Frank Ocean, 'Boys Don't Cry'

At long, long last.

maybe he's learned to sing better

I always feel insane when I remember he came up with Odd Future.

for some reason in the wake of stuff like D'Angelo's return and Kendrick and Chance and Maxwell I... kinda don't give a fuck about this guy anymore?

not to mention that in 2012 Miguel, Usher, Keyshia Cole, and Jeremih had all released more consistent material.

for some reason in the wake of stuff like D'Angelo's return and Kendrick and Chance and Maxwell I... kinda don't give a fuck about this guy anymore?

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 2, 2016 12:28 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

i only listen to three artists too fuck..........

I have limited resources of $$$ and attention so yes I narrow things down

great thread guys

great album

jk

https://pics.onsizzle.com/Instagram-Frank-Oceans-new-album-track-list-1ee277.png

lol

so where is it

so many goofy roll-outs this year

honestly dude should've never given any sort of release date. ppl would still wonder but no one would be mad bc no one would've had prior expectations of its existence, a la d'angelo.

at least the conversation topic is no longer "i don't care about this dude because usher exists"

lol it more or less still is on certain parts of twitter, believe you me

http://pitchfork-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/content/Slack%20for%20iOS%20Upload-1.png.jpeg

https://twitter.com/SociaIizing/status/761652809645322240

This album is never coming out

honestly dude should've never given any sort of release date

did he ever actually give a release date?

no, just the new york times iirc

i mean people were more or less leaving him alone to do the album on his own schedule for almost 3 years after Channel Orange before he put up a tumblr post in april of last year implying that it was coming out in july, which a FO rep confirmed to billboard. so yeah he set off all this stuff himself, even if the reaction has been ridiculous.

in all likelihood it is imminent because apple music (one assumes? hopes?) would not have shelled out the exclusivity agreement money plus the funding for this bizarro livestream without some reasonable assurance that it would come out sometime after the whole art project. but it'll come out at some entirely arbitrary moment.

yeah Frank Ocean would never take a large sum of money from a corporation and then just not deliver what he agreed to give them

http://pitchfork.com/news/54297-frank-ocean-to-chipotle-fuck-off/

from what i've heard apple expected to have the album by friday & is baffled/frustrated that he didn't deliver it

if he does Apple like he did Chipotle he truly is the new God

Jimmy Iovine frantically redialing Frank's number all morning.

yeah Frank Ocean would never take a large sum of money from a corporation and then just not deliver what he agreed to give them

http://pitchfork.com/news/54297-frank-ocean-to-chipotle-fuck-off/
--Best Beloved Trump-Pence (some dude)

a jingle for an ad campaign is, ah, substantially different from an album that (you'd think) he was going to make anyway, but w/e

but if he returns the check and is like fuck y'all, then there you go

i was joking, i don't think he's really gonna not deliver the album. just saying, Frank has a history of 'i play by my own rules' shenanigans.

so where is it

over there

go listen to Fantasia, people.

you mean franktasia

this is happening

http://boysdontcry.co/

A play-by-play for this is kind of hard because it's all a shapeless blur...

oh ffs frankie

actual music is playing

it sounds...pretty good?

I've been meaning to fuck with you on ILM

I'm watching the terminator

feel like frank would want it this way

there's some really good stuff in here but alas ilm is over the man another casualty of 2016 rip

idk I think I can wait until he's not drilling over playback

sometimes i'm not sure who ilm isn't over (except, inexplicably tbh, the 1975)

Be careful on that scaffolding, Frank!

"it" is on Apple Music now

Rolling Stone has confirmed that Endless is a different project from Boys Don't Cry, the singer's highly-anticipated follow-up to 2012's Channel Orange. Apple will release that album this weekend.

lol at the last track of this

lol @ how do I crop your new bitch out my vine

true, on this forum

not everyone has to love him but there's a weird suspicion of the motives of ppl who do that runs through the various threads here

No love for ‘Siegfried’?

it's good

skits aside it's all good

and as far as skits go... I don't even skip em

the andre 3000 song on here is so jarring and awful, i skip that every time. worse than any of the skits

m frank scepticism is depressing. not enough kids on here

― nothing (Left),

this place is a most welcome oasis from the suffocating Ocean praise I see elsewhere!

https://i.redd.it/eh80gjhu34j11.jpg

if mild criticism of frank ocean bothers you so much, may i suggest you go to literally anyplace else on the internet?

as I said it's the suspicion of motives that is strange and sometimes ugly. other threads show this attitude has been consistent even when charges have changed (earlier mentions filtered through the ludicrous hipster R&B wars of the early 10s which was exclusively a hipster civil war)

I find the constant suspicion both suspicious and sad next to the enthusiasm and generosity extended towards absolute bullshit like vampire weekend and the 1975 during the same period. it's clearly generational to a large extent

vampire weekend suck

that sure is a lot of words to say "i don't know how to process opinions that differ from mine"

40something for Blond on the 2016 album poll is pretty wild

then again, i've seen your posts on ile so idk what i was expecting

xp

3 points, related

the subtext is that frank ocean and/or his popularity is essentially fradulent in some way

there are some pretty obvious things motivating this attitude, which comparisons with contemporary artists more beloved by ILM make clear

i also think it would be nice if there were younger people here but other people clearly don't agree

why do you care

I don't understand your obsession here with ILM discourse. Some like Ocean, some don't, he's worth discussing.

i also think it would be nice if there were younger people here but other people clearly don't agree

― nothing (Left), Thursday, March 11, 2021 6:21 PM (three minutes ago)

are you gonna do some outreach?

three more points

the opinions actually expressed in this thread are quite varied, from j0rdan's unreserved praise, to brad's skepticism evolving into genuine love, to alfred's stating his preference of jeremih, miguel, etc. all of these are opinions very much in character, nothing nefarious here

"the kids" aren't always right about music, and "popularity with the youth" isn't an inherent argument for music's worthiness. furthermore, the under-40s on this thread have varying opinions (i loved loved loved channel orange when i was 22 and it came out, when blonde came out i was 26 and skeptical)

i'm not gonna even acknowledge your third point, because it's becoming clear that you're just a troll who refuses to actually read the posts in this and other threads and engage critically

think of frank ocean as mainly a millennial phenomenon. orange came out in 2012

might be wrong

j0rdan's praise wasn't entirely unreserved, ignore that adjective

xp. might be wrong about the former, not the latter, lol

no it's ok i have very little reservation about praising frank ocean

probably young enough to count as a 'kid' here (i am 25, pretty sure i'm one of the youngest active posters?) and while channel orange was quite good, blonde was one of the most frustrating albums released last decade. it has plenty of fantastic moments, but it's also incredibly inconsistent and fragmented, a lot of what it's trying to do just doesn't work at all for me. and endless is just not very good. it's felt like the mythology around him has long outgrown the actual music

are you going to complain about ilm not liking say, the life of pablo or kids see ghosts enough too idk

no they're shit

endless is very good though

I did this podcast where we were talking about him and I listened for a couple weeks to both albums a lot and definitely "got" it in a new way that i hadn't before

though I guess I came away with the non-majority opinion that Channel Orange > Blonde but I liked both

it has a very "California" vibe that I'm a sucker for

My partner on the episode was a younger millennial and she talked about hearing Orange and getting really into him and then waiting on line at a special in store event for Blonde and feeling like that record was a really special thing in her life

which talking to her about it made me like it more in a way

blonde was a very important record for a lot of people my age, and i did eventually appreciate it, but as evidenced by my posts in this thread, it took a little time.

voodoo I hope you like frank ocean the correct amount

xps well you can make exactly the same case that it's just generational that ilm doesn't like tlop and ksg so if you want the frank sceptics to engage you should probably at least try to sell people on his merits rather than complaining about a generational divide

channel orange is >>> to me but it's also a top 5 record of the 2010s for me easy

i haven't put blonde on for a while... it's kind of a morose record, largely about isolation and disaffection... it's kind of a whole thing to put it on for me. i guess channel orange is about those things too but it has that sun dappled california feel and character driven songs so it's easier to just put on

voodoo I hope you like frank ocean the correct amount

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, March 11, 2021 6:40 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

blonde, more like goldilocks

xpost jord that was it for me, like blonde seemed like a deeper record but I don't really want to be in that headspace compared to orange

xpost kanye is 43 I feel like ppl forget his age

43 year old 3 year old

loved ocean's prior work but blonde, even after multiple listens, is just a nonstarter for me.

Looks like no one really said anything about "DHL" when it was posted upthread, but the second half of that track is incredibly addictive, my favorite thing he's done in rap mode. Really seemed like a new album was coming soon coming soon, don't know what happened

I’m 50 and I still adore Blond, it was a very important record to me at the time, flaws and all. So impatient for the next one, which I thought was about to drop at the start of 2020.

frank ocean is the most overrated and overvalued pop singer in a long time.

and he's still able to manage at least two or three songs every album that are complete smashes. so idk.

i'm an old white man, btw.

you'd be mad to pull frank to bits. what is to criticize? coolest contemporary voice in music. his vocal alone is enough to warrant status. blonde, i can't think of a better full length from the last decade that's so of its time...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qKP32GYiks

still think Nikes is not a good song tho

― guardians of the gums: i am tooth (voodoo chili), Saturday, August 25, 2018 1:50 PM (two years ago) bookmarkflaglink

RIP Pepsi

you'd be mad to pull frank to bits. what is to criticize? coolest contemporary voice in music. his vocal alone is enough to warrant status. blonde, i can't think of a better full length from the last decade that's so of its time.

RIP criticism

i mean cool, opinions, good, i wanna hear you tell me what's bad about it. it's deliberately fragmented, confused, emotional, delicate. aloof... it's a fine self-portrait. feels like an elliott smith record to me or something - i'd say that without the sample in there, too

The bloodline to singer-songwriter stuff is exactly what puts me off, actually, so otm.

or, as i like to say: one man's trash is another man's less smelly trash.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61fhqJRhbhL._SY355_.jpg

i rest my case.