what music do the equivalent fans of 1998 nu metal listen to in 2018?

I dont mean the literal same fans, but their kids or what have you. Who are the 2018 slipknots, korns, sevendusts?

Brockhampton?

https://hardrockdaddy.com/2018/10/30/hrd-radio-report-week-ending-102718/

Death Grips?

twenty one pilots?

Ski Mask the Slump God

five finger death punch

XXX is the answer, I’m afraid

xxx is the only one of these who veers that way but even then...hes really a rap artist more than anything... like "sad!" sounds more like uzi adjacent ... but i agree hes prob tapped that fanbase more than anyone else mentioned here ... twenty one pilots kinda but isn't that just pop/alternative rock-rap? or sthing idk

half the name on that hard rock radio report are over a decade old! plus one that just apes Led Zeppelin LOL

It’s as close as I can get to ID’ing the equivalent listener niche. What were nu-metal fans if not core Active Rock listeners?

To put it another way — what did the equivalent fans of 1988 hair metal listen to in 2008?

Lana Del Rey

To put it another way — what did the equivalent fans of 1988 hair metal listen to in 2008?

are you talking about the majority of white teenagers or ...?

obv the answer is The Beatles

yeah true, twenty one pilots fit more with the linkin park side of nu-metal rather than the korn, slipknot etc. side referenced in the op, that's what i was thinking of

69

Trippie Redd

69 appeal prob has some overlap, but trippie redd no way

The problem w using radio format as a guide ... surely all these kids are using streaming like normal teenagers ?

EDM.

Maybe that's more at the frattier Limp Bizkit end as well but it seems to make sense.

Bring Me The Horizon are huge here and one of the few newer rock bands who feel like they could concievably headline Reading & Leeds but I feel like a rock band probably isn't the answer here.

If a rock band isn’t the answer, I must really be off the mark with my comments above (and have misunderstood the question)

Rob Bailey & The Hustle Standard, and others from Lifting Heavy Shit playlists on Spotify.

BMtH is a good answer but tbh there's not really a good answer to this just because of how much more fractured the listener base is. There aren't any bands with that broad demographic appeal that have mainstream visibility as the nu-metal bands did, with the exception of the Problematic Rappers

If a rock band isn’t the answer, I must really be off the mark with my comments above (and have misunderstood the question)

It's p unclear to me what an "equivalent fan" is. If this means something like "listeners fitting a similar demographic profile in terms of race, sex, and class", it would probably help to have some data on what this was for nu-metal and what we're looking for now.

I hope it’s artists like Gila

are you talking about the majority of white teenagers or ...?

It's p unclear to me what an "equivalent fan" is. If this means something like "listeners fitting a similar demographic profile in terms of race, sex, and class", it would probably help to have some data on what this was for nu-metal and what we're looking for now.

Yeah, FTR, I’m talking about core hard-rock fans ages ~16-30. My supposition is that they will listen to whatever rock is most popular/accessible at the moment (to the extent there can be an “equivalent” fanbase for a particular style of rock, in a era when it doesn’t really exist).

Like you could also ask what the “equivalent” fans were listening to in 1972 — it would be Deep Purple and stuff like that. I wasn’t assuming that the particular aesthetics of nu-metal were important to the question (but maybe they are to others here).

I'm not entirely convinced there WAS an equivalent group of fans before nu-metal, it almost felt like it created a fanbase for itself out of a very particular demographic that might not have bothered with metal at all in prior generations (or subsequent ones for that matter). Which is why I think focusing on rock bands might be a mistake.

What very particular demographic was that? These bands were multi-platinum in North America. I was 19 in 1998 and knew men and women of different races who listened to them.

morrisp, the reason why i don't think the answer to the question is a rock band is that rock music is far far far less popular than it has ever been, especially among today's youth.

nu metal had a pretty broad listener base by 1998, but I still think of it as springing up from the midwest. At least it seems like Korn was big there before they were in the rest of America.

Here is a data-driven answer: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/06WUOWdYQt9quBqMXCXQK9

five finger death punch

yeah otm

Voodoo C. — I guess I’m not understanding what popularity has to do with it (or what an “equivalent listener” would be, if not a rock listener; even if there are fewer of them).

i think deej is approaching it from "what would those dudes from your high school who loved nu-metal be listening to if they grew up today"

and the answer is "probably not rock"

i imagine that active rock chart is fairly representative of what those literal nu-metal bros from 1998 are listening to right now

Yeah, I was thinking behind just teenagers (I was past high school at that point myself).

The problem with the “rock radio” chart isn’t that it’s rock, it’s that it’s radio!

That said the edm argument is a strong one

Like what is bassnectar? Do they sound like incubus

was incubus nu-metal?

xxp Yeah, I totally get it -- "the kids" don't listen to radio. I'm definitely no help in figuring out what today's sociological equivalent of the "nu-metal kids" are listening to. (I could ask a teenage family member, but I wouldn't even know how to describe the kids I'd be asking about!) I do know that the punk kids still seem to listen to classic punk (and an ever-evolving sprinkling of newer / local punk bands); maybe it's similar?

they'd probably be into trap? i sort of feel like edm isn't macho enough.

i woulda said skrillex if you asked me 'round 2010 or so

was incubus nu-metal?

― twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:29 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

more or less, in their early career. they had some funk metal with a clear Mr Bungle reference but also some songs with nu-metally riffs and turntable scratches. They toured with Korn during this period. Everything after the album S.C.I.E.N.C.E is no longer nu-metal at all and there was always maybe a bit of an alternative rock thing going there.

i always thought of them more in the rhcp or 311 vibe than nu-metal, but i guess people my age started getting into them post-"Drive" (i was in middle school)

crow left of the murder was the incubus album my friends liked

i mean, I really do think it's probably big mainstream rock/metal bands like Five Finger Death Punch, Greta Van Fleet, Hollywood Undead, Bad Wolves, Twenty One Pilots, All That Remains, Asking Alexandria, etc, but we – mercifully – no longer live in a world where the interests of disaffected white boys dictates the entire media landscape

first bit yes, second bit gentle lol

crow left of the murder was the incubus album my friends liked

― twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:43 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah that's like 7 years post nu-metal incubus

let's talk more about 90s incubus imo

fwiw the bits of nu metal culture i remember being exposed to make me think like korn and limp bizkit were about tapping into basic anger and aggression with a side of misogyny, i.e. the main emotional thoroughfare young white men are encouraged to take, and wallowing in it. i have no idea what the 2018 equivalent of that is because i have a low tolerance for that kind of expression and i actively avoid it (and i'm not like a music writer lol).

ok if we're really not going to talk about incubus some more: answer would be like, i dunno, ghostemane?

i want to hear more about incubus and i have snacks.

xxp that's why i was thinking triple x

I got free tickets to this SnoCore tour that was Puya, System of a Down, Incubus and Mr. Bungle and the Incubus dude played a didgeridoo and my friend got so mad because there was this pretentious hippie guy in his freshman dorm (small college in iowa) who would get out his didgeridoo to impress girls and my friend hated that guy so much and that's all i got to say about that

xp. Early Incubus definitely demonstrates the diversity of nu-metal in terms of being quite an eclectic group, miles away aesthetically from the more arch exemplars such as Limp Bizkit (even tho there is some rap metal in incubus) and Korn in some respects, also not particularly similar to more "cool" nu-metal like Deftones with their 4AD influence etc. while still markedly falling under the category. They were able to avoid going stale when nu-metal became passé by simply segueing away from certain aspects of their sound towards others.

Incubus also not a particularly macho exponents of nu-metal, dreamy-hippy singer who played bongos and didgeridoo and was into environmentalism

i like incubus they sound nice

who would get out his didgeridoo to impress girls

times up

i wonder where you store your didgeridoo if you're in a dorm. up next to the floor lamp i guess.

So gonna happen

at the time i didnt like this song but now i love it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8295rOMvtQI

half the name on that hard rock radio report are over a decade old!

this has been the case on rock radio since the '80s tbrr

I looked at the top 10 artists on last.fm and I have to assume that these guys are the Slipknot of today:

https://i.imgur.com/b0xmxEe.jpg

u think...lastfm is representative of what slipknot fans would be today?

what about this sort of thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQRsDx11pCg

lmao @ wikipedia page for "megalomaniac"

Lyrical interpretations
Lead singer Brandon Boyd says the song is not specifically targeting anybody - the song's meaning pertains to megalomaniacs in general with a particular emphasis on El Guapo from the American comedy film Three Amigos.[1]

Music video
The video shows images of Adolf Hitler interspersed with shots of the band and of many people who are protesting. As the video progresses, officers are sent to disperse the crowd. The speaker's podium rises very high - then it is revealed that the podium is actually a gas pump. The gas pump spurts oil over the crowd, while the main figure's head is consumed by a bald eagle and starts eating people that turned into fish.

suicide boyz is kinda on the verge i think...was trying to think of their name earlier lol

I suppose the latent audience I was thinking about was a kind of overlap between gothy self-pity and fratboy dickery, which doesn't really exist as a defined audience segment before nu-metal but has persisted since.

One of the reasons that EDM doesn't quite work is that it's eaten up the fratboy market but less so the self-pitying bit. Morose autotune rap seems to fit better in general.

(Speaking of which, does Lil Peep work here?)

It's kind of how in Britain Oasis tapped into this massive demographic that had always been there and never really coalesced around anything before, and ever since you've had this constant stream of bands aimed directly at the Oasis Fan.

lil peep might fit, but sorta the way incubus does--he's a bit too graceful. suicide boyz feels closer to the heart of it, but despite some high youtube views they aren't actually making, like, hit records

i mean, for that matter, Peep has some massive youtube records (133 mil on the biggest) but those arent even really charting singles ... suicide boyz are further. limp bizkit had HITS

I know they're not nu-metal but lol @ Blink 182 collaborating with Steve Aoki.

maybe i'm tripping though and streaming makes the 'hits' call more ambiguous. 63 mil is something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqtobIpZt68

i don't really know the answer to this thread but i'd like to echo that incubus has jams

a kind of overlap between gothy self-pity and fratboy dickery

Best exemplified by Limp Bizkit’s “Behind Blue Eyes.”

I suppose the latent audience I was thinking about was a kind of overlap between gothy self-pity and fratboy dickery, which doesn't really exist as a defined audience segment before nu-metal but has persisted since.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHhaHBVUSQ0

Faith No More, making/inspiring the shittiest music on Earth since 1985.

fighting words

$uicideBoy$ and that whole scene.

yeah seconding $uicideboy$, that also corroborates the EDM thing by way of that producer Getter they work with a lot who also raps under the name Terror Reid.

greta van fleet

Ben Shapiro

boom

my 15 yo cousin listens to ‘knot

is country music the new nu-metal?

Cuz it has hella fratboy dickery even if it’s low on goth

I'm fairly sure that country music is the new country music but what do I know.

Are you familiar with Upchurch

https://youtu.be/B3KIuWhM24Q

Y'all wrote this whole thread and didn't say Post Malone?

Post Malone is invisible to anyone who writes about music

post malone isn't very aggro ... like aesthetically hes closer to drake in a musical sense even if image wise hes like a pretend metal head who croons about bon scott

but maybe you're right!

The new Gesaffelstein vid seems vaguely relevant to the evolution of this type of dude?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3YPik6HTpw

Grimes

Former Five Finger Death Punch Drummer Jeremy Spencer is a Cop Now

http://www.metalsucks.net/2019/06/10/former-five-finger-death-punch-drummer-jeremy-spencer-is-a-cop-now/

nu lives matter