has ilm gotten more indie lately?

idk. feels like it. 500 new answers by the end of monday.

it feels more emo these past weeks

hey

i wish but sadly no.

it would help if there was better indie music these days but there are not that many exciting indie bands right now. Future Island? please.

oh they are called Future Islands, anyways they have one song...

The 1995 to 1997 period was one of the freshest and best periods in British music. Sure it was insular and probably overhyped by the media but it gave a sense of belonging that wasn't there with grunge or the soulless dance music of the later 1990s. The music and the time mark out a significant period in my own life - having the freedom of being away from home, starting my first "real" job, having music and an aesthetic that I could identify with. The summer of 1996 was the peak of this with Euro 96 on the TV and Oasis at Knebworth. A fantastic time of my life that I know I'll never have back.

i guess we could say something about this objectively depending on what the EOY poll results are like vs. previous years. if anything i think it's just that the non-indie rap/dance/etc. sects of ILM were always relatively small cliques and their participation fluctuates more than the steady stream of discussion of indie and canonical rock.

Mainstream music today keeps us partying, forgetting about troubles, and overall not sending a message. Not that it’s a bad thing because music is supposed to take us away from troubles or help us to identify ourselves with the artist. However, radio play is not giving us much substance as it once did before . But consumers gravitate towards these feel-good songs in which advertisers take notice and invest money into these stations by buying ad spaces to get these listeners to patronize their products. So once again, Are consumers to blame? Are we running towards mainstream music to party/feel good and using indie music in secret to get the true art of the craft?

^responsible for ilm being more indie due to his campaign for the return to real gaz goombes rock

It's been indie for years

IDK, I think there's always been an indie substrain, but maybe the poptimism has died down a little or migrated elsewhere? I used to feel like indie was constantly derided here, less so now, which has probably emboldened the indieness.

Poptimism feels less like it has a sense of mission today. Maybe it more-or-less accomplished its goal.

I used to feel like indie was constantly derided here, less so now, which has probably emboldened the indieness.

just wait for the poll results

you guys realize that stuff noodle's posting is copypasta, right

not just that but of gaz coombes

Ha I assumed so but wasn't sure xp

I havent noticed any change fwiw and rather than being more indie I think ILM in general has perhaps become more tolerant of modern mainstream rock?

bands like Haim arent 'indie' for instance but mainstream rock and 10/15 years ago Im not sure they would have been so liked here

indie stuff always does well historically in the EOY albums polls and then every year people react with 'wtf where did all these people who are voting for indie albums come from?' and then the same mysterious people vote for indie albums again next year and the cycle continues ad infinitum

the penrose stairs of ILM indie popularity

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you guys realize that stuff noodle's posting is copypasta, right

― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:35 AM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

flagged post anyway

thank you for taking a stand

there's no room for that kind of stuff here

i feel like this thread is gonna see a lot of action after the top 77 albums/singles are posted.

more like sebadohn't

xpost

probably. It does seem like the parameters of indie have gotten more diffuse. Is Grimes indie? Is Joanna Newsom or Julia Holter?

yes, yes, yeah

Do you feel like a lot of the rap being ahowcased here is indie, Rev?

ILM has been getting steadily older and male-er but that process has been going on for a very long time. It doesn't feel more "indie" but it does feel a lot more and more "classic rock".

I don't know that there's a corresponding "classic pop" mindset for old poptimists who have become too old to keep up with new movements in popular music.

I have also noted before (and my point got lost in the fuzz of people's usual reactions to me) the tendency of critical discourse to head towards "authenticity narratives" and more "plain" or "rootsy" music in times of world economic distress. I haven't thought this through fully, and it would require someone cleverer than me (and better at pulling people back from diversions) to put it together and confirm or deny. But that's my feeling of what the critical drift is right now.

can't believe i got FP'd, this is typical of the bullying carried out by PC thugs on ILM who can't abide the fact that some of us will continue to rep for authentic music made by real artists

ILM has been getting steadily older and male-er but that process has been going on for a very long time. It doesn't feel more "indie" but it does feel a lot more and more "classic rock".

This seems about right. Lots of retrospective polls, lots of threads about records from 5-30 years ago, relatively little on new indie rock albums that came out last year.

Paul Draper released his first album since Mansun today, just thought you should all know

Maybe I just wasn't paying enough attention five years ago, but I think there are better "indie" albums being released than, say, five years ago.

Also I think that 90s alt-rock and shoegaze being the two main influences on a lot of contemporary indie helps - that's all far away enough to be fond nostalgia triggers.

This seems about right. Lots of retrospective polls, lots of threads about records from 5-30 years ago, relatively little on new indie rock albums that came out last year.

Let the 'Bowie is mortal' thing sink in k tx.

ILM has been getting steadily older and male-er but that process has been going on for a very long time. It doesn't feel more "indie" but it does feel a lot more and more "classic rock".

This seems about right. Lots of retrospective polls, lots of threads about records from 5-30 years ago, relatively little on new indie rock albums that came out last year.

― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Sunday, January 17, 2016 9:59 AM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes this rings really true. it means ilm is no longer as much of a timesink, so there's that!

indie stuff always does well historically in the EOY albums polls and then every year people react with 'wtf where did all these people who are voting for indie albums come from?' and then the same mysterious people vote for indie albums again next year and the cycle continues ad infinitum

This isn't really true. Some people maybe just notice indie more despite its relatively well proportioned presence. Albums probably perceived as indie (rightly or wrongly) to place in ILM end of year top 10 so far this decade:

2010: Sleigh Bells, Ariel Pink, Vampire Weekend
2011: Tune-Yards, Gang Gang Dance, PJ Harvey, Destroyer
2012: Goat? Grimes?
2013: Vampire Weekend, mbv
2014: St Vincent, War On Drugs, Owen Pallett

an average of 3 out of the top 10 per year is "doing well historically" imo

Also I forgot HAIM. But the term has no meaning if any one person even thought it covers more than handful of those acts, if any. And 3/10 just isn't noteworthy at all.

it's not disproportionate but I don't think the post you were quoting was suggesting it was

I don't think the new Built to Spill record is going to show up in the albums roll-out.

it's not one of their best, but v enjoyable and the songs work well live

For real the Mojofication of ILM is worse than any number of people repping for Dirty Projectors or whoever. At least the proliferation of sub-New Jersey threads has levelled off, but right now the board feels particularly dominated by people who would rather make lists than actually talk about stuff.

If grimes counts as indie there's been a lot of good grimes talk past year

the only good ilm threads are the ones with almost nobody on them

the curse of #Retromania

The new Shearwater album is kind of a big deal but there has been nary of a mention of it on ILM

what is indie now

ilm

"aging" is also a subjective term, especially given how hollywoodized the music industry is in this regard -- I started to feel "aging" by age 24

― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, January 19, 2016 5:14 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i am 24 and i do feel aged lol. mostly wrt my receding hairline though

that was what I was originally going to say but believe it or not I do try not to be completely insufferable

;-)

sorry about your hairline, katherine

working a 9-to-5 also makes me feel old tbh

I've done that since I graduated college :/

yeah, i'm very happy at my job and with my life though, it's more because a lot of my friends like some kind of flaneur lifestyle, and i see my last chance at that routine slipping through my fingers

*live

I definitely feel old at 32. career, marriage, kids and also a receding hairline will do that. new music takes a shit load of time to discover btw, you have to wade through a lot of trash and/or stuff that is good but maybe you don't feel immediately to get to stuff that resonates

idk it is kind of fun feeling old too especially when you connect with other people who feel old but haven't given up

fuck I'm older than marcos

haha that's the second time you've posted that iirc

lol I'll be 50 this year, y'all are kids

this is the first year I've really been feeling the "getting old, less time for new music" thing, if I didn't do a college radio show and frequent ILX I would be even more out of touch

rap can be hella indie

I find new (young) bands every year, though far less than I used to. But I seem to find new (old) bands more often as I dig into genres that I'd previously skipped over, or connect with something that I hadn't before. I'm older than the lot of you (except Sleeve) and, yeah, it does take time and effort. That naturally ebbs and flows, but if the spark is in you and you keep it alive, you'll never become one of those people who stopped listening to music in year XXXX. And since you're on this board, that's likely the case.

Hell, I may finally buy Bowie's Berlin trilogy this year. ;-)

i'm too old to remember i'm older than marcos

there's "indie rap" and rap that is indie, and there are most definitely a bunch of unsigned rappers! or working with local ppl doing distribution and having a 'label' even if that means a couple dudes lining up local shows and uploading tracks. i don't attend nearly enough of those, and there are probably at least a couple shows per month, even in my city

i figured we were just talking from a business pov ... ppl who are making it via blogs -> pitchfork -> pitchfork fest -> lolla -> drake collab

i.e. ... asap rocky

Top Dawg Entertainment?

nah their path to success included those venues at a certain point but was way bigger than that

like an 8.0 no bnm review with 161 facebook likes was not the source of kendrick lamar's buzz pre-good kid
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/15653-section80/

rap isn't the best example here

I was gonna say, if you're listening to the radio in SF, KPOO is required listening. Sucks about the reception, in my old place I had a big speaker wire antenna rigged up that worked alright. KPFA also has some great regular shows, one of the highlights is definitely the History of Funk (think it's on Friday nights). Love that guy's voice!

I haven't read 95% of this thread, but a ctrl-f seems to indicate that nobody has mentioned that it was started by a forum member whose current name is mocking the idea that a former member of Supergrass could have made a good LP this year - and nobody seems to mind. That would go down very differently on drowned in sound.

Wait Danny Goffey's made an album?

ilm - not as bad as drowned in sound

Years
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1982–1983
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1983–1985
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Ahm Kahn for a Goffey.

it was started by a forum member whose current name is mocking the idea that a former member of Supergrass could have made a good LP this year

I suspect Rev has never actually heard / has no opinion on Supergrass and is just third-wave meta-clowning the meme

gotta say that i was really disappointed when i found out kendrick's 'alright' wasn't a supergrass cover after all

diddy >

glandular lansbury! great name for a band. or a rejected jbr username.

And since you're on this board, that's likely the case.

― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 20 January 2016 02:25 (15 hours ago) Permalink

you mean a lot of ilxors have stopped searching for good new/young bands, right?

because this site is one of the biggest poptimist corners the web has to offer. just look at the top tracks/albums lists.

i assume by new/young bands or old bands, you're suggesting that people don't have the time to listen to that obscure or slightly more obscure album or band that isn't in the top indie/pop/rnb/alternative/metal charts somewhere in the world (including the asian/south american/african continent, etc.)

we can go into a debate on what is good indie music, but i'm particularly surprised there is not a lot of talk of bill ryder-jones's new one, for example. but i guess i'm missing the old ilx

> you mean a lot of ilxors have stopped searching for good new/young bands, right?

No, I meant ILMors, by nature of being on a music discussion board, are much more likely to make the effort to find new bands (young or old). I'm not a poptimist myself so I don't frequent those threads.

> you're suggesting that people don't have the time to listen to that obscure or slightly more obscure album or band that isn't in the top indie/pop/rnb/alternative/metal charts somewhere in the world

Yes, I am suggesting just that, and ILM is very useful in that regard because threads for some of the lesser known bands pop up and can lead to a new discovery. ILM tipped me off to Courtney Barnett well before the rest of the world. And I'm listening to Bill Ryder-Jones right now thanks to your comment. All the Bowie discussion has been very intelligent and helpful for me, never a major fan, to go back and reacquaint myself with his work. It's that aspect of the ILM community that I value the most.

actually, yeah, i see what you're saying and i kind of agree.

personally, i find that these recommendations are usually pretty hidden in strangely-titled threads or just through tangential/off-topic chit-chat, while the big names get their own threads. but better this than nothing, i suppose!

hope you find bill's music at least slightly to your liking

i, for one, would like to not die.

"i don't want to live on through my work, i want to live on in my apartment"

who said it, Woody Allen or Conor Oberst?

/it was started by a forum member whose current name is mocking the idea that a former member of Supergrass could have made a good LP this year/

I suspect Rev has never actually heard / has no opinion on Supergrass and is just third-wave meta-clowning the meme

Correct. I've actually been wanting to ditch the display name for a while but I haven't had access to a computer and I can't change it in Zing.

That dn looks fine to me

it's really funny

Wow this is the most annoying thread

(Sorry rev)

No you're absolutely right.

I stand with Rev and his right to make fun of Supergrass in his display name!!!!!

supergrass was pretty good for a british band

supergrass was british?!

oh wait i'm thinking of superdrag

I Should Coco was a righteous slab of punk infused Britpop, snotty and tuneful in equal measure. The more mature follow-up, In It For the Money, saw the lads grow into their sound beyond the expectations of even their most slavish adherents. While they were unable to consistently sustain the heights achieved on these first two minor masterworks of mid-'90s carefree discontent, Coombes has nearly unleashed their equivalent with his stunning solo album The Matador. And remember, he may just be getting started on a long and fruitful solo career; Gaz still cuts a striking, youthful figure at the mere age of 39!

gaz coombes solo is also british, and super!! xp

I stand with Rev and his right to make fun of Supergrass in his display name!!!!!

her

gah sorry