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I found thiswhilst snooping around -- a list of the top 40 "conservative" pop songs of the rock era. Worthy of discussion, d'ya think?

J (Jay), Thursday, 31 October 2002 01:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I was mostly surprised to see "Philadelphia Freedom" at number 25!

J (Jay), Thursday, 31 October 2002 01:12 (twenty-two years ago)

the most absurd f*cking crap i've read
the only tracks from after 1990 in the list are:

17. Lee Greenwood, “God Bless the U.S.A.”
Greenwood is a well-known country and western singer. This song was originally released in 1984, hitting number 7 on the country chart. But in 1991, in the wake of the Gulf war, it was re-released, crossing over to the pop chart. It reached number 30 in June and was on the chart for 5 weeks

21. Whitney Houston, “The Star Spangled Banner”
In the midst of the Gulf war in 1991, Miss Houston was asked to sing the National Anthem at the opening of Super Bowl XXV on January 27. Although a difficult song for even the best singers, she electrified the crowd with this rendition. Released as a single, this live performance reached number 20 on the chart.

dsico (dsico), Thursday, 31 October 2002 02:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow, that's amazing. Here's my favorite one: "However, I take the view that being deeply religious makes the song per se conservative, even if the religion is Hinduism or Buddhism."

charlie va (charlie va), Thursday, 31 October 2002 02:30 (twenty-two years ago)

oddly, I've always thought of "Philadelphia Freedom" as *very* anti-conservative in the pre-1979 British sense (it's perfectly amenable to Thatcherism, but that didn't really exist when it was recorded).

robin carmody (robin carmody), Thursday, 31 October 2002 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought "Love Child" was about starting school with a worn, torn dress that somebody threw out.

Mat Bo (Mat Bo), Thursday, 31 October 2002 07:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Talking of social-conscience era Supremes, is "I'm Living In Shame" classed as a conservative song? That would (uncharacteristically) make something close to sense, though I love it.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Thursday, 31 October 2002 07:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I dunno if some of those on this list of "conservatives" would willingly identify themselves as such (particularly Messrs. Lennon and Davies, or ms. ross). A really interesting pick would have been one of Bowie's more Nietzsche-esque tunes (i.e., "The Supermen"), though I suspect that the guy who made up this list just doesn't have that great a record collection and ergo no Bowie (an affliction that has probably has nothing to do with his political ideology). And wasn't "Philadelphia Freedom" as much Elton John's/Bernie Taupin's tribute to Gamble and Huff as it was about alleged conservatism (and if it is actually conservative, shouldn't the credit rightfully go to Taupin)? Or if yer gonna pick an Elton John song, wouldn't "Nikita" be a better one for this theme?

Since I'm not a political conservative, I can't speak for them -- though I suspect that the ILX righties (keith? dave q?) would probably also be embarrassed by this list because musically it sorta sucks. On the same principle that ILX lefties might be embarrassed by a list full of Indigo Girls, Billy Bragg, Rage Against the Machine, or Consolidated songs?

Tad (llamasfur), Thursday, 31 October 2002 08:46 (twenty-two years ago)

well, as a leftie with decent taste in music ("not that that's not how I *vote*, but God do I avoid discussing music with them" as I think Mark S said about socialists) I'd certainly be embarrassed by such a list.

does "Nikita" anticipate the fall of Communism, or something?

robin carmody (robin carmody), Thursday, 31 October 2002 09:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Its a pretty mixed bag - some of it is properly right wing like Staff Sargeant Barry Adler or Skynard but he has to jump through a few hoops to work some of the others in there - like the Temptations just 'cos they mention taxs. SImilarly the sentiments in the Byrds, Beatles or Harrison tracks are at worst (best) small c conservative and could just as easily be read as having a progresive agenda.

As for James Brown he should've picked "If you Don't Work (You Can't Eat)" which even more clearly shows his conservative agenda.

And what about The Sensational Alex Harvey Band's cover of Tomorrow Belongs To Me?

Now the million dollar question... what were you looking for that led to you finding this.

tigerclawskank, Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I suppose you could say Go West's "Don't Look Down" is Conservative, but not conservative.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I was disappointed when I first saw the link to this list on Nate's blog, and I still think that it's a nifty little idea with shite execution. I mean, is it even worth pointing out that religion/patriotism != conservatism, and that conservatism != homphobia ("Some conservatives may object to inclusion of this song on a list of conservative classics on the grounds that John is an open homosexual. ") and a "traditional" (read: chauvinistic) view on the role of women in society?

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 31 October 2002 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

He's got the Beatles' bit completely wrong. The line in Revolution goes ...you can count me out...in!

Jez (Jez), Thursday, 31 October 2002 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

only on the album version. on the single version it's just "out."

lennon voted tory on the quiet.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 31 October 2002 12:37 (twenty-two years ago)

What kinda Commie list is THIS? Where's "This Ain't No Rag, its a Flag" by the Charlie Daniels Band?

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Thursday, 31 October 2002 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I just rue his decision not to include "Okie From Muskogee". However, I guess he did okay considering the constraints he placed upon himself from the outset (Billboard Top 40 pop singles only, no album tracks, conservative lyrics)

J (Jay), Thursday, 31 October 2002 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Rumour is that the might fine 'Okie from Muskogee' was a piss-take rather than a straight conservative anthem. Apparently one of Merle's band uttered, while lighting up a big doobie, the immortal words "I bet they don't smoke marijuana in Muskogee" and he wrote the song from there.

James Ball (James Ball), Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Kinks "Get Back in Line", Neil Young "Man Needs a Maid", Fear "I Don't Care About You"

dave q, Thursday, 31 October 2002 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

too bad it's so half-assed, because it's a good idea for a list. It's kind of a complicated issue - is a song conservative because it is understood as conservative by its listeners?

there is a lot of small-c conservatism in rock, though. more back-to-the-old-ways, respect-the-roots, i'm-afraid-of-the future stuff than explicit Republicanism though. I started this thread The Conservative Impulse of Punk a couple of months ago. I'm a bit muddled about it all still there's so much ambivalence: "okie from muskokie" can be read as parody or tribute and it's probably both. more worldweary "andy griffith show" than altman's "nashville" though, y'know?

"fightin' side of me", also by merle, souinds less jokey to me. though he does call pacificists "squirelly" which always cracks me up.

I agree that the Kinks are pretty conservative - but kinda like Haggard when they spell it out. "Village Green Preservation Society", "Last of The Steam Powered Trains" etc. Yes, the narrator is kinda mocking the cliches of conservatism but he definitely feels their tug

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 31 October 2002 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

oh and a whole article about James Brown & conservatism would be really interesting, i think

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 31 October 2002 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

There's a great Merle song about wishing it were still the good old times, "when coke was a drink and a joint was a bad place to be".

tigerclawskank, Thursday, 31 October 2002 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Since when is "I Fought the Law" a conservative, law-and-order song?

Kerry (dymaxia), Thursday, 31 October 2002 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Because it encourages you to not fight the law and just accept the will of the Overlords. Order must be maintained at all costs!

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Thursday, 31 October 2002 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think Skynyrd (at least pre-plane crash) were conservative at all, just that "Sweet Home Alabama" was a response to Neil Young's "Alabama" and "Southern Man." In no Skynyrd songs from that period do the lyrics advocate the unequal treatment of blacks (quite the opposite, actually, in that one song off the first album, forget the title, about life in the ghetto). A song like "Simple Man" may be "conservative" in its philosophical content, but not in any traditional political sense (i.e. "conservative" meaning generally looks to the past as opposed to "Conservative" meaning right wing).

hstencil, Thursday, 31 October 2002 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Excerpt:
Also, I think it is more telling if a conservative song had broad popularity, as indicated by sales, than if it is buried on some obscure album. Unfortunately, this rule forced me to leave out my personal favorite conservative rock song, “Taxman” by The Beatles (well covered by Stevie Ray Vaughn).

Revolver is an obscure, poorly-selling album?! WTF?!

Ernest P., Thursday, 31 October 2002 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

In a similar vein, you can check out some libertarian songlists at http://www.lp.org/lpnews/0108/libertysongs.html and http://www.techcentralstation.com/1051/techwrapper.jsp?PID=1051-250&CID=1051-101702A respectively.

Ben, Monday, 4 November 2002 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

"We're Not Gonna Take It"!

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 4 November 2002 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...
This list is indeed embarrassing, but because I usually find Bartlett to be a pretty good economist I'll let it slide.

A similar article. Links are minimized if too large, right? Tinyurl isn't working.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:z0EWRvj2ce4J:www.nationalreview.com/nrof_bartlett/bartlett120501.shtml+Bruce+Bartlett++kinks+&hl=en

Cunga (Cunga), Saturday, 9 July 2005 07:12 (twenty years ago)

Rich folks sure hate taxes!

HukL, Saturday, 9 July 2005 07:20 (twenty years ago)

(well covered by Stevie Ray Vaughn)

..."well covered." Uh-huh.

Also, I submit that the "Watergate don't bother me" line is less about Skynyrd throwing their support behind Nixon (for one, "Severe abuse of the public trust: I don't mind!" isn't much of a rallying cry) but rather about Skynyrd not giving a flying fuck about politics.

And what's up with all the conservative pundits attempting to whitewash Nixon lately? Everyone's favorite hate-filled Nazi bitch Ann Coulter has been screeching about it for years, but now Ben Stein has written in a WSJ editorial that Nixon was a wonderful man unfairly hounded out of office by a biased investigation, and that by outing Nixon, Mark Felt was directly responsible for the rise of the Khmer Rouge. No joke, he really said that.

Sigh. Sorry about the tangent, but Nixon apologists fill me with quiveing rage.

Interesting link, Cunga.

Telephonething (Telephonething), Saturday, 9 July 2005 07:35 (twenty years ago)

The Beatles weren't the only British rock group to complain about high taxes in 1966. The Kinks also took a shot at confiscatory British taxes in their hit, "Sunny Afternoon," which reached No. 14 on the pop chart. "The tax man's taken all my dough," the song begins. "And I can't sail my yacht/He's taken everything I've got."

This is because it's about a useless dandy that doesn't want to work for a living!!!! Not really the best of "tax protest" songs.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 9 July 2005 10:04 (twenty years ago)

(and what's up with painting The Kinks green every time the article mentions them?)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 9 July 2005 10:05 (twenty years ago)

Similarly, saying "Ball of Confusion" is conservative just because of the line, "politicians say mo' taxes will solve everything", is stretching it - isn't the song a rather non-partisan observation on what was going on in the world when it was written? Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think in many cases the anti-tax lyrics written by African-American artists have little to do with any conservative agenda, rather than with the view that taxes are just one more way for the white man to oppress them. Even the Dead Prez have anti-tax lyrics!

Tuomas (Tuomas), Saturday, 9 July 2005 10:45 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but that first list was all about "streching it" in every way imaginable. Patrotism? Conservative. Religion? Conservative. Anti-crime sentiments? Conservative. Celebrating Andrew Jackson? Conservative.

It's actually kind of sad, it has this really melancholic subtext to it, like the guy is desperatley trying to reconcile his politics with his taste in music.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 9 July 2005 11:06 (twenty years ago)

I think a lot of us do it. I listen to lot of rap, yet often have to reconcile my leftist-feminist views with the apparent ultracapitalism and misogyny of certain rappers.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Saturday, 9 July 2005 11:53 (twenty years ago)

When the whole Eminem Controversy was at its height I always tried to refute accusations of homophobia by drawing attention to that line about men eloping on "The Real Slim Shady", and that was silly and desperate too! :)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 9 July 2005 12:58 (twenty years ago)

7. The Byrds, “Turn! Turn! Turn!”

This is an odd conservative classic, having been written by old time lefty Pete Seeger and performed by a group that later glorified drugs in “Eight Miles High.” Nevertheless, it makes my list because the lyrics are drawn straight from the Book of Ecclesiastes. I figure that any song based on the Bible deserved inclusion.

Did Leonard Cohen have any hits?

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 9 July 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

Wasn't "Famous Blue Raincoat" a minor hit?

Telephonething (Telephonething), Saturday, 9 July 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

And what's up with all the conservative pundits attempting to whitewash Nixon lately? Everyone's favorite hate-filled Nazi bitch Ann Coulter has been screeching about it for years, but now Ben Stein has written in a WSJ editorial that Nixon was a wonderful man unfairly hounded out of office by a biased investigation...

Bastards all. With that bunch, all apologies are tactical, insincere and temporary.

I hope to live long enough to see a game show called "Seize Ben Stein's Money." It would involve subpoenas and kicks to the eponymous host's groin.

MV, Saturday, 9 July 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

eight years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypVdRv3dIpA

draconian approach to dominoes (Eight Model Play), Saturday, 24 August 2013 19:44 (eleven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64z16Vd69Vs

draconian approach to dominoes (Eight Model Play), Saturday, 24 August 2013 19:46 (eleven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t85_stbHwBI

Try not to make anyone angry when you say things to people (Eight Model Play), Saturday, 24 August 2013 19:57 (eleven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICjqAkV3pVE

Try not to make anyone angry when you say things to people (Eight Model Play), Saturday, 24 August 2013 20:05 (eleven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J8muxBuU4U

Try not to make anyone angry when you say things to people (Eight Model Play), Saturday, 24 August 2013 20:10 (eleven years ago)

where is Frank Turner band?

the arpeggio as will and idea (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 24 August 2013 20:16 (eleven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnGRI8jbgzw

Try not to make anyone angry when you say things to people (Eight Model Play), Saturday, 24 August 2013 20:19 (eleven years ago)

Maxx Militscher 3 years ago
This guy is true poet, he has the best lyrics.
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AmySergeantMusic 3 years ago
yep and they make sense, they arent any lines just there becuase they rhym :)
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Try not to make anyone angry when you say things to people (Eight Model Play), Saturday, 24 August 2013 20:25 (eleven years ago)

i've been leaving faux positive comments on shit band videos and i never get called on them. just done a new Frank:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1L5zJ2afLs

see if you can guess which one's mine

the arpeggio as will and idea (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 24 August 2013 20:26 (eleven years ago)

fazveedub 11 months ago
Are there any sons of liberty left ?
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MickeyKraut419 11 months ago
Keep faith my friend(s)... our numbers grow everyday. The day is soon approaching the voices of liberty and reason will echo throughout the world. No force of men can stand in the way of an idea that's time has come... Soon the world will witness the dawn of the age of liberty.
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zpridgen75 9 months ago
listen to the song and shut the fuck up you cunts

Try not to make anyone angry when you say things to people (Eight Model Play), Saturday, 24 August 2013 20:27 (eleven years ago)

I know that the lyrics mean something else among the UK working class Oi! types than what the Tea Baggers go on about but I still think this could be their mantra :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMwIOdfYU8E

We're sick and tired of your liberal views
What's politically correct?
Come judgement day, I'll be trying the noose
And slipping it around your neck

Can't you hear me shout?
There are a lot of people like me about
But for you there's just no hope

Get a rope, get a rope

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Saturday, 24 August 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago)

see if you can guess which one's mine

― the arpeggio as will and idea (Noodle Vague),

I wondered who was doing all the spam posts to win ipads on youtube

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Saturday, 24 August 2013 21:38 (eleven years ago)

Question: has anyone encountered any Frank Turner fans who are 'into' his political philosophy? When the guardian outed him as a right-winger/libertarian I seem to remember there was talk along the lines how of his supposedly left-wing fan-base would be horrified, but I don't think any of the Frank fans i have met are self consciously 'political'; his appeal to the fans I know is that he's 'authentic' and 'meaningful' in some way, but I don't think they would think/talk about this in political terms. Are there parts of his fan-base that self-identify as libertarian, though?

Try not to make anyone angry when you say things to people (Eight Model Play), Saturday, 24 August 2013 22:57 (eleven years ago)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/4260325/Tories-wheel-out-Wombles-man-for-theme-song.html

Does this exist online anywhere?

consume less love (Eight Model Play), Sunday, 25 August 2013 10:41 (eleven years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZVkX232oZGZtV05sipAJ1vC43oOJa_Xm

lol@ the amount of Morrissey on this playlist.

Eight Model Play, Sunday, 25 August 2013 10:58 (eleven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Keegq7anD4I

Eight Model Play, Sunday, 25 August 2013 11:21 (eleven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chwjQGNJ1sY

Eight Model Play, Sunday, 25 August 2013 11:44 (eleven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5im_bMvQs8

Eight Model Play, Sunday, 25 August 2013 11:47 (eleven years ago)

I know laughing at this stuff is the cheapest of cheap laughs, but jesus christ.

Eight Model Play, Sunday, 25 August 2013 11:48 (eleven years ago)

woah wait.. who the F was behind that 'Militant Out' song?? never heard of it before. sounds like Orange Juice.

piscesx, Sunday, 25 August 2013 17:54 (eleven years ago)

A comment on the youtube page says this:

this was not by labour members its paul feather a tory hotel owner

http://www.feathers.uk.com/

The Babbitt and the Bromide (Eight Model Play), Sunday, 25 August 2013 19:06 (eleven years ago)

They attempted to whip up what Engels called the 'enraged petit bourgeois' behind a hastily organised 'movement', called 'Liverpool Against Militant' (LAM). This body was supposedly indignant at the alleged 'antics' of the city council and particularly of the 'Militants'. However, the organisers were far from being the 'ordinary ratepayers' presented by the media.

What ordinary ratepayers could afford an aeroplane for publicity on the day of the demonstration? Paul Feather, the principal spokesperson of LAM, was a failed Tory candidate and was also representing the Hotels and Restaurants Association within LAM. The local press, who had played down the massive demonstrations in the previous two years of 20,000, 40,000 and 50,000, gave huge publicity to the preparations for a LAM demonstration on 6 October.

The meeting of 400 people which initiated the demonstration was mostly composed of businessmen with a smattering of so-called 'Labour moderates' whom nobody had ever heard of. On, Mr Hugh McCafferty, a retired dockworker, was quoted in the Daily Telegraph as describing Derek Hatton as 'a Militant skunk'. The day of the demonstration saw a motley crowd, less than 4000 strong, gathering at the Pier Head, with a number of Labour activists counter-demonstrating.

The Babbitt and the Bromide (Eight Model Play), Sunday, 25 August 2013 19:10 (eleven years ago)

The managing director of a car business in what the Daily Express(21 October) called the 'pleasant suburb of Allerton', Tinnion took a weekend off from his caravan and cod-fishing outings in Anglesey to sweep Liverpool clean of the baleful influence of Militant Marxism. The troops were railed by a new theme song 'Militant Out', specially composed for the rally. The lyrics ran: 'Militant out – everybody shout Militant out, Militant out... M is for Militant, their image, their pretence; I is for Indifference, those who sit on the fence; N is for our nation, who play it by the rules; T is for the traitors destroying Liverpool.' Not exactly in the mould of The Beatles!

The Babbitt and the Bromide (Eight Model Play), Sunday, 25 August 2013 19:13 (eleven years ago)

Does anyone know where you could find some good writing about the Militant Tendency, particularly Militant in Liverpool, and the experiences of Marxist groups that achieve office in capitalist countries? I've read Michael Crick's book and some of Militant's own books but I guess I'd like to read an analysis by someone outside of Militant that 'Militant Out' type stuff.

The Babbitt and the Bromide (Eight Model Play), Sunday, 25 August 2013 19:24 (eleven years ago)

should read: an analysis by someone outside of Militant that isn't 'Militant Out' type stuff.

The Babbitt and the Bromide (Eight Model Play), Sunday, 25 August 2013 19:30 (eleven years ago)

seven years pass...

It peaked pretty far south of the top 40 but I just heard this gem for the first time. Same as it ever was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6SM5Uf8AsE

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 October 2020 11:56 (four years ago)


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