Hey millennials, why do you love Stevie Nicks yet forsake Pat Benatar?

This is my dissertation topic so please only serious answers. Listen youth of today, I understand you. You love your phones, synth pop, Bernie Sanders, Beyonce think pieces and Tusk.

But why have you ignored Pat Benatar? Her greatest hits record is just as strong as Stevie's, yet there are no planned biopics or memes or snapchat discussions. Why not goddamnit?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!

because hell is for children.

I think it's because millennials tend to conflate Pat Benatar and Linda Ronstadt, and they're mad at the latter for breaking George Lucas's heart which led to him making Phantom Menace which in turn ruined their childhoods.

Let me know if you need citations on that one.

Have millennials embraced Stevie in any particular way tho? The Mac revival has been going on for about 15 years now. While there are similarities between the rock solo records SN put out and Benatar's stuff, PB doesn't have any songs like "Sara" or "Rhiannon" or "Landslide" afaik

I think I just miss the "millennial" cutoff by about a year or two (I'm 1978), but when I was in high school, I remember some of the hipper kids getting into Stevie/FM because Courtney Love was a fan. She/they are certainly one of those acts that have constant, cross-generational cred--like, their fan base ranges from my parents to a 19-year-old former co-worker of mine.

She does have a song called "Hit me with your best shot" which is about being hit with a best shot.

Pat Benatar was my dad's neighbor growing up. He didn't know her too well though, she was a bit older. But still, that just makes her inherently more banal than stevie knicks who grew up in a mythical, groovy wiccan place/california

Also stevie nicks' music is just way better isn't it? I never heard anyone seriously gush over benatar before kornrulez69

I think Stevie Nicks currently resides in a shimmering portal between worlds somewhere outside of Reseda.

"Linda, that girl looks just like Pat Benatar!"

"I know. Wait. There are three girls here at Ridgemont who have cultivated the Pat Benatar look. Chanel Semlar ... Mary Ann Zlotnick, in the red tights ... "

I don't think I 'got' Benatar back in the day but a recent review of her '80s product has brought its quality to light.

I don't know why but this thread also brought to mind that Fast Times scene for me, Josh.

Also, I'm thinking that there is something about PB that scans as "80s" in a not-cool (i.e. not Prince, Kate Bush, synth-pop, etc) way.

Maybe if they heard how badass she sounds in interviews?

Lol wtf at "stevie knicks" sry xp

But is she comparable at all to a figure like prince or kate bush? Those two are/were visionaries

As a 1978er, I consider myself on the millennial cusp. Pat Benatar was easily confused with Linda Ronstadt or maybe your friend's mom.

Pat Benatar is an amazing singer, but yeah her tracks are dated in a way that Fleetwood Mac classic stuff isn't -- tho I'm not sure they're dated any more than "Stand Back" is (the Prince connection might help that, or maybe just Nicks having a head start in the "cool" dept).

haha I never confused Benatar and Ronstadt

Timespace is a helluva better comp than Benatar's Best Shots or whatever. The difference is that Nicks is weird.

I feel like there is a real east coast/west coast divide between those two in my mind

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PB not comparable to either of those--I was just trying to suggest that millennials will cherry-pick the "best" parts of an era like the 80s while ignoring the artists who more represented solid craftsmanship. Understandably, I suppose--I can't imagine P4k reviewing reissues of her back catalogue if they were to come out right now.

(fwiw, listening to Best Shots on Spotify right now)

Heartbreaker always seems to be on whenever I turn on the local classic rock station.

benatar gets millennial love at karaoke nights, not that this is an entirely uncondescending form of love.

I feel like getting super into her would be seen as quirky in a respectable way in 2016 brooklyn

the next generation to embrace laura branigan will be the one to break our chains

they've got this in common: my favorite Benatar and Nicks songs need synths ("I Can't Wait," "Stand Back," "Invincible").

Benatar also never exhibited any real rock star quirks or lived the kinda rock star life Nicks did -- she was a classically trained opera/vocal student, she met her future husband while recording her first album and they've been together like 40 years now, etc., etc. Lifestyle-wise she's nowhere near as "interesting."

That said, she's a tremendous vocalist with an incredible range even now. I've always been a fan of hers. ("Precious Time" and "Little Too Late" are way underrated tracks of hers.) (Also her longtime drummer was named Myron Grombacher, which is the least likely rock name around.)

I wonder if she lurks here and rn is thinking "finnaaaallllyy it's my time"

maybe if the next HAIM album has a "Benatar vibe" to it

http://49.media.tumblr.com/76e54d8400251404189d068fc48e72a1/tumblr_neaqitaUoJ1roul0do5_400.gif

I've been digging deep and listening to thousands of past Billboard charting singles over the past several months, and certain artists I'd formerly overlooked have stood out as ones that I would now like to go deeper with. Pat Benatar is one, for sure. Stevie Nicks not so much.

https://media.giphy.com/media/jH26Hv9cxcpb2/giphy.gif

When Coachella style moves from flowing blouses to leather miniskirts, she'll have her day.

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Im still waiting for ppls hair to look like that again

I'm still waiting for people to act like that again

xp Come here to NE Ohio and go to any bar in the south Cleveland suburbs, you'll see that hair on every 3rd woman.

she seems to fall more in the 80s Heart cluster (which I also love) to my non-millenial ears.
or, put another way 'Stand Back'>'Shadows of the Night'>'Nothin at all'.

also, her early albums look like Billy Joel records.

Noted elsewhere, but her collaborator husband is an excellent guitarist.

This is fantastic people, thank you. Millennials, please do your best to expose your peers to Ms. Benatar because like La Bel Age, only our love will remain.

"Shadows of the Night" video has Judge Reinhold and Bill Paxton. Who showed up in Stevie's videos? Mick? Sad!

#votetrump

Also, this is a topic for another day but I am still waiting for the hipster reappraisal of Ray Parker Junior. Few writers have more insight into modern romance.

do you demand proof? Look no further than There's More Than One Way To Love a Woman.

Back on thread, Sex as a Weapon is like a Daily Beast think piece put to music.

Ray Parker, Jr.'s the man. He's never gone away. His comp is one of the '80s best.

I listened to Raydio's "You Can't Change That" like every single day for months when I was 10.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kxpsvW2gAE

Noted elsewhere, but her collaborator husband is an excellent guitarist.

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, April 29, 2016 11:30 AM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he gets co-headliner billing on her live shows now, it's weird

You gotta listen to this stalker anthem all the way through to the end:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eVxUBz-_KI

Her greatest hits record is just as strong as Stevie's

uh, no

If you're talking solo Stevie, it's not that scandalous a position to take.

I am a millennial and have never met a person in my life who knows or cares who tf Steve nicks is

a college girlfriend used to boast of having egged stevie nicks' house; i was a little shocked

I shrinkwrapped her Miata once.

i knew a dude in college who sold her cough syrup on the low

"Stand Back" is an amazing song, one of the decade's best.

gonna repost:

Stevie Nicks: Let me state this here and now: We did not have a sexual relationship--I did not let that happen.

Details: How did you meet?

Stevie Nicks: When we were recording "Stand Back" I decided to be really blatant and call Prince up and tell him that I had been inspired to write the song while listening to "Little Red Corvette." I told him that I figured my song was half his. He came over to the studio where I was recording and listened to it--as I turned extremely white and started to shake. Then he walked over to the piano and put on a really incredible keyboard track. And not only did Prince make it up right on the spot, he played it with only two fingers. Then he left.

Details: Did you see him again?

Stevie Nicks: Yes, when I was on the road a year or so later. I was sick, and Prince brought some cough syrup up to my hotel room. He was sweet--he walked around the room folding things, fluffing pillows, tidying up in general. Then he gave me a spoon of it himself. But when I asked for another spoonful he changed--he said, "I didn't come all the way up here just to get you hooked on another substance!" Then he left.

Details: Do you still see him?

Stevie Nicks: No. I was at the premiere of Purple Rain, and in the scene where he slaps Apollonia I freaked and had to go sit in the bathroom. Afterward I went back to see him, and when he asked why I'd left, I had to tell him, "When you popped Apollonia, it kinda popped my brain." He looked at me like it just killed him. We've never spoken since. (sighs) It’s a shame, really...we were alike in so many ways.

Details: Such as?

Stevie Nicks: Well, for one thing, we both liked wearing black chiffon around the house.

Beyonce think pieces

I kind of assumed these were all written by middle-aged people but I also thought the oldest millennials were born in the mid-80s.

lemme not miss an opportunity to plug "in-betweenials" as the descriptor for those born b/w like '78 and '83.

the thread premise is off - the kids don't love solo artist stevie nicks, they love fleetwood mac stevie nicks. the love for FM nicks is so deep that the appreciation extends to respect for her solo material when it happens to be playing or she's on tv or something. but when it's time to dance they're not putting bella donna on, they're putting on rumours or s/t FM or tusk.

i know this because these kids are all over my lawn

idk my experience with this phenomenon is mostly women under 30 seriously getting down to "Stand Back"

"Stop Draggin' My Heart Around" is a semi-regular karaoke fave.

get off my lawn!

Then he gave me a spoon of it himself. But when I asked for another spoonful he changed--he said, "I didn't come all the way up here just to get you hooked on another substance!" Then he left.

oh shit reading that made me cry. recent events and all.

i totally sold two huey lewis records to the youngs today...

i do sell pat records to the youngs too but nowhere near the numbers of solo stevie.

i'm waiting for everyone to come around on CCR

i went thru a Tusk phase but wore it out pretty quickly. "That's All for Everyone" is one of my favorite songs ever, but I can't even listen to it anymore. Listened to it every day for a year and a half. Need a tolerance break.

Nicks had the good sense to evoke the timeless appeal of weyward sisters on a blasted heath. Benatar was all primary stripes and latex, and doomed to date much faster.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HSINgJISs8I/TXdpUEmChTI/AAAAAAAAFFs/bKn6w_EXO0c/s1600/cover_inyourdreams_800.jpg

https://colorsnw.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/pb.jpg

Not a milennial. Love both but SN is just a better songwriter no? Pat is good party music but there isn't much else in there. The kind of emotion in some of Nicks' songs feels much more personal and less trendy to me.

Lol, Sanpaku.

a college girlfriend used to boast of having egged stevie nicks' house; i was a little shocked

― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Friday, April 29, 2016 12:57 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

whaaat this the opposite of cool

I feel like if you asked people (with no prior knowledge) to guess which one covered Wuthering Heights, most people would guess wrong.

Pat Benatar released a lot more picture discs than Stevie Nicks, you'd think that would count for something with vinyl loving millenials

http://shop.totallyvinyl.com/img/uploads/images/patbenatar/PAT_BENATAR_SHADOW_OF_THE_NIGHT_PICTURE_DISC_SHAPE.jpg

http://shop.totallyvinyl.com/img/uploads/images/patbenatar/PAT_BENATAR_LIVE_FROM_EARTH_PICTURE_DISC_LP.jpg

my introduction to Benatar was my parents picture disc version of Best Shots

there's an argument in the comments under the youtube video of "Anxiety (Get Nervous)" about whether the dwarf in the video is the guy from Game Of Thrones (it isn't)

yet there are no planned biopics or memes or snapchat discussions. Why not goddamnit?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!

google is suggesting that there are quite a few people out there who have named their cat "Cat Benatar", I don't know if that counts as a meme

fwiw, i have been corresponding on and off over the last year with a middle-aged swedish guy who is a laura branigan super-fan.

benatar gets millennial love at karaoke nights, not that this is an entirely uncondescending form of love.

― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Friday, 29 April 2016 15:01

^^

+ Tim/Brad pointed out this recent cover of "We Belong" on the Wye Oak thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWlP5rCXWmA

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/88412/love-is-a-battlefield-dance-o.gif

The real question is: why is Kate Bush not considered above Stevie Nicks amongst American millenials?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOGC-YGXj_8

where is the love for patty smyth you lousy bums?

shooting at the walls of heartache BANG BANG

I'll be the first (maybe only one) to admit it: I don't get Patti Smith.

It also took me a while to get PJ Harvey and I like her but don't get why she's so important for some.

Noted elsewhere, but her collaborator husband is an excellent guitarist.

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, April 29, 2016 11:30 AM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he gets co-headliner billing on her live shows now, it's weird

― ejemplo (crüt), Friday, April 29, 2016 11:50 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol i worked a corporate event a year or two back where they were the featured musical entertainment, and i remember the speakers were instructed very specifically to refer to them as Pat Benatar And Neil "Spyder" Giraldo, which cracked me up because where the hell did that nickname come from? i watched the Benatar episode of Behind The Music and knew all about Giraldo's role in her career but they never called the dude "Spyder"!

as far as Benatar being 'cool with millenials,' for what it's worth "We Belong" is one of my favorite songs of hers and i feel like it's had a little revival lately. aside from the aforementioned Wye Oak cover, it was sung in Pitch Perfect 2 and a recent episode of "The Last Man On Earth."

lmao @ Spyder

btw my favorite part of Benatar's Behind The Music is Dave Marsh enthusing "She's still sexy. She was on Oprah recently..."

http://www.rocksbackpages.com/public/img/writers/829.jpg

The real question is: why is Kate Bush not considered above Stevie Nicks amongst American millenials?

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, April 30, 2016 5:03 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh she absolutely is. Kate Bush is a deity. At least among art school kids.

The real question is: why is Kate Bush not considered above Stevie Nicks amongst American millenials?

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, April 30, 2016 5:03 AM

Stevie Nicks has outsold Kate Bush in America by a factor of 100; it makes sense that she's better known. College radio kids love Kate Bush though.

where is the love for patty smyth you lousy bums?

I'll be the first (maybe only one) to admit it: I don't get Patti Smith.

These are not the same person.

And I definitely prefer the former to the latter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQwH3Kib52U

Ray Parker, Jr.'s the man. He's never gone away. His comp is one of the '80s best.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, April 29, 2016 11:41 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The '82 GH or Chartbusters from '84? I'm inclined to check out the latter because I'm really digging "I Still Can't Get Over Loving You."

this is a valid question for multiple generations because Pat Benatar has a made a lot of fucking awesome records that deserve the kind of breathless euphoria that Stevie gets, not that Stevie doesn't deserve it but We Belong is a masterpiece and she's got like eight or nine more in that class

i grew up while both were super huge and ive alwas hated pat benatar's music/voice and always loved stevie. even when i was a kid i could see that pat was kind of faking the funk personality/style wise while stevie was more "genuine" and staying true to her witchy ways.

this is a valid question for multiple generations because Pat Benatar has a made a lot of fucking awesome records that deserve the kind of breathless euphoria that Stevie gets, not that Stevie doesn't deserve it but We Belong is a masterpiece and she's got like eight or nine more in that class

Benatar has a 20-track greatest hits that fucking destroys.

even when i was a kid i could see that pat was kind of faking the funk personality/style wise

I guess??? don't really gaf about which one i relate to personally, but musically Pat kinda brings the pain to Stevie's totally excellent but undeniably limited palette

Too many of those early Benatar rockers bore me as much as Nicks' bland California rock. Bother benefited from the New Wave injections.

Hey millennials

Stevie Nicks captures popular imagination more than Pat Benatar, with the whole romantic myth and legend thing she's got going on. Torrid relationship with "mad genius" Lindsey Buckingham, witch queen aesthetic, etc.

Alfred wtf you gotta get down w this it's the business

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojOuYdtMzXc

was reminded of this song earlier today and it's amazing how many absolutely classic singles she recorded. "the things one forgets" and whatnot.

"we live for love" (1979)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD8TCo2QW6U

slowdive should cover it.

Pat really tipped her cards on the East Coast tough-chick-image by getting Broadway as New Wave petered out.