C90: Prog that does not suck

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I can't stop listening to "Mr. Blue Sky" - I know, I know this is probably as wrong as raping one's own mother, but I'm addicted to it (ELO that is - not materasty). Why is prog always getting knocked? It seems that since Johnny Rotten declared that stuff that is musical, intelligent and has more than three chords in it sucks and smells of poo, no-one is allowed to like that shit. But surely punk-rock is an old-fashioned instituion now anyway. Being "punk" isn't rebellious - almost every kid in the pub in Hitchin last night had a slightly-mohican hairstyle and about 99.9% of punk coming out today smells of an old man's colostomy bag. The Sex Pistols were never that good anyway. So yeah, what the fuck is wrong with chilling to King Crimson or ELO or the Moody Blues? Sure they looked like a bunch of real-ale drinking chemistry lecturers but they wrote some damn good songs - and very few of them were self-indulgent guitar workouts.

Anyway, that rant was ulterior to the real question: what are the best prog songs of all time? I'm relatively new to this style but I'll start with a couple of faves:

King Crimson: Starless
ELO: Mr. Blue Sky
Air: How Does It Make You Feel?
Moody Blues: Nights in White Satin
Led Zeppelin: No Quarter
Van Der Graaf Generator: Refugees
Kraftwerk: Radioactivity
King Crimson: Ladies of the Road
Arcturus: For To End Yet Again
Pere Ubu: Caligari's Mirror
Daft Punk: Verdis Quo
Moody Blues: For My Lady
The Nice: Daddy, Where Did I Come From?

dog latin, Sunday, 10 November 2002 15:33 (twenty-three years ago)

It seems that since Johnny Rotten declared that stuff that is musical, intelligent and has more than three chords in it sucks and smells of poo, no-one is allowed to like that shit.

peter hammill, beefheart, and damo suzuki to thread!

(the real fans aren't buying the shtick anyway.)

""That was pathetic, [because] I couldn't be half as ignorant, moronic, violent, destructive...as they wanted to promote me".

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 10 November 2002 15:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Fripp 1977-1994, everything else is uncivilised....

bahtology, Sunday, 10 November 2002 15:52 (twenty-three years ago)

'yes - machine messiah' ownz

chaki (chaki), Sunday, 10 November 2002 15:59 (twenty-three years ago)

pere ubu => Prog?!?!

I sez lets suck, in a count dracula like fashion, all of the best in each 'genre'.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 10 November 2002 16:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Fripp 1977-1994, everything else is uncivilised....

...irrelevant, as well

gia, Sunday, 10 November 2002 17:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Mr Blue Sky is completely great, but i've never for a second thought of it as being anything to do with prog.

although the double albums with pop-up spaceship inserts and the like do sort of suggest otherwise....

actually i'm not too sure whether half the things on your list are prog, but as this pretty much coincides with the half that i like i may well constitute proof of your brainwash theory.

adam b (adam b), Sunday, 10 November 2002 17:05 (twenty-three years ago)

I've been really enjoying my Gentle Giant cds & LPs lately. At their most succinct, especially with the weird Visconti production on AQUIRING THE TASTE and the striving-to-pleaseness of the live set, I find them both proggy and non-sucky. But "Mister Blue Sky"? While ELO had moments brushing against prog, that certainly wasn't one of them!
Also recommended: Sadistic Mika Band, Earlier Roxy (waaay progressive), some PFM, the occasional Utopia track (good in small doses, and small doses are hard to get).

matt riedl (veal), Sunday, 10 November 2002 17:13 (twenty-three years ago)

'yes - machine messiah' ownz

I'd say the whole of Yes's Drama album ownz.

paul cox (paul cox), Sunday, 10 November 2002 18:23 (twenty-three years ago)

King Crimson rock.

Are Radiohead prog? If so, they rock too. If not, they still rock, but in a way totally irrelevant to this thread.

Callum (Callum), Sunday, 10 November 2002 18:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Zeppelin, Pere, Kraftwerk = not prog

David Gilmour claims that J. Rotten once told him he never really hated Pink Floyd and was "actually a bit of a fan."

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 10 November 2002 19:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Magma

brg30 (brg30), Sunday, 10 November 2002 20:11 (twenty-three years ago)

How about the entire "Suspira" soundtrack by the late seventies Italian rock group GOBLIN? Actually, everything they've ever scored for Dario Argento is pretty proggy, as well as "mystical"-- which in my mind is the real tip off to whether something qualifies.

sherri, Sunday, 10 November 2002 21:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Focus - "Hocus Pocus" = proof that yodelling solos are great
Aphrodite's Child - "Four Horsemen" = one of the BIGGEST songs ever made
King Crimson - "In The Court Of The Crimson King" = proof that yes, Radiohead are indeed as prog as they come.

All amazing songs, go get 'em.

Charlie (Charlie), Sunday, 10 November 2002 21:38 (twenty-three years ago)

The Nice - Hang On To a Dream

Yes - Starship Trooper

Genesis - Harold the Barrel

King Crimson - 21st Century Schizoid Man

Van der Graaf Generator - A Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers

The Plastic People Of the Universe - Samson

5UU's - One Nail Draws Another (excerpt) (This has lovely moments but an excerpt is all anyone needs)

Rush - Natural Science

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 10 November 2002 23:21 (twenty-three years ago)

magma - klaus komblad
ame son - je veux just dire (or something like that)
soft machine - lullabye letter
this heat - makeshift
kraftwerk - stratovarius
heldon - zind
amon duul II - wolf city
shub niggurath - cabine 67
achim reichel - come on people (only sort of prog)
eskaton - automute
koenji hyakkei - nivraym

your null fame (yournullfame), Sunday, 10 November 2002 23:48 (twenty-three years ago)

King Crimson-RED

Rush-Basically all of it until moving pictures but especially "farewell to kings" and "2112"

Yes- "fragile"(for heart of the sunrise) and "close to the edge"

Roxy music-"for your pleasure"

Pink Floyd-"live at pompeii"

PROG IS THE NEW PUNK

geeg, Monday, 11 November 2002 00:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually, post-rock is the new punk, and also the new prog.

Callum (Callum), Monday, 11 November 2002 00:14 (twenty-three years ago)

good things come in threes (the exception being ELP :)

Discipline, Beat, Three of a Perfect Pair - King Crimson

Songs from the Wood, Heavy Horses, Stormwatch - Jethro Tull

And then there were Three, Duke, Abacab - Genesis

The First Day, Damage, Redemption/Approaching Silence - Sylvian / Fripp

Genesis, Invisible Touch, We Can't Dance - Genesis

Exposure, Peter Gabriel II, Sacred Songs - Fripp, Gabriel, and Daryl Hall respectively

Asia, Alpha, Astra (just joking...anything with a crappy rhythm section like Wetton and Palmer just has to suck, doesn't it?)

meggie d, Monday, 11 November 2002 00:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Uh, 90 minutes is a little short for eight Rush albums (or six Genesis albums), isn't it? On a friend's request I did recently make a best-of-the-first-eight-Rush-albums C90 though.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 11 November 2002 00:56 (twenty-three years ago)

oh well, I must now admit ignorance of "C90", as well the concept of the original post / shit, screw "mix tapes". all true "prog" is indulgent anyway. I go away in shame now to listen to SlowFire

megan, Monday, 11 November 2002 01:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Genesis and "prog" parted ways only and album or two after PG left, so we just *might* want to disqualify most of their stuff during and after Three.
Don't go near the first album either - it's full of bizarre sixties horns.

Kim (Kim), Monday, 11 November 2002 04:05 (twenty-three years ago)

make that "only AN album"

Kim (Kim), Monday, 11 November 2002 04:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Area: "Luglio, Agosto, Settembre", "Cometa Rossa", "La Mela di Odessa" (especially the live versions on Are(a)zione)

Art Zoyd: "Sangria" (has pretty much nothing to do with the band as they are known, but it's fantastic)

Brand X: "Sun in the Night", "Nuclear Burn", "Euthanasiz Waltz". Phil Collins was cool?

Camel: "Rhayader" from The Snow Goose (of course), "Lunar Sea", "Hymn to Her", I'm also a pathetic sucker for "Rose of Sharon" off of Dust and Dreams.

Can: "Pinch" de Ege Bam.

Caravan: "Love To Love You", "Winter Wine"

ELP: "Tocatta", "Karn Evil 9: 2nd Impression", "The Three Fates"

Genesis: "Stagnation", "Dancing with the Moonlit Knight", "Mad Man Moon", "Dance on a Volcano", "...Unquiet Slumbers/In That Quiet Earth"

Gong: "Magick Mother Invocation/Master Builder", "A Sprinkle of Clouds"

Happy the Man: first three albums are loaded with classics, for me, anyway: "Stumpy Meets the Firecracker in Stencil Forest", "Knee Bitten Nymphs in Limbo", "Befrost (Upon the Rainbow", "Carousel", "Morning Sun", "Footwork", "While Chrome Yellow Shine"...

Hatfield and the North: How 'bout "Share It" from The Rotter's Club

Heldon: "Marie Virginie C" from Un Reve Sans Consequence. Molten.

Kansas-II (before they were Kansas): "Greek Structure Sunbeam"

King Crimson: "Exiles", "Easy Money" (only versions with the "Well I argued with the judge..." line), "Starless"

Magma: "Kohntarkosz", "Zess", "Hhai", "Lihns", "The Last Seven Minutes", "Spiritual", "Dondai", to name but a few.

And if you like them...
Zao: "Marochsek", "Atart"
Weidorje: "Vilna", "Booldemug"
Eskaton: "Eskaton", "Attente", "Ecoute"

Mahavishnu Orchestra: "The Meeting of the Spirits", live version of "Sister Andrea" on Between Nothingness and Eternity, "Dance of Maya", "I Wonder"

Sally Oldfield: "Water Bearer", "Night Song/Wampum Song/Nenya/Land By the Sea", "Weaver"

Popol Vuh: "Aguirre", "Letzte Tage - Letzte Nachte", "Agape Agape"

Renaissance: "Island", "Running Hard", "A Song for All Seasons"

Ruins: "Praha in Spring" and "Thebes" off of Symphonica

Shakti: "Natural Elements", "The Eagle and the Daffodil", "Get Down and Sruti"

Soft Machine: "Teeth" from SM4 is a monster. "Riff" from 6.

Tangerine Dream: "Mysterious Semblance at the Strands of Nightmares"

Univers Zero: "Triomphe des Mouches", "Emmanations", "Heatwave"

U Totem: "Ginger Tea"

Van der Graaf Generator: "Refugees", "The Undercover Man", "Manerg"

Robert Wyatt: "Little Red Riding Hood Hit the Road"

Yes: "Sound Chaser", "To Be Over", "Turn of the Century", "Ritual" (live 1976 version)

Zappa: "Inca Roads", "Alien Orifice"

Joe (Joe), Monday, 11 November 2002 06:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I heart Joe Lakeside 044!

Jeff W, Monday, 11 November 2002 14:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway...the Deltron 3030 of the 70s

"good things come in threes"...
...then I suggest this as well

Gong - Radio Gnome Trilogy

nickalicious, Monday, 11 November 2002 14:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes - "Close To The Edge" (the track, not the whole album).

It's pretty consistent (apart from the church organ bit and the dodgy lyrics).

James.

James Larcombe, Monday, 11 November 2002 15:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I would just tape Anglagard's "Epilog" one one side and VDGG's "Pawn Hearts" on thee other. I {heart} joe lakeside 044 as well.

N0RM4N PH4Y, Monday, 11 November 2002 19:04 (twenty-three years ago)

I didn't see anyone mention it, but:

La Dusseldorf - "Viva"

The whole album

Trace, Monday, 11 November 2002 22:22 (twenty-three years ago)

oh yeah, la dusseldorf's "zeit" would be fucking swell.

your null fame (yournullfame), Monday, 11 November 2002 23:35 (twenty-three years ago)

nine years pass...

Caravan's "Nine Feet Underground" is a cool epic track. It's groove reminds me a bit of some Traffic and it definitely is spacey as some Soft Machine.

earlnash, Saturday, 21 April 2012 12:22 (thirteen years ago)

ELO is considered prog?!

l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 21 April 2012 12:38 (thirteen years ago)

two years pass...

I grabbed that Weidorje album today and it's freakin' amazing. That 11-year old Joe post rules.

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 12:55 (eleven years ago)

lol former dog latin

james larcombe of stars in battledress itt! very exciting. their new album is some stellar chamber-prog-pop-lullaby action

Ѿ (imago), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 12:58 (eleven years ago)

nice!! I just happened upon the 1st LP and it's very good. Will have to grab the 2nd as Kavus seems so hellbent on praising the thing.

right now I'm big into albums by Echolyn and Glass Hammer - mei and Shadowlands respectively. mei is one 50-minute track which is kind of funny coming from Echolyn, who I've always considered to be fairly down-to-earth. It's a great, great piece though, very hardworking and not very reliant on jamming, it's all good music all the way. Shadowlands is just really fun; Glass Hammer is easy to dislike but this is such a goofy and well-meaning disc, and the musicianship is often top notch. There's one song about a horse that murders people, a cover of Fogelberg's "Longer" that's actually quite good, and a 20-minute suite that's full of classical and baroque influences. Plus I really dig "Farewell to Shadowlands" which is like really good minute-long bit in a prog epic stretched out and taken all the way, really cool stuff.

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 13:11 (eleven years ago)

Steven Wilson – The Raven that Refused to Sing

goth colouring book (anagram), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 13:12 (eleven years ago)

Druckfarben - Second Sound: maybe prog album of the year. Granted I'm only on the second track but damn does this thing smoke.

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Thursday, 25 September 2014 16:07 (eleven years ago)


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