In my dialect of spoken English, the word "guitar" has its primary stress on the second syllable: guiTAR.
In certain lyrical contexts, one sometimes hears it pronounced with the primary stress on the first syllable: GUITar. One can hear this pronunciation, for example, in Elton John's "Love Lies Bleeding."
Please identify other instances of this peculiar phenomenon, and (if you wish) opine on its validity. Are there times you believe it to be effective and appropriate? Or do you believe it to be an indication of inferior songwriting?
Note: my preference is to leave aside the larger issue of misplaced stresses and tortured syntax in lyric writing, which is a topic of larger scope than I want to tackle at this time. For now, I just want to discuss GUITar.
― Runcibly spooning (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 26 August 2018 13:13 (seven years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpOjQvADLG4
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 August 2018 13:20 (seven years ago)
Lou Reed, "Vicious"
"You want me to hit you with a stickBut all I've got is a GUITar pick"
I'm inclined to believe this is more common in songwriting? It seems to work better.
― Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Sunday, 26 August 2018 13:38 (seven years ago)
I think Bootsy does this for at least one of the "hang on to my guitar" lines in "Rubber Duckie."
― Doctor Casϵϵno (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 26 August 2018 13:40 (seven years ago)
I've always pronounced the greek root kithara with emphasis on the first syllable, so I think it's got a claim to be the more venerable and elite pronunciation. I've always enjoyed the stress on the first syllable, it rolls off the tongue, gives certain phrases a really nice cadence cf. "he's a fool with guitar"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TuWzAqMfu8
my grandma used to say "banJO" which was too elite for me
― ogmor, Sunday, 26 August 2018 13:42 (seven years ago)
otoh "keytar" has no correct pronunciation
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 26 August 2018 13:58 (seven years ago)
now look at them yo-yo's that's the way you do ityou play the guit-tar on the mtv
― my dream is to never be a champion (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 26 August 2018 14:01 (seven years ago)
"banJO" is canonical from "i've been workin' on the railroad" tho
― Doctor Casϵϵno (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 26 August 2018 14:07 (seven years ago)
GZA dies this on that “you could see the prints on the strings of his GUItar” line in As High As Wu-Tang Get
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 26 August 2018 14:13 (seven years ago)
Does this
Does "Sultans of Swings" do this? Can't bring myself to listen to it again, not my favorite band.
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 August 2018 14:14 (seven years ago)
“Check our GUITar George/He knows all the chords” is that the lyric?
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 August 2018 14:20 (seven years ago)
Yes. I believe that Matt "Guitar" Murphy may also be an example
― Runcibly spooning (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 26 August 2018 14:38 (seven years ago)
ogmor
I've always pronounced the greek root kithara with emphasis on the first syllable, so I think it's got a claim to be the more venerable and elite pronunciation.
bonus points for pedantry
― Runcibly spooning (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 26 August 2018 14:40 (seven years ago)
Of course "Loser" has "He hung himself with a GUITar string"
And the Gourds' "Burn the Honeysuckle" has "killed me a panther before I was even born, with a pocketknife and a GUITar string and a live honeycomb."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8nvMChadA8
― Runcibly spooning (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 26 August 2018 14:44 (seven years ago)
um, "born" there should be "grown"
― Runcibly spooning (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 26 August 2018 14:51 (seven years ago)
https://img.discogs.com/Yj3vP8Fo14rpQTWJRogxhvwX0tE=/fit-in/600x611/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-7482654-1442579042-1165.jpeg.jpg
― These Sticks Were Made For Dipping (Old Lunch), Sunday, 26 August 2018 15:43 (seven years ago)
They’re both valid pronunciations.
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Sunday, 26 August 2018 16:00 (seven years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DkcQ09h2Vo
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 August 2018 16:11 (seven years ago)
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 August 2018 16:12 (seven years ago)
Check m-w.com
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Sunday, 26 August 2018 16:16 (seven years ago)
Any speculation as to how the pronunciation has changed over time? My dad always used "GUITar" and other older relatives who were around the same age (born in early 1900s) pronounced it that way too.
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 26 August 2018 17:00 (seven years ago)
Webster's 1828 has it with stress on the first syllable.
GUIT'AR, noun git'ar. [Latin cithara.] A stringed instrument of music; in England and the United States, used chiefly by ladies, but in Spain and Italy, much used by men.
― mick signals, Sunday, 26 August 2018 17:29 (seven years ago)
especially Southern and Midland US also ˈgi-ˌtär \
Had no idea. That doesn't explain Def Leppard, though, right?https://youtu.be/5o1G0GSiNQM?t=3m40s
― The inexorable rise of identity condiments (Sund4r), Sunday, 26 August 2018 17:31 (seven years ago)
“Guitar George” sounds pretty normal to me.
“Pop Goes the World” totally does this.
― JoeStork, Sunday, 26 August 2018 17:35 (seven years ago)
in England and the United States, used chiefly by ladiesluv it
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Sunday, 26 August 2018 17:38 (seven years ago)
http://jasobrecht.com/blues-origins-spanish-fandango-and-sebastopol/
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 August 2018 17:39 (seven years ago)
Think the first time I heard this may have been For Those About To Rock We Salute You.
― incarcerated moonfaces (how's life), Sunday, 26 August 2018 18:50 (seven years ago)
Seems to me the alternate pronunciation is a regionalism, in addition to whatever songwriting trick or crutch it may be.
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 August 2018 19:09 (seven years ago)
Mott the Hoople: Honaloochie Boogie
I get my kicks out of GUITar licks
― kornrulez6969, Sunday, 26 August 2018 22:07 (seven years ago)
language is nothing *but* regionalism, please
― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 26 August 2018 22:11 (seven years ago)
Oh please.
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 August 2018 22:14 (seven years ago)
Noodle please
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 August 2018 22:15 (seven years ago)
Some regionalisms are bigger than others
you're arguing for "correct" pronunciation?
― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 26 August 2018 22:17 (seven years ago)
No, not exactly. In any case, take it up with the thread starter who put the word “Misplaced” in the title.
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 August 2018 22:25 (seven years ago)
If I wanted to say “GUI-tar” with three syllables, would you accept that pronunciation?
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 August 2018 22:28 (seven years ago)
Unless it was some kind of internet speak for “GUI avatar”
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 August 2018 22:29 (seven years ago)
I was gonna take it up with the thread starter tbh but hey
― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 26 August 2018 22:31 (seven years ago)
"Trombone" has the same issue
― Josefa, Sunday, 26 August 2018 23:15 (seven years ago)
Digital Underground "Tales of the Funky"
"I said I know the drummer can you let me inTell the Gui-tar player that I brought a friend"
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 15:28 (seven years ago)