Anti Pop Consortium - S/D

all i need is "3 digit wiz" and "mechanic robotic"

heard their Shopping Carts Crashing japan-only release? some golden stuff there - "angular", "tilt", "throat cultures", "sugar worm", "basix".

I've only heard "The Tragic Epilogue" which I thought was really good, a lot of interesting ideas.

Then I listened to the Jungle Brothers "J. Beez Wit the Remedy" and I realized most of those ideas are 10 years old.

Still good ideas though.

"those ideas" are what exactly?

........but the story doesn't stop there, they're each highly talented with solo albums to follow.

""those ideas" are what exactly? "

Skittering, cut-up beats with the occasional genuinely funky old-school head-nodder thrown in, super dense lyrical abstraction, positing themselves as anti-commercial/anti-mainstream/anti-pop, etc., nonsensical songtitles (compare: "Sllab", "3 Digit Wiz" vs. "Blahbludify", "For the Headz at Company Z"). Musings about the sorry state of mainstream rap ("Book of Rhyme Pages" vs. "Nude Paper"). I could go on and on...

Compare "PSA2" to "Blahbludify". Same concepts, slightly different executions. They're even at the same spot (track 5) on both records.

track 5!! "nonsensical songtitles"!!! of course!!!

and of course abstraction is clearly a "thing" in common right. abstraction is a 10 yr old idea that APC copied

anyway whatever this thing you have with concepts etc etc THEY SOUND NOTHING ALIKE

but hey pat yrself on the back for the "er, actually guys..." namecheck

whoah there. Setting the "concepts" aside, I think they sound remarkably alike. How to argue this point, I'm not sure. All caps doesn't convince me.

Take my above example of PSA2 vs. Blahbludify. PSA2 opens with the echo-ey drums with no discernible rhythym, then the main drum machine loop comes in over the top, gets juggled, scratched around until the main beat is lost, brought back, turned into another beat entirely, and lost again. Blahbludify starts with a scratchy bass loop, then the kick and snare loop comes in, static squeals cut in and out as the drum loop slows down, speeds up, becomes unrecognizeable, repeats, etc. Clearly similar production techniques are being used... Both tracks are fairly minimal beat excercises, they're drawing on the same musical vocabulary (juggled drum breaks, static, noise, disorienting the listener, etc.) I don't know how much more specific I can get, I feel silly even having to break it down to this level. But I don't know how else to explain how something sounds like something else.

That being said, I don't think Anti-Pop are ripping off the JBz or anything, it's just that they aren't as unconventional or unprecedented as a lot of people seem to think.

but the whole thing is to do with yr idea of "ideas" ie if they're not ripping the jbeez off (like you intimated in yr 1st post btw) then that leaves you saying

"well yeah but they weren't the first ones to be uh... WEIRD you know"

"clearly similar production techniques were used"

i mean yes yes zzz it's instrumental beats with extra stuff on top but there's whole galaxies of difference to interrogate there rather than just lump together under abstract. like that dj shadow/rjd2/groove armada/ fatboy slim thread elsewhere

beans LP out 22nd feb btw