Classic or dud: Baz Luhrman

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There's an article in the new Sight&Sound on Baz Luhrman's forthcoming musical 'Moulin Rouge'. It makes it all sound jolly interesting (although 'set' in the 19th century, it features characters singing classic pop songs from the last 40 years in what appears to be quite a witty way). After seeing the over-egged farrago (can you over-egg a farrago?.. never mind) that was 'William Shakespeare's Romeo+Juliet' I figured Luhrman as the camp person's Tarantino - flash but hollow - but it looks like I may have to revise my opinion. What do you think?

stevie t, Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Not sure how we can assess him without seeing "Moulin Rouge," ;) but it still sounds hollow and flash to me, and, you're right, this "camp" juxtaposition is his only trick: Ballroom dancing and ABBA, Shakespeare and South Beach/disco, floral commencement speech and downbeat-backed staid delivery, and now this new thing. I'd like to think it will be a bit more than an idea and spectacle, but I don't have much hope.

scott p., Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Farrago = mixed fodder for cattle

So yes, you can — and owing to the binding effect, it will make the pastures safer to walk in, also. Hurrah!!

mark s, Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Although I would say Dud without question having seen that Romeo and Juliet movie, I think the Sunscreen song was actually pretty good as screaming satire. Check the last few lines:

"Be careful whose advice you buy, but, be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it’s worth. "

I read it as undercutting the entire speech, and making fun of how useless graduation pieces really are. If you read it this way, the whimsical tone of the rest of the piece really seems more like a vicious parody. Or perhaps I'm crazy.

Dave M., Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The "Sunscreen" lyrics were taken verbatim from a Chicago Tribune column by Mary Schmich, so although I agree with you, I'm not sure that Baz should get the credit.

scott p., Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Good point. My question is, do you think people got this out of the song? Most people I know hated it a lot.

Dave M., Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sorry, Dave. Work. No, I would think that, on the contrary, a sense of nostalgia is one reason why people liked the song in the first place.

scott p., Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Okay, Baz Luhrman did not write the words to Sunscreen, however he did think of setting it to music. He equally did not write Romeo + Juliet (that plus is mighty important) but he did think of setting it to music (well, okay there have been a couple of operatic versions not to mention the cack handed - dramatically - West Side Story). I think it might be a bit too glib to suggest that Luhrman's films are all style over substance, that's fair enough if there is little substance, but when its Shakespeare - albeit one of Shakespeares worst - that accusation is less easy to qualify. I certainly thought the use of music in that was exceptional.

I certainly think Luhrmann is an interesting director, and Moulin rouge sounds like the real deal - a proper musical. Yes there might be touches of po-mo irony in there, but I doubt it. To see a full technicolour spectacular with singing, dancing and glorious sets and clobber - well its frankly refreshing. Here on ILM a while ago there was a pretty universal like of musicals, and here we have a musical making use of the music we equally love (apparently the Kidman Like A Virgin rendition is very sleazy). However I have no doubt that Moulin Rouge will probably be flash but hollow, but I like a bit of flash every now and then.

That said, do we really need another version of Lady Marmalade? With Christina Agulleira on it?

Pete, Friday, 18 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No. We don't. And quite frankly it's unforgivable that he's responsible for such a thing. I mean, jesus, just use All Saints version already, it only came out like what, two years ago?

It's all well and good that Baz Luhrman thought of the idea of putting the sunscreen speech to music, but ideas are only useful if they are good, and quite frankly I think it was a poor idea, or at least a very poorly executed one. I've never been more bored by a song in my life. It's just got this out of a box music backing going, something out of Pure Moods II, slightly speeded up, and the annoyed voice just doesn't come off at all right. It's just cheeseheaded. Novel, sure - but I can't abide that being novel is good in and of itself, and for me that's all that song is.

As for his films...well, I regard Romeo + Juliet as one of the worst films of the '90s, though it's unfair to blame this on Luhrman because I absolutely loathe Romeo and Juliet, I hated West Side Story (which is all this was, without the singing), I can't stand Leo DiCaprio, and Claire Danes is the most evil person alive. It was pretty much doomed to failure in my eyes from like the day it was thought up.

So I suppose this is me calling him a dud, because I think of him as an annoying flashboy who doesn't even execute his flash very well. However, I'm more than willing to give him one more chance with Moulin Rouge because it just sounds so bizarre, plus, Ewan McGregor, hello. So I'm not quite calling him a dud yet.

Ally, Friday, 18 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

In defence of R+J, I first saw it behind the counter in a vid shop, catching years later in the right context I noticed why it did not survive it's translation to the video. The subtle nuances that made it so effective in the cinema were undermined by the small screen format: the deliberate use of TV language in a widescreen context, blowing, what we're accustomed to seeing flicking through channels (news footage, promos etc), out of proportion in the enforced closure of the cinema. Though this didn't make it anything more than an 90's artifact, an interesting diversion.
But I look forward to avoiding Moulin Rouge on first release, letting it ferment for a couple of years, then catching it when it's deliciously out-of-date. Hmmm, this was all supposed to be heading towards a re-appraisal of Kraftwerk's Computer World, but it's a bit tenuous. So I'll cut to the chase. I value the anacronistic qualities of work that is very much 'of it's time' that doesn't directly make reference to the period from which it's style is derived (i.e. Absolute Beginners, Jesus Christ Superstar or stylistic period films in general). But Moulin looks like it mixes things up so much, I've no doubt it will be facinating. In fact, this is perhaps the only reason I would see it.

K-reg, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Romeo + Juliet is a brilliant film. So spectacular and downright beautiful it manages to distract you from mealy mush the actors are speaking. Now name another Shakespere film that manages to do that.

Bluegerm, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

um, orson welles' adaptation of macbeth?

ethan, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Forbidden Planet

mark s, Sunday, 20 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My Own Private Idaho

K-reg, Sunday, 20 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Throne of Blood.

Andrew L, Sunday, 20 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ran. who can understand those japanese!!!

fred solinger, Sunday, 20 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one month passes...
I don't know if any of you have actually seen Moulin Rouge yet, but I've seen it three times now and I think it is an amazing and beautiful film that deserves respect. You should not judge a movie based on a director's previous films because people get better as they gain experience, so I think it pesimistic to hate a movie before it even comes out. It is not "making fun of our beloved songs" it puts them in a different light so we can appreciate them in new ways. Take Your Song for example. It definitely has a different tone to it in Moulin Rouge which adds a more simple and romantic note (and, I must say, Ewan McGregor does it justice). Most people don't like musicals because they say they're chessy. By taking songs we already know and like and incorporating them into a story, we should be able to appreciate the story and how the songs add to it so that it isn't just another cheesy musical. Baz Luhrman should be given credit for taking chances and for breaking the norm. There are not many films as bizarre as Moulin Rouge, and Luhrman is brave in putting it out there. He has an incredible sense for color and cinematography. Angles and mirrors and flashes engulf you into a world unlike any we've known and when it is put to creative music and an emotional story and the film is truly an artistic masterpiece.

kat t., Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I saw Moulin Rouge and it was a great movie. Not only does it hold your interest from start to finish, but it is both funny and touching. It runs like a Shakespeare play, and manages to use popular music in a way I've never seen. In short, I wanted to be entertained, and I was. What more can anybody ask for from entertainment? It's a form of art, which as we all know, is very subjective.

D L, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two weeks pass...
I think MOULIN ROUGE is the best movie i have ever seen! It's such a beautifl romance. You come ut feeling like you just wanna love everyone . It reall ymakes you beleive that "The Greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and to be loved in return".I am on my 16th time seeing it, and i plan on going back. I am already on the waiting list at DVDNOW.com for when it hits DVD.

MDN (Tobias6312@aol.co

Matthew D. Nooe, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

hanley, you related to this guy? your style seems reall y similar.

ethan, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one month passes...
Moulin Rouge was a spectacular work of art! It isn't supposed to have substance ... it's a musical. Did Grease have substance? And for that matter, even though it isn't supposed to be substantive, it is. It's a beautiful love story with a tragic ending that moves one to tears. Baz Luhrman is innovative and creative. His movies only get better with age as well. I've seen R + J over 30 times and plan to watch Moulin Rouge just as many.

The goal of a movie is to entertain ... and I've never been more entertained by any other pair of movies. I like being transported to fantastic dreamworlds, set to beautiful soundtracks. And that is exactly what Luhrman has done for me, twice.

Tara, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

three months pass...
Romeor and Juliet inspired my young daughter to read other books from Shakespeare. Thank goodness that she saw the movie as she would still have been reading "Fear Street" books!!!! The book and movie has inspired her so much that she is now pursuing a career in teaching. She just saw Moulin Rouge and enjoyed that as well.

lisa cruz, Saturday, 5 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Has that inspired her to change her plans and become a dissolute fin de siecle wastrel?

N., Sunday, 6 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

six months pass...
I've seen Moulin Rouge countless numbers of times now.. and it only gets better each time I saw it.. With every viewing I discover new things inside the movie.. and its just a brilliant piece of work.. So.. as to the whole Classic or dud thing.. Baz is neither.. Baz is "Spectacular, Spectacular".. but moreover.. a genius.

Matt Fredericks, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

six years pass...

Saw Australia today and was kinda surprised shocked that I liked it.

Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Sunday, 30 November 2008 03:54 (seventeen years ago)

I liked "She's So High"

terrible, gay, necro, house, music (Curt1s Stephens), Sunday, 30 November 2008 03:55 (seventeen years ago)

i fucking hate moulin rouge

No HOOS need a steen whoppin (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 30 November 2008 04:22 (seventeen years ago)

only slightly more than i hate its fanbase

No HOOS need a steen whoppin (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 30 November 2008 04:22 (seventeen years ago)

'orrible

Passenger 57 (rogermexico.), Sunday, 30 November 2008 20:00 (seventeen years ago)

seven years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zejyzr5vW3A

(please no long guns of any kind) (Eazy), Wednesday, 6 January 2016 19:38 (nine years ago)

six years pass...

I saw the Elvis movie this afternoon--my first Baz Luhrman film. Some of the music's good, especially later stuff (performed by the actor? I assume so), a few hysterical scenes, good recreation of Little Richard, a typically conflated timeline (the Tate murders, Altamont, and "Burning Love" seem to happen simultaneously--not really a big deal), well-chosen end-credit song. I found Tom Hanks to be a major annoyance. I assume the real Colonel spoke like that, because I can't see why you'd make him sound like a cartoon Nazi otherwise.

clemenza, Saturday, 25 June 2022 23:08 (three years ago)

Apparently he did not!

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 26 June 2022 00:08 (three years ago)


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