They'd subsequently switch the use of that name as their record label.

Side A is more like a raw, weirder demo for the "Penthouse & Pavement" album, while Side B would rival early Cabaret Voltaire for gutteral, and ear damaging experimental proto-electro

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 08:08 (twenty-three years ago)

"And you have to remember that when bands like Human League split into two (Human League and Heaven 17) the rancourous rivalry of ex-friends was played out as a duel in the singles charts, with the funkiest contestant proclaimed the winner"

It's also worth remembering that when Human League did split, the general consensus was that the two founding members, Ware and Marsh, were the only ones with any musical talent and Oakey and Wright (a vocalist of questionable ability and the guy who operated the slide show!) were history.

Personally I think Penthouse & Pavment is a wonderful album but very much of it's time. I either haven't seen or can't remember the video but there was an awful lot of piss-taking of the "Yuppie" culture which was rapidly growing up at the time, so maybe that's part of the explanation.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 10:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Heaven 17 and the Human League once had to appear on the same edition of TOTP ("Temptation" and "Fascination" - early '83?) and refused to be in the same studio as each other.

Ironically, both records were kept off number one by those Southern chancers Spandau Ballet.

Oh and you can sing H17's "Let Me Go" to the tune of Prince's "Pop Life."

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 30 October 2002 10:29 (twenty-three years ago)

The absolute key reason why much of the Penthouse and Pavement LP, including the title song, is so fantastic is down to the guitarist/bassist H17 "discovered", name of John Wilson. Totally awesome player, as your 'ULTRA funky fly Jaco' comment acknowledges.

The record wouldn't be half as good w/out him...

Jeff W, Wednesday, 30 October 2002 10:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Only 17 at the time as well. Wonder what happened to him?

Apparently H17 tried to get Diana Ross to sing on "Penthouse And Pavement" (the song) but had to make do with her backing singer instead.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 30 October 2002 10:42 (twenty-three years ago)

transport is arranged

Gage O, Wednesday, 30 October 2002 14:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw it too! VH1 Classic is my favorite channel in the world.

keith

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 14:51 (twenty-three years ago)

B.E.F. are also responsible for these 2 very odd records...
Music Of Quality & Distinction 1 & Music Of Quality & Distinction 2.I have the first and it has it's moments,but haven't heard the 2nd.I'd like to hear the Green Gartside track!

dek1, Wednesday, 30 October 2002 16:36 (twenty-three years ago)

I recently wondered what New order would have been like if they had had a folk revival and played perfect kiss all acoustic

Mike Hanle y (mike), Thursday, 31 October 2002 04:03 (twenty-three years ago)

what, you mean like if they ditched all this electronic shite and played on Proper Instruments'?

< / troll >

Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 31 October 2002 06:36 (twenty-three years ago)

i saw the residents tonight... straight up midi drumz. and they were ROKKEN like DOKKEN!!!!

chaki (chaki), Thursday, 31 October 2002 08:21 (twenty-three years ago)

I traded this album away years ago and now I want it back! "Penthouse and Pavement" is the one where the chick sings "Heeere comes the nighttime...", right? I love that one!

Sean (Sean), Thursday, 31 October 2002 18:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Just picked this up and am very much taken with 'let's all make a bomb'. don't recall cold war angst ever sounding so much fun.

stevo (stevo), Friday, 1 November 2002 13:54 (twenty-three years ago)

haven 17 - one of those bands that one minute could've ruled the world and the next were part of some ropey 80s nostalgia tour.

Yes/No Interlude (Yes/No Interlude), Friday, 1 November 2002 14:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I have seen an inexplicable number of Communards videos on VH-1 Classic; it's obviously the best channel on television (for those of us lucky to get it). There's a massive gay slant to its nascent programming, they're reveling in both blatant and retrospectively ironic homosexual content. Aldo Nova? Golden Earring? I saw "You're The Inspiration" (Chicago) the other day - Peter Cetera is wearing a "Bela Lugosi's Dead" T-shirt! I'd like to meet the production coordinator that thought 17 could be a crossover hit with teens.

Chris Ott, Friday, 1 November 2002 14:43 (twenty-three years ago)

three years pass...
£3.99 in WH Smiths on cd ! let the excess 80's synth-n-horns funk begin .. been years since i heard this album ..

anyone heard the new H17 album yet ?

mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 13:33 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

i had forgotten about this song completely, it's not bad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cohLAd6w4WU

gershy, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 05:34 (eighteen years ago)

that bass line is sick. the 12 inch version is even MORE BASS SOLOING!!!

chaki, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 05:43 (eighteen years ago)

It is the sickest, most funky song ever. I LOVE this song.

moley, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 06:03 (eighteen years ago)

moley how did this record impact on your own slap bass stylings?

haitch, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 06:29 (eighteen years ago)

momus totally droppin knowledge like a regular dude:

Oh, okay, you mean the original sounds obcene and incomprehensible?

Well, back in the early 80s we had all these Korgs and things, and some people went all grey and experimental with them (Cabaret Voltaire) and others went all funky and pop (Human League spin-offs the British Electric Foundation) cos bands like A Certain Ratio brought funk back to the attention of skinny white bedroom boys who'd been to art school (but didn't know how to program their drum machines properly).

And you have to remember that when bands like Human League split into two (Human League and Heaven 17) the rancourous rivalry of ex-friends was played out as a duel in the singles charts, with the funkiest contestant proclaimed the winner. (But they still didn't know how to program their drum machines. Neither did New Order.)

-- Momus (Momus), Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:57 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Link

chaki, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 07:06 (eighteen years ago)

Fuck all that, that's some of the hottest drum machining ever.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

This is a thread about the track rather than the album?

Anyway, "Let's All Make a Bomb" rules!!!

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 23:19 (eighteen years ago)

two years pass...

This album is too fucking good.

Ciudad Warez (corey), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 21:44 (fifteen years ago)

When I finally bought this, it disappointed me: The Luxury Gap was stronger imo.

Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 21:47 (fifteen years ago)

Luxury Gap has better songs but this one has the funk.

Ciudad Warez (corey), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 21:48 (fifteen years ago)

eleven months pass...

oh shit im hypnotized

so come right back, we have count dracula and we have adam rich (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 23:35 (fourteen years ago)

three years pass...

I generally prefer the original Human League to Heaven 17 (I like pretty much everything the early Human League ever did, whereas Heaven 17 I like the odd track here and there), but my god this album has some great tracks on it. I much prefer the second side over the first, and 'We're Going To Live For A Very Long Time' and 'Let's All Make A Bomb' are both fantastic, IMO.

You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Tuesday, 17 March 2015 16:58 (ten years ago)

ten years pass...

if not posted elswhere:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAVrJMu49z4

Josefa, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 15:09 (five months ago)


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