ILM Hivemind: ID the musicians in this photo

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/38405223_10156342146763046_934893897916612608_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=02665501fe61a0c6bf671656f1e30a45&oe=5BD0C811

So based on my detective work so far, I think it's Isle of Wight '69 (but I'm not 100% sure), and I think it's not the Who. My best guess as to acts from the '69 Isle of Wight is that it's Free, but there are a ton of bands on the lineup I wouldn't be able to ID on sight and that there aren't a lot of good photos of on GIS.

not sure it's Free, unless they did a different set in different outfits. does look like them though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwjoYXxLLko

def not the Who

are there any other festivals it could be? what else was that big (besides Woodstock)?

I think it's IOW because of this photo, which is def Pete Townshend at IOW:

https://cdn3.volusion.com/shxxj.yvech/v/vspfiles/photos/ASCPG-RC19-2.jpg

but idk, I guess other big festivals from the same time period on flat rural land could wind up looking very similar

I'm inclined to say it's not Free, only because that looks like a double-bass-drum setup, whereas Simon Kirke only played single-bass-drum kits.

Looks like the thumbnail pic refers to this cover

http://gallery270.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Wolman-RS-59-LIttle-Richard.jpg

yeah, it seems not to be Free

Top photo has crash barriers, Pete Townshend photo has a picket fence.

yeah just noticed that in fact

I'm inclined to say it's not Free, only because that looks like a double-bass-drum setup, whereas Simon Kirke only played single-bass-drum kits.

now that I look at it, that is kind of a weird kit set up. You think the second bass drum is not visible/on the right, with the snare in the middle?

Yeah drum setup was a whole other mystery. I was also guessing second kick not visible.

'three shillings.. fortnight'.. so a British advert, could be a British band?

Yeah, I assume the other bass drum is hidden from view.

xps

it's def a British advert, which means the festival is probably British. I suppose other candidates besides IOW could be:

Hollywood Music Festival
Phun City
Kralingen Music Festival
Glastonbury

those were all in 1970 and I think all the sites are rural...?

That Little Richard cover looks like it's dated May 27th 1970, probably not a help tho

Since the example magazine cover doesn't have a British artist, maybe not a British festival either - at least no reason to assume.

Kralingen looks like the field was surrounded by woods, so it's not that one

maybe not a British festival either

Lot of UK festivals in the 60s/70s anyway...

http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/index.html

it's gotta be '69-'70 given the style of the band + the cover issue image

ok that narrows it down to about 30 in the uk alone!

yeah I'm assuming it has to be 69/70

now all we need is a list of all british (and maybe american/canadian) bands that played at one of the dozens of British festivals and had long hair. Fuck.

the stage lights and crash barriers are the most distinctive things for comparing to other stage photos.

That issue is number 59, dated 1967.

It looks like the drummer may be playing with no front head on his kick, if that helps at all. Although I'm not even sure of that from the picture. Unusual move on a giant festival stage.

He also seems to have some kind of contraption that keeps his hi-hat stand in place by anchoring it to the kick, never seen one of those before.

xp no Issue 59 is 1970
https://www.wolfgangs.com/magazines/rolling-stone-issue-59/magazine/RS59.html

the stage lights and crash barriers are the most distinctive things for comparing to other stage photos.

this is true but finding shots from behind the kit/looking out from the stage seems kinda hard with GIS - you google a lot of these festivals and all you get is shots from the crowd and handbills

don't think it's Free?

https://timtirelli.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/aaa-a-master-fronte-lungo1.jpg

Bath 1970 had barriers like that:

http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/Bath-Festival-front-stage-9.jpg

See also this Zep at Bath 1970 photo:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Z9pub6YJi8s/UB4VM-Pd7JI/AAAAAAAAAzg/vALOafKtEJE/s1600/1970-bath-festival-of-blues.jpg

Oh shit, I think that's the festival. Look at the monitor speakers.

nice! so these are our bands?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=imgres&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj8_I2epdHcAhVhIjQIHVNOB2gQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ledzeppelin.com%2Fshow%2Fjune-28-1970&psig=AOvVaw3zKVhnsfh0z2yJtW4Xa97N&ust=1533399719322618

list of bands here with links to some pics:

http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/bA1.html

horizon trees on the right (in the bath barriers photo) look very like the horizon trees in the original

wait, holy shit, I think I've got it

it's

sorry

http://www.pinkfloydz.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/bath2.jpg

http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/Flock-bath-70-mark-1000.jpg

THE FLOCK

I mean, it is right? Drummer has a dark tanktop, jumping longhair frontman with white sleeveless shirt and tight pants, frontless double kicks

Right, I think I've got it. First of all, from the crash barriers and distinctive monitors at the front of the stage I worked out it's the Bath Festival, 27-29 June, 1970. Here's Canned Heat:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VFTOdmt1HWw/hqdefault.jpg

... and the band in the photo is the Flock on 28th June, 1970.

http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/flock.html

.. check the leaping singer and the drummer's outfit.

Nice!

http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/bath-70-flock-derek.jpg

(xp) Beaten to it!!!

Not sure what Jerry Goodman had done with his violin and bow in the first pic

LOL (xp)

nice!

who the fuck are the Flock

(xxp) I reckon it's been airbrushed.

Apparently it was a Jerry Goodman (of Mahavishnu Orchestra) outfit. I had never heard of them before although I certainly know who he is. Want to check them out now.

lol "Can't have no violins in a ROCK AND ROLL poster!"

I'm sure they're on one of those Rock Machine Turns You On type albums - but one of the tracks no-one played.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flock_(band)

So they were actually his pre-Mahavisnhu project.

Drummer Ron Karpman doesn't seem to have done a lot outside of The Flock

this was a really fun diversion from a boring work day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EAESnMOIRw

Not are they only are they on one of those Rock Machine Turns You On type albums, Jerry Goodman is on the cover...

https://img.discogs.com/cmCaqoS79WRV_C9TJAG8PCIpRlw=/fit-in/600x600/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-491589-1381686651-9454.jpeg.jpg

... their track is a horrible late 60s version of "Tired of Waiting for You"

I only know who the Flock was because WXRT in Chicago used to talk about them like they were some incredible great lost '60s band a la Moby Grape. Didn't actually hear any of their music until today, and it sounds exactly like you'd imagine the Mahavishnu violinist fronting Blood, Sweat & Tears to sound like.

I don't know what UK copyright/persona law was like in 1970, but it also kind of makes sense that they'd use an anonymous photo of a lesser-known band if there was otherwise a risk of paying for use of someone's likeness in an ad.

welp this band is awful

lol, can't listen right now but looking forward to the disappointment later

^^^ lol, exactly how I remember them. I don't remember how I ended up owning their Dinosaur Swamps album as a kid, but I sold it haven't thought about it since. Cool cover though.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fc/dc/1e/fcdc1e1a00320de69600b0e4eef8257b.jpg

(xpost to Tarfumes)

Wikipedia sez their saxophonist, one Tom Webb, "participated in" the recording of Bitches Brew, "but [his] performance was not recorded."

So...either he was at the session but his mic/channel was mysteriously turned off, or Tom Webb is a damn liar.

he brought sandwiches

"Here you are, Mr. Davis. Now, I should tell you that I specifically asked the man at the deli for a 'roast beef motherfucker' per your instructions, but all they had was a regular roast beef sandwich."

Nice detective work! It’s a cool picture anyone got a clean (no text) version of it?

so it took me a sec, but it looks like those pics may have been taken at nearly the same moment, with the latter (non-RS one) reversed (unless the drummer is left-handed).

Wikipedia sez their saxophonist, one Tom Webb, "participated in" the recording of Bitches Brew, "but [his ] performance was not recorded."

So...either he was at the session but his mic/channel was mysteriously turned off, or Tom Webb is a damn liar.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, August 3, 2018 11:57 AM (thirty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol, I could totally see Miles being like "Teo, turn this motherfucker's mic off"

^^^ my thoughts exactly

He had the good dope so Miles said he could "play on the session," something like that

now I kind of want to start a "photos taking from different angles at approximately the same moment" thread, but too much to do. Would presumably be mostly sports photos anyway.

welp this band is awful

Excellent deduction work in this thread, team.

Yeah, this thread rules. Now I want to actually listen to the Flock.