Kiss vs VU

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(a) 'Asylum' vs 'Mistrial' vs 'Artificial Intelligence'. Or alt alt, wigs vs mullets.

(b) "Cold Gin" vs "Waiting for my Man" in the squalid oblivion department. 'CG' wins because 'WfmM' goes on for too fuckin' long and 'CG' is more realistic with the verisimilitude lyrically. When LR's junkie fixes he says "I feel so good, I feel so fine" (what is this, Up With People? Plus I saw some really old goths busking it in the tube station today, definite bad sign), while Kiss' drunk says, realistically drunk-like, "Get me back on my oooouuuuuuaaaggggghhhhhh". Also, "Goin' Blind" beats "Venus in Furs" in the pervy department, nobody cares about S&M anymore. On the VU side, "European Son" isn't QUITE as boring, endless and a likely cause of unidentified flying stereos as "100,000 Years" (PERFECT SELF-REVIEW!!! Ha ha ha!)

(c) Altho I still can't make up my mind and decide between "Heard Her Call My Name" and the live version of "C'Mon & Love Me"

(d) Breathing fire vs sacrificing chickens

(e)"(lisp)Looks like it's gonna be one of those HOT NIGHTS!" vs "Gimme an issue, I'll give you a tissue, wipe my ass with it". Actually IMO 'Take No Prisoners' is the only live LR I ever bother with. Plus I like 'Alive 2' almost as much as 1 because the studio tracks silence all the doubters about Ace Frehley's sublime lead guitar skills.

(f)"Rip, Rip, Rip & Destroy!" vs that one from 'Permanent Record'

(g)Cher v Diana Ross v Laurie Anderson v 'Rachel'

(h) Ace "I used to sniff glue. It expanded my consciousness better than acid!" Frehley vs Sterling "ahoy there mateys" Morrison. Alt ts - Eric Carr v Doug Yule, Vinnie Vincent v Nico, Peter Criss v Valerie Solanas

(i)That 'Psycho Circus' disaster (incidentally, that's an even worse title than 'The Phantom Menace', in fact they're the exact same species of suck) v 'INXS' or 'SHT' or whatever the fuck that purple album everybody's forgotten about was called

Conclusion - a plaster cast filled with so much cah-ha-ha-bbage...

― dave q, Tuesday, 5 November 2002 20:52 (twenty-three years ago)

This thread has got to be the worst thing to have been perpetrated against NYC since Ford refused to bail out the city in the 1975 bankruptcy crisis

― dave q, Tuesday, 5 November 2002 20:56 (twenty-three years ago)

This thread has got to be the worst thing to have been perpetrated against NYC since Ford refused to bail out the city in the 1975 bankruptcy crisis

― dave q, Tuesday, 5 November 2002 20:56 (twenty-three years ago)

This thread has got to be the worst thing to have been perpetrated against NYC since Ford refused to bail out the city in the 1975 bankruptcy crisis

― dave q, Tuesday, 5 November 2002 20:56 (twenty-three years ago)

As is this fucking shit-ass computer!!!

― dave q, Tuesday, 5 November 2002 20:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, but Lou Reed looks better in makeup.

― kate, Tuesday, 5 November 2002 20:57 (twenty-three years ago)

nobody cares about S&M anymore.

Nobody listens to techno either!

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 21:03 (twenty-three years ago)

is this an okay place to ask whether that "the elder" record is any good?

― jones (actual), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 21:05 (twenty-three years ago)

It's very funny but also kind of exhausting -- it's hard to listen to it all in one go.

I found a good page on The Elder:
http://www.kissasylum.com/kisstory/elder.shtml

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 21:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: "Dark Light"

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 21:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't you think "Escape from the Island" sounds a bit like the Meat Puppets?

― dave q, Tuesday, 5 November 2002 21:19 (twenty-three years ago)

I haven't played the album in a while, but you're probably right.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 21:22 (twenty-three years ago)

haha thanks JBR!!

Paul himself commented that the second album, which he had wanted to call "Elder II: War Of The Gods", was to be the heavy metal masterpiece - the conflict between good and evil in the mystical world of Morpheus and evil Mr. Blackwell, sort of a rock 'n roll T.S. Elliott saga.

"We were delusional, okay? ...I salute anybody who finds something of merit there but it was a misstep" (Paul Stanley w/ Ken
Sharp, 1998)

― jones (actual), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 21:29 (twenty-three years ago)

and evil Mr. Blackwell

Guess he didn't like their costumes.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 21:47 (twenty-three years ago)

I think there's some Dave Q thread on this album in the archives.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 21:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah yes, here it is. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 21:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Also, please note that Lou Reed has three co-songwriting credits on The Elder.

"A World Without Heroes" was created with lyrical assistance from Lou Reed, another performer Ezrin had assisted in the 1970's, who's sole input seems to have been scrawling the title of the song on a piece of paper. Originally called "Every Little Bit Of Your Heart", KISS had been working on this song before Ezrin was brought in. According to Paul, they "changed the title once Bob Ezrin thought we should do a concept album. The music worked but lyrically it didn't fall in. It became kind of a group project. By group, I mean, Lou Reed, Ezrin, Gene..." Other early versions of the song exist often appearing on bootlegs labeled "I Want You Only". Lou Reed was also appropriately involved in the darker songs on the album including "Mr. Blackwell", and he managed to get a credit on Ace's track "Dark Light" during its transition from "Don't Run".

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 21:57 (twenty-three years ago)

When did the Velvet Underground ever sacrifice a chicken?

Might you be mistaking VU for Alice Cooper?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 22:15 (twenty-three years ago)

ah, thanks ned i never bothered to search. i used to be afraid of this hearing this record, now i'm afraid of loving it.

alex, mo's floor tom was a hollowed-out cornish hen duh

― jones (actual), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 22:26 (twenty-three years ago)

John Cale sacrificed a chicken live in concert sometime in the...was it the late 70s? Method: decapitation. Anyway, didn't go over too well with his band. I think they quit immediately, prompting him to write the song "Chickenshit" in response.

― Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 23:04 (twenty-three years ago)

I am disappointed that no one has yet mentioned how truly godlike the 1978 solo Ace Freheley album is. He's the kind of guy, who likes getting high, getting high and dry, and he thinks you oughtta try...
Ooooooo......zooooooooooone.....Oooooooooo.....zoooooooooone....

― Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 23:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Because of Gene Simmon's Tongue Magazine, VU wins a billion times over.

― David Allen, Wednesday, 6 November 2002 02:42 (twenty-three years ago)

seven months pass...

Kiss vs VU

i'd say that gene simmons is one of the few rockers who could give lou reed a run for the money in the King of All Assholes contest!

― Tad (llamasfur), Wednesday, 18 June 2003 07:43 (twenty-two years ago)

'Tongue''sucks'!!! heh heh

(actually the Peter Criss interview was incredible)

― dave q, Wednesday, 18 June 2003 07:53 (twenty-two years ago)

re the eric carr v. doug yule competition. it isn't exactly fair to mr. carr, is it? i mean, gene and paul trashed KISS all by themselves w/ no assistance from eric. while lou, john, sterling and maureen were all gone when doug shat out his "yule log" (a/k/a squeeze).

― Tad (llamasfur), Wednesday, 18 June 2003 08:04 (twenty-two years ago)

"When Eric replaced Peter we didn't sound English anymore" - G Simmons (btw do you want the 'context' for that statement, or is it more interesting just being mysterious like that?)

― dave q, Wednesday, 18 June 2003 08:13 (twenty-two years ago)

four months pass...

"When Eric replaced Peter we didn't sound English anymore" - G Simmons (btw do you want the 'context' for that statement, or is it more interesting just being mysterious like that?)

context would be nice ... though standing alone, the mind boggles (which is an achievement).

― Little Big Macher (llamasfur), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 06:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Context? Certainly!

In a very long 'Vintage Guitar' interview, Gene Simmons actually talks about music, his bass playing, etc. No accident his 'melodic' style ("when the 80s came in, I was persuaded to play along with the kick drum like everyone else - no more! Fuck that!") sounds a bit McCartney-like, he was a HUGE Brit-invasion fan (cf the Dave Clark Five cover on 'Alive 2') He says that even though Peter Criss was a fuckup and everyone knew it, he thought that PC's mod-pop style (speed it up and "Deuce" could be Northern Soul!) gave them that bit of distinction from the Grand Funk Railroads on one end and NY Dolls (more 50s-rock-influenced) on the other. So when PC left, "there was the Brit Invasion thing gone", because "Eric Carr was just too into John Bonham like everybody else at the time, and it wasn't us." (Which begs the question, where the fuck was Bonham from, Lithuania?)

― dave q, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 06:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Wannabe Brits < Pretentious Americans. VU wins.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 10:50 (twenty-two years ago)

No doubt: Kiss wins easily :-)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

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