The Digitalization of Music

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I have to prepare a thesis proposal in a couple of weeks. I'm thinking about discussing the cultural effects produced by the digitalization of sound on popular music. I have a number of topics broadly pinned down.

1. The proliferation of plunderphonics online - bastardpop, bootlegging, etc.

2. The infinite reproduction of the digital, as opposed to analog decay - P2P filesharing. The formation of virtual communities like ILM with obsessive/extensive fan-knowledges as a result, possibly.

3. The virtual vapourization of the physical, and move toward re-evoking the body and the physical as a result - Herbert, Matmos, Bjork already discussed here

Anyone have any other ideas or comments that might help? Any sources that you can put me on to? It would be much appreciated.
Thanks.

Michael Dieter, Thursday, 7 November 2002 00:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Effects of mp3 players and attendant formatting capabilities on listening to/reception of music.

Ben Williams, Thursday, 7 November 2002 00:59 (twenty-three years ago)

The lack of "warmth" in the sound of both digital amps and digital recordings.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 7 November 2002 01:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Effects of mp3 players and attendant formatting capabilities on listening to/reception of music.

Yeah,

Phil Sherburne had an interesting line on that with a reading from 'The Language of New Media'.

Michael Dieter, Thursday, 7 November 2002 01:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Interesting. Although I have to say that none of the music he talks about sounds like anything I would want to spend any time listening to. I think talking about bootlegs as a form of infomerson would be more interesting--especially when I listen to a lot of them at once, or to mixes that use them, I feel like I'm trying to absorb ever greater amounts of information at ever greater speeds; not just all the different songs used in a particular set of bootlegs, but all the references they evoke too.

Ben Williams, Thursday, 7 November 2002 02:05 (twenty-three years ago)

(In other words, the people who actually think about these kinds of theories, take them literally, and produce music that in some way demonstrates them, are going to be the least interesting. The people who don't think about these kinds of theories, who take them for granted, and produce music that aims to please us whether we know about the theory or not, are going to be the most interesting.)

Ben Williams, Thursday, 7 November 2002 02:14 (twenty-three years ago)

True, I would hardly describe the examples Sherburne uses as popular.

Michael Dieter, Thursday, 7 November 2002 03:10 (twenty-three years ago)


Jerry the Nipper to thread!

the pinefox, Thursday, 7 November 2002 17:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Interesting. For why/who do you need to submit this proposal?

Here's a quick thought:

Vinyl offers a spiritual connection inherent to the listening process; CDs, disc changers, and other "mass" mediums dilute the overall impact.

christoff (christoff), Thursday, 7 November 2002 18:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Please, not the vinyl is natural/warm/pure digital is fake/cold/debased argument! Please!

Ben Williams, Thursday, 7 November 2002 18:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Ben, I'm talking not about the auditory responce, i'm talking about the listening experience. DVD-Audio will have the capacity for something like 18 hours of music. The listening process is different; the individual flavors will get lost in a compote of "greatest hits". I reference vinyl only as a comparative example.

christoff (christoff), Thursday, 7 November 2002 18:24 (twenty-three years ago)

You said "spiritual." That sets off my alarm bells ;)

I agree roughly with the way you differentiate the listening experience, but not the negative characterization.

Ben Williams, Thursday, 7 November 2002 18:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Wasn't someone -- maybe Tim? -- saying a while back that it was precisely the strict format of the gangsta-rap persona that allowed people to do such interesting things within it? I think some of the same function is in place with LPs: the rigid traditionalist "classic" constraints about sides and running orders and art and such allowed people to play off of them in ways that the open-ended flexibility of new modes don't, really. Which isn't to say vinyl was better, or anything -- I'm glad the new modes exist and tend to listen to more CDs and mp3s than records. But I think that was one thing about the LP format that lends itself to this sort of totemic status.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 7 November 2002 20:02 (twenty-three years ago)

To me the good things about the trad album are:

a) all the work is done for you; sometimes I don't want to choose my own track order, or figure out which tracks to skip; I just want to be immersed in someone's aesthetic vision

b) it has the same virtues of though-out sequencing as a good mixtape; one song is supposed to follow the next in a certain order because they work that way

c) it's concise; really, how many people can sustain for 70 straight minutes? Not nearly as many as can manage 35 or so (or to reference the reason for CD running times, not everything is Beethoven's Ninth)

Ben Williams, Thursday, 7 November 2002 20:09 (twenty-three years ago)

I like nabisco/Tim's comment on the lack of constraint in the digital format actually constraining creativity... of course I wouldnt want to defend it.

What is the narrow question/hypothesis of your thesis?

Is it just the medium itself..or the way that medium gives an opportunity to be distributed more easily..

insectifly (insectifly), Thursday, 7 November 2002 20:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Let me also submit the "State of the Art" in film; IMAX offers more visual possibilities, but how many have taken advantage of the format and offered a truly revolutionary vision?

christoff (christoff), Thursday, 7 November 2002 20:38 (twenty-three years ago)

The death of the tube amp in this century. Not a total "death of the tube", but it will be extremely marginalized in the mass market. The best-selling amps today are solid-state "digital" amps. There will continue to be "boutique" amps for purist.

There will always be audiophiles and purists with their vinyl collection.

Will there be blipheads digging through bins and crates of "obselete" CD's in the next decades?

Will "sampling" be open game with the proliferation of inexpensive digital reproduction? Will the intellectual property lawyers have too much to handle?

wildcat wendell cooley, Friday, 8 November 2002 03:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm wondering what the above post means. "Boutique" amps certainly don't have to be tube amps, natch. I'd posit tube amps died for a good reason; they're warm, euphonious... and sloppy.

Sean (Sean), Friday, 8 November 2002 03:55 (twenty-three years ago)

I have never played a solid state amp that didn't sound like shit. Sloppy or no, tube amps are far, far better.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 8 November 2002 04:27 (twenty-three years ago)

I have never played a solid state amp that didn't sound like shit. Sloppy or no, tube amps are far, far better.

Are you talking here about domestic hi-fi or guitar amps? Part of the context of this discussion is home audio, but the word 'played' threw me. Just wondering.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 8 November 2002 07:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Just wondering.

Run away: it's a trap!

Tim (Tim), Friday, 8 November 2002 12:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Or a joke.

Sean (Sean), Friday, 8 November 2002 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)

"Will there be blipheads digging through bins and crates of "obselete" CD's in the next decades?"

Hell, I'm doing it now!

matt riedl (veal), Friday, 8 November 2002 21:27 (twenty-three years ago)

whoops. i made a common muso mistake. carry on.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 10 November 2002 22:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Michael, your first two topics seem like they refer to new kinds of portability introduced by digital music. Your third refers to something a bit more mystical - something closer to the old sound quality wars - does this sound right? The quality of experiencing the artifact rather than its distribution?

Another question for you: is music's increasing digitalness what you're really interested in? It seems to me that the digital nature of some audio formats is just one factor in how music gets used and shared - an important one, maybe, but not the sole determinant of increased sampling, for instance.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 11 November 2002 02:09 (twenty-three years ago)

the third issue sounds the most fluffy, and sneakily the most interesting, though i suspect it's actually not particularly interesting in and of itself. the move towards the body is representative, in my opinion, of mankind's natural tendency to anthropomorphize things. as we gradually develop greater control over numbers and phosphors, it seems natural that we would conform them more tightly to organic concepts that we are more familiar with or that have a greater cultural resonance with.

in terms of the first two issues, i don't see them particularly well defined as seperate entities. culturally, i think you will find the most interesting area to be the social interfaces that are developed among people in order to facilitate and describe file-exchanges. something like napster, in itself, is uninteresting because there's no social interaction. what's interesting is that after say, a middle school child downloads something that they couldn't get through normal mass media (the radio or television) what does he do with it, how does he share it with the children around him? does it give him a social status, is there a social impetus to continue exploring, or do children who explore varied realms of music do so entirely from a personal love of sound?

(an interesting correlation is Henry Jenkin's favorite example of the social function of single player video games: that children gain social status by their purported abilities, and that they bring common experiences from their solitary gaming into a multi-person context through surprisingly mundane means)

maybe i'm wandering off on some tangents now, i can't think very well with such a small box of text.

daniel e mcanulty (mcanulty), Monday, 11 November 2002 03:50 (twenty-three years ago)

another thing that seems related to your third topic is something i remember bowie saying once, he was paraphrasing someone who he'd read, (and i too am paraphrasing from a many years old memory) saying that 'his vision of the future is that after a long day of work, in an alien, technology-saturated culture, a man might go home to his claustrophobic apartment to take a small round piece of wood from it's safe-keeping space and simply hold it, caressing it for hours.' i've always thought that to be a particularly poetic way of expressing mankind's growing unfamiliarity and disconnection with his modern world, and a wonderful way of expressing a feeling of desperation and singularity that bowie is so good at expressing in his work.

daniel e mcanulty (mcanulty), Monday, 11 November 2002 03:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Let me also submit the "State of the Art" in film; IMAX offers more visual possibilities, but how many have taken advantage of the format and offered a truly revolutionary vision?

not sure what your point is here... imax is expensive as fuck to shoot and has very few venues for distribution. digitalization (film or music) is precisely the reverse.

artiste, Monday, 11 November 2002 05:03 (twenty-three years ago)

I was referencing the discussion of the constraining of creativity due to the digital format (in music). That is, the industry can imbue the latest and greatest whizz-bang high-tech amenities, but without the actual quality content, the advances become of questionable appeal. ¥

christoff (christoff), Monday, 11 November 2002 14:47 (twenty-three years ago)


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