taking sides: folky acoustic Neil Young v. electric feedback hell Neil Young

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feedback drenched electric Young all the way, that's what I say. I wish his gigs had more solos and less nicey bits.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 20:36 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Tonight's the Night and On the Beach combine these two parts of Neil very nicely.

Yancey (ystrickler), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 20:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I love examples of both.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 13 November 2002 20:43 (twenty-three years ago)

wuss-vs-crud

christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 20:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Feedback all the way.. Give me a 90 minute solo during Cowgirl in the Sand. But then, Thrasher is a great song too.

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 20:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah, see, Cowgirl in the Sand is my favorite too, but it's *because* it dips down and touches sweet acoustic Neil between the solos. That lovely achey treble...
purple words on a gray background / to be a woman and to be turned down.

Ah.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 20:49 (twenty-three years ago)

i waver between the two, but i do think the pump organ unplugged version of "like a hurricane" is one of the peaks of his career

chris browning (commonswings), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 20:52 (twenty-three years ago)

To answer the original question, there is more good quality folksy stuff than there is electric stuff. But when the electric stuff gets great, it's overpoweringly wonderfully great.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 20:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Electric Young is my favorite. The last half of Rust Never Sleeps, Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere, Zuma, the song Winterlong, Trans and Ragged Glory were all high points. Its when he went country that things start going down hill. Sadly its his electric stuff like Landing on Water, Life or Reactor that also marks his lowest points in outstanding acheivement in the field of excellence.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 21:04 (twenty-three years ago)

since the obvious answer is both (there's crap on both, classics on both) I'm more intrigued by the styles of Neil left out. Like Trans vs. This Note's For You? I vote Trans.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 21:05 (twenty-three years ago)

aslong as we agree that his doowop album is the lowest of the low.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 21:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, I'd also say that 'both' is the appropriate answer. Fantastic songs on each--my favorites being "After The Gold Rush" and "Like A Hurricane." His strength is being able to make both styles equally visceral and powerful--his acoustic songs hit just as hard as his rockers.

Ian Johnson (orion), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 21:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I'll take the noisy, cranky Neil over the whipsy acoustic weepy Neil any day o' the week.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 21:10 (twenty-three years ago)

I love them both. When I am sad it is Harvest or After the Goldrush, when I am normal it is more something like Ragged Glory. Cortez the Killer I always love.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 21:49 (twenty-three years ago)

But what about Trans Neil Young??

original bgm, Wednesday, 13 November 2002 22:18 (twenty-three years ago)

ill go with the noisy neil as my favorite, or his days jamming with rick james and charles manson.

kephm, Wednesday, 13 November 2002 22:21 (twenty-three years ago)

They both have their uses.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 22:22 (twenty-three years ago)

electric but tonight's the night is OK.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 23:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Another vote for Trans.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 23:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I love Trans! I heard "Opera Star" on the radio when it was a single! Once!

Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 23:28 (twenty-three years ago)

"Opera Star" is on RE*ac*tor! Not Trans! (pushes up glasses and giggles nasally)

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 23:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't see why you have to pit them against each other ('cept for funsies). They balance each other out pretty well.

matt riedl (veal), Thursday, 14 November 2002 01:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Sonic Youth's cover of "Computer Age" is better than Neil's.

nickn (nickn), Thursday, 14 November 2002 02:38 (twenty-three years ago)

He has made gold and crap using both sounds.

I have a friend that is a Neil Young FAN, while we played cards a few weekends back he had that recent live CD Road Rock and I have to admit some of the long jammy songs get bogged down, slow and sluggish. I love the songs, but these were not tight and fiery performances.

The Reactor and Mirror Ball albums are other examples where turning up doesn't really equate killer music. The songs on Long May You Run or Old Ways are definitely not as good as the acoustic music on "After the Goldrush" or "Harvest"

That being said, I really like the acoustic song "Will to Love", which many think is corny, but I love the weird effects on his voice.

In a way, the song "Sleeps with Angels" is a weird song that seems to mix a bit of both of these styles.

"On the Beach" should be in print, nuff' said.

earlnash, Thursday, 14 November 2002 04:05 (twenty-three years ago)

He has made gold and crap using both sounds.

Heart of Gold vs Piece of Crap FITE

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 14 November 2002 04:27 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm taking acoustic neil...just because Harvest is the best album...but would "Alabama" count as wimpy or electric?

geeg, Thursday, 14 November 2002 07:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I'll go with Tonight's the Night and On the Beach.

But respect for bringing out Arc Weld.

James Ball (James Ball), Thursday, 14 November 2002 10:28 (twenty-three years ago)

I'll take off the rails Neil rather than Cinammon Neil. Hard rocking Neil is OK with me to but Jimmy Ball's call is on point. Although having said that Alabama might be the best thing he has ever written. But Trans, damn, I just can't dig that shit. Same with Landing on Water. Can't find Re-ac-tor to get upset by tho.

Roger Fascist (Roger Fascist), Thursday, 14 November 2002 12:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I've got a slight admiration for horn section Neil as well (This Note's for You). Underrated.

James Ball (James Ball), Thursday, 14 November 2002 12:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually, I gotta say the Dead Man soundtrack is something else. Just him, Ol' Black, an amp the size of Seattle, a ridiculous array of effects pedals, and a musical trip into the mind of a legend. Now that is underrated.

Roger Fascist (Roger Fascist), Thursday, 14 November 2002 13:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Another vote for Re.Ac.Tor .. I don't listen to it nearly enough though.

On the Beach & Time Fades Away are his two best.

Trans was alright, but hard to listen to ... "Little Thing Called Love" is a great, typically-Neil song.. Mr. Soul was great live or on extended single (guitar solo ripped it up) .. Computer Age - I'll have to agree that Sonic Youth did it better. Like an Inca was a great sequel to Pocahontas (or Cortez..)

I even liked Everybody's Rockin'

Dead Man - I've never heard it without watching the movie at the same time.. so I don't know if it would stand on its own.. but it was great music for the movie. (If you've never seen it - highly recommended..)

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 14 November 2002 13:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Yu-huh - the movie is good but the music stands without Jarmusch's Blakean vision. Apparently Young watched the movie, Les Paul in hand and the music was borne out of his reaction to the piece. Anyway, it's seriously worth dimming the lights for.

Jim: "What he brought to the film lifts it to another level, intertwining the soul of the story with Neil's musically emotional reaction to it - the guy reached down to some deep place inside him to create such strong music for our film."

Roger Fascist (Roger Fascist), Thursday, 14 November 2002 13:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Trans was great. Recently rescued by the Live in Berlin DVD release which comes from that time. "Computer Age", "Sample and Hold" are two of the best examples of vocoder use in rock. "Computer Cowboy" is a favorite of mine though "Transformer Man" rubs me the wrong way. He just put the album out at the wrong time, when anything remotely disco sounding was doomed.

Tonight's The Night was always an electric album in my mind. Probably for "Cmon Baby Lets Go Downtown" being my favorite song from the album.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 14 November 2002 14:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I've got that gig on video. He's wearing a classic new wave skinny tie and I love the bit where he's doing the solo in Like a Hurricane and it keeps getting in his way.

James Ball (James Ball), Thursday, 14 November 2002 14:25 (twenty-three years ago)

The Neil & The Shocking Pinks album is fairly lame but Wonderin' was ok. Landing On Water is seriously spank however.

tigerclawskank, Thursday, 14 November 2002 15:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I guess it depends if you like "Wondering" or "Touch The Night" better. Personally "Touch The Night" was the better song and a better video (if just for the sideburns). Life was pretty sad too though but "Prisoners of Rock & Roll" was one of his best songs off key singing (on purpose) and all.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 14 November 2002 15:11 (twenty-three years ago)

1980's Hawks and Doves, another folky record is largely underrated I think. Especially the long ghostlike The Old Homestead (from 1974), Little Wing, the title song and Captain Kennedy are outstanding. The record has a very intimate nostalgic feel not so different from Silver and Gold which is underrated as well and his best effort after Ragged Glory.

Of his live albums Time Fades Away and Live Rust are my favourites. Actually I think I prefer him rock live than on a studio album.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Thursday, 14 November 2002 15:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Prisoners of Rock N Roll is class stuff

tigerclawskank, Thursday, 14 November 2002 16:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Time Fades Away and Live Rust - definitely on that one. Actually, what does anyone think of his work with CSNY, particularly Deja Vu, which I happen to think is fucking ace (The lead track Carry On absolutely blows me away every time I hear it) and Four Way Street (say hello to a sprawling Southern Man).

Roger Fascist (Roger Fascist), Thursday, 14 November 2002 16:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Agreed on CSNY

tigerclawskank, Thursday, 14 November 2002 18:20 (twenty-three years ago)

amazing no mention of Buffalo Springfield
certainly his most deluded, messed up, kind of weird, hard to figure out period

steve k, Thursday, 14 November 2002 21:32 (twenty-three years ago)

you bastards. how can I choose? Neil Young has made alot of duds. but I like how he's all over the place. "everybody knows this is nowhere" is my favorite Young record but I love just as much as "Tonight's The Night" and "Zuma".

if you twist my arm...I say "feedback neil". Just cuz I like noisy music a bit more..."old ways" ain't a bad disc either...nice to hear other people liked "Trans".

Juan (Juan), Thursday, 14 November 2002 22:18 (twenty-three years ago)

What does "Expecting to Fly" fall under?

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 14 November 2002 23:40 (twenty-three years ago)

five years pass...

Impossible to choose. (Saw him in Antwerp yesterday)

StanM, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 06:55 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.kevin108.com/kevin108/vwyinyang.jpg

M.V., Wednesday, 13 February 2008 08:02 (eighteen years ago)

Will not take sides.

RabiesAngentleman, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 09:46 (eighteen years ago)

eight months pass...

I turned on BBC4 when I got in last night and found a Neil Young night in full swing. There was a half-hour Harvest-era set, then a career documentary (a bit too much CSNY for my liking, but there was one twenty-second shot with Crazy Horse playing in a garage that was just great). Anyway, it was the acoustic set that had me most transfixed, so I take that side for now - I don't know what the docu was called, but the acoustic bit'll be on the iplayer for a few days.

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 1 November 2008 21:46 (seventeen years ago)

I won't choose either, but he writes really pretty melodies for the acoustic stuff.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Sunday, 2 November 2008 02:17 (seventeen years ago)

Live at Massey Hall disc is live solo acoustic & brilliant. That said, can't take sides here.

that's not my post, Sunday, 2 November 2008 03:31 (seventeen years ago)

five years pass...

this new 'live at the cellar door' set is killer, like some golden mean between the best tones on 'after the gold rush' and 'harvest'. what a hot writing streak he was on to be playing "see the sky about to rain" four years before he had a place for it on a studio album

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 6 December 2013 16:35 (twelve years ago)

kind of like..............................live at massey hall?

marcos, Friday, 6 December 2013 16:38 (twelve years ago)

pretty much! but this cellar door disc is really good.
thought this revive would be about the folk covers album neil is putting out sometime soon. he recorded it in jack white's weirdo record booth. covers of jansch, ochs, hardin, etc.

tylerw, Friday, 6 December 2013 16:40 (twelve years ago)

xps, just curious -- cool to hear that it's a good record. neil was incredible during this period but is there anything cellar door offers that massey doesn't?

marcos, Friday, 6 December 2013 16:40 (twelve years ago)

piano versions of "cinnamon girl" and "flying on the ground is wrong"... some different jokes.

tylerw, Friday, 6 December 2013 16:41 (twelve years ago)

And a piano version of Expecting To Fly.

I was listening to the stream of the album and it sounds like he plays some of the songs in a slightly different key (if that's the right word).

agnosy, Friday, 6 December 2013 17:02 (twelve years ago)

right, "expecting to fly," that one is great too. yeah, as said on the archives thread, it's not *exciting* as a release, but it is pretty terrific anyway. neil young in 1970!

tylerw, Friday, 6 December 2013 17:06 (twelve years ago)

A few years ago, when "Le Noise" came out, I told my friend that I had the new Neil Young, and he got really excited. But then he quickly backpedaled and quickly added "But I only like his acoustic stuff." And it struck me how little of Neil's stuff is folky acoustic stuff.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 6 December 2013 17:07 (twelve years ago)

sounds like this new one will be the folkiest ever

tylerw, Friday, 6 December 2013 17:08 (twelve years ago)

from Washington Post detailed nostalgia piece on the Cellar Door club in DC

And Young, at the beginning of a 1969 Cellar Door run, handed Lofgren a Martin guitar and liked what he heard enough to buy the kid “a cheeseburger and a Coke and a table for four shows,” Lofgren says. Young invited Lofgren over to his Arlington hotel to talk shop the next afternoon. A year later, Lofgren was part of Young’s stable of studio sidemen for the recording of the “After the Gold Rush” album. His dreams of being able to make a living at music were on their way to being realized.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/music/neil-youngs-live-at-the-cellar-door-is-a-window-into-dcs-musical-past/2013/12/09/f61da75e-6104-11e3-bf45-61f69f54fc5f_story_1.html

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 20:21 (twelve years ago)

I think I like his more subdued electric stuff (e.g. title track of On the Beach) better than his heavy feedbacky electric stuff or his acoustic folky stuff.

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 21:17 (twelve years ago)


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