Taking sides: 'Anarchy in the UK' vs 'I feel love'

Now the Pistols seem a dead end, forever 1977. A refinement of the previous 25 years of rock 'n' roll. All the dead wood excised, the lessons of bloat and pomposity learnt, the value of attitude over ability reasserted. Not that it still isn't an astonishingly strange and thrilling record.

'I feel love' sounds like a beginning, the real year zero. You can't imagine Lydon recording 'first edition' or 'metal box', without taking on board the changes wrought by 'I feel love'. You can't imagine Moroder learnt anything new from 'Anarchy in the UK'.

Songs released in the last year that sound similar to "I Feel Love": mostly brilliant

Anti-Flag or Daft Punk... hmm, that's a toughie.

I probably agree with Billy but devil's advocate here - the leap forward by DS and GM is basically a technological one and therefore would have happened anyway within a year or two given that GM didn't invent that tech and that using programmable instruments to produce rhythm patterns is not a colossal conceptual leap even accounting for hindsight. So the question is - could the attitudinal jump represented by the Pistols be considered more significant?

"i feel love", obv.

"Anarchy" was never my favorite Pistols song.

If we're taking sides, "I Feel Love," because of the lovely harmonies and because the verses inspired that "it was love, it was love, it was love, it was love" part at the end of Kylie's "Love at First Sight."

Musically, well they're both fantastic records but I still get a thrill from hearing 'Anarchy in the UK' so that wins there too.

And the first people to do it did so in '78: Killing Joke's 'turn to red', which nicks the Moroder synth riff from 'I feel love' but adds post-Pistols apocolyptic shouting.

I Feel Love is also a great tune.

That wasn't the question, you disco-fascists! The question was "which shook things up more," to which I'd say "Anarchy in the UK." "I Feel Love" was indeed a remarkably important record (although I'd sooner point to the sprawling "Love to Love Ya Baby" as the real mover & shaker). Still, "I Feel Love" is nothing but a runny, shredded condom in the shadow of the Pistols when it comes to 'influence.'

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Ramones vs. Kool & The Gang is my ugly American answer to this blatantly eurocentric question. Yes, that's a cop out. But it's honest.

I'm just trying to point out that your answer is heavily weighted by which side of the pond you live on, if we're talking about influence.

And doesn't '24 Hour Party People' start with the premise that factory started as a result of a Pistols' show in Manchester?

I like Kool & The Gang more than the Ramones but that's probably cos I know their stuff better. Do the Ramones have songs as good as "Celebrate"?

Lyrics aside, I'll say this: had I known a few Ramones songs prior to boot camp, boot camp would have been much easier.

Fortunately, I still had Mr. Scruff & Roots Manuva's fantastic collab 'Jus Jus' going through my head at the time. Saved my sanity on a number of occasions.

tom, just trust me on this ONE thing then.

Which is a good thing, obv.

Of course I know fuck all about the actual history so that might be completely wrong...

tom millar yus welcome my joke wz meant to be silly not unfriendly

But just look at all the trancey bilge that was released in the '90's! For a START.

Moroder's genius was in discovering that using all this new technology, anybody could be sexy and funky, even 36 year old Italian producers. Spiritually he's closer to the Kingsmen or James Brown than Wakeman or Carlos. He realised too that the sound, beat and texture could be more moving, more involving than the song. I feel love on an accoustic must be a pretty dispiriting experience.

Socially, yes the Pistols probably did shake thing up more, but then something was going to give anyway. The accumulation of the erosion on the previous 16 years of the post war consensus (start date Lady chatterley trial), finally bursting to the surface. That it would happen by a 'pop' group swearing on tv and being blatantly anti-monarchist is even more remarkable. Then of course Thatcher came in to 'sort' out the mess.

Both records weren't narrowly Eurocentric, Pistols were front cover of Rolling Stone and made a concerted effort (ha) to break America. I feel love US #6, 1977. Love to love you baby a bit of a red herring, more of a piece in the symphonic soul reportoire a la Isaac Hayes, albeit upping the orgasm quotient a notch or three.

I like this guy already. Welcome!