Cephalic Carnage - Lucid Interval: c or d?

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worth getting? i read some review that really got me excited; you know, the kind that makes you say "wow, this is my fucking dream band" but u havent even heard the damn album, and usually,when u finally get it, it shatters your hopes. anyway, they sound kinda interesting...

― omalley, Wednesday, 13 November 2002 02:19 (twenty-three years ago)

I listened to a bit of this and wasn't really feelin' it. I may be all CHUGGA CHUGGA-ed out for now. I dunno, I'll probably give it a real listen and post again.

All I know is that the sticker on the package says this album has "jazz fusion". Why do all of these metal/hardcore/grind/whatever bands go for the jazz fusion when they wanna show how diverse they are? Wouldn't free jazz make a lot more sense/sound a whole lot cooler?

― original bgm, Wednesday, 13 November 2002 05:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Cuz ANYONE can do 'free jazz'!!!

― dave q, Wednesday, 13 November 2002 08:13 (twenty-three years ago)

They're all just making it up as they go along!

― original bgm, Wednesday, 13 November 2002 13:08 (twenty-three years ago)

But are their any metal bands that do this well? Naked City aren't very metal, so they don't count. And Meshuggah could use some screechy saxaphones, now that I think about it...

― original bgm, Wednesday, 13 November 2002 13:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Wouldn't free jazz make a lot more sense/sound a whole lot cooler?

Pestilence attempted to do that Spheres, the results being a very interesting album, disappointing sales, the band breaking up, and main man Patrick Mameli moving to the US to play in a jazz combo.

― Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 15:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Now I must hear this Pestience album. Is it actually an entertaining album or just an "interesting" experiment to be admired from afar? Better than their older material? (which I haven't heard either)

― original bgm, Wednesday, 13 November 2002 22:24 (twenty-three years ago)

''All I know is that the sticker on the package says this album has "jazz fusion".''

DO NOT listen to it!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 23:03 (twenty-three years ago)

It's completely unlike the first two albums, and only remotely similar to the third one Testimony Of The Ancients. It's, well, not easy to sit through. It's got lots of really good riffs, great melodies and solos, and some catchy moments, but the production is very dry, most of the guitar synthesizer sounds do not work well with the "real" guitars, and the vocals are very forced (like the later Death albums, but not as good) and take some time to get used to. Despite all its flaws I really like the album, there's nothing that even remotely sounds like it. You should be able to find Spheres quite easily though, I see it everywhere in the secondhand bins. If you can download mp3s, I can temporarily put a track online if you want.

The thanklist at least reveals that "influence" really does exist (haha!):
Many thanks to our influences: Corea, Muthspiel, Brunel, Cotaiuta, Holdsworth, Weckl, Davis, Brecker, Metheny, Henderson, Bruford and Goblin

Reviews:
quite harsh here
a more positive one (+ their other albums)

― Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 23:15 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Spehere's runs more under the "interesting experiment" side. Its a nice album to have, mind you. I paid $6 for it used in while on vacation/holiday in Paris. Not horrible, but not great either. I personally prefer Testimony of The Ancients and Malles Maleficarum to it. It was also released the same year three other superior death metal/jazz crossovers were released: Cynic's Focus, Death's Individiual Thought Patterns (disregard all the death metal purists who say that anything after Spiritual Healing sucks..Human and on was their best material), and Atheist's Elements.

As for the new Ceph, I think it rules. Probably not in my top ten come December 31st, but solid. Definitely search out "Black Metal Sabbath", though destroy the name of the song.

-
Alan

― Alan Conceicao, Wednesday, 13 November 2002 23:19 (twenty-three years ago)

You should be able to find Spheres quite easily though, I see it everywhere in the secondhand bins. If you can download mp3s, I can temporarily put a track online if you want.

I found the title track on soulseek. Is this song representative? If you've got another favorite track, I'd definitely like to download it. Thanks!

It was also released the same year three other superior death metal/jazz crossovers were released: Cynic's Focus, Death's Individiual Thought Patterns (disregard all the death metal purists who say that anything after Spiritual Healing sucks..Human and on was their best material), and Atheist's Elements.

I've heard the Death one but none of the others. Sound interesting so I'll get on these as well!

― original bgm, Thursday, 14 November 2002 00:20 (twenty-three years ago)

I found the title track on soulseek. Is this song representative?
Yes, the whole album is like this. I've put up one of the weirder track here

Death's Individiual Thought Patterns (disregard all the death metal purists who say that anything after Spiritual Healing sucks..Human and on was their best material).

Indeed, Human and ITP are their best (I love the instrumentalist "jam" atmosphere of ITP, it feels less restrained and song-based than all the others). I never quite got into the earlier (Possessed was better anyway) or the later albums. Those Cynic and Atheist albums are better than Spheres but you've got to hand it to Pestilence that they took the whole fusion thing much further than either of these three bands.

At the time it seemed that a whole new world of exciting fusion jazz/metal was only opening up, but instead the whole movement hit a brick wall at that very moment and the bands either broke up in unison (Cynic, Pestilence, Atheist) or went back to a more conventional sound (Death).

― Siegbran (eofor), Thursday, 14 November 2002 00:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Many thanks!

― original bgm, Thursday, 14 November 2002 05:52 (twenty-three years ago)

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