Morrissey is a racist

See above.

who?

Morrissey

not ringing any bells

https://i.imgur.com/6pzFKLv.jpg

i still enjoy the music of morrissey and feel conflicted. has ilx ever discussed this sort of moral dilemma before?

no

he was in that one band, kind of like a goth Aztec Camers

Yes, he definitely is.

Bill Morrissey, as he is known professionally, is one of New England’s best singer-songwriters.

http://home.bt.com/images/terry-wogan-at-eurovision-136404222879110401-160223153133.jpg

thank you jim, you are the hero of ilx

I think he was Johnny marrs singer, aka the guy who played guitar for the the. I guess he had a band before that

Johnny Mars from Modest Mouse?

No, Johnny Mars from Motley Crue, iirc.

Great, You caught one.

Like shooting f ish in a oxygen bar,
re a lly.

Long Tim Jonze article in Guardian today

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/may/30/bigmouth-strikes-again-morrissey-songs-loneliness-shyness-misfits-far-right-party-tonight-show-jimmy-fallon

the url gives me the gist

Every time this happens there’s always a dozen articles with the title “bigmouth strikes again”, if only the smiths had done a song called “very stupid cunt keeps shitting himself let’s talk about it”

I'd gladly read that Tim Jonze long read if he was offering a $1 per word.

“the morrissey you, the further away i get”

xxxp it does. the article is 90% rehashing, but includes bits from a couple of interviews with Asian artists, also interesting to see how he has tried to manage all of this using lawyers but appears to have given up.

Around the time he sued NME, Morrissey forced the Word magazine into an apology over a review that said he was “paying lip service to anti-racism while talking like an old Tory immigration spokesman”

Why in the world would they apologize for that basic statement of fact

Because libel law in the UK is ridiculous and Morrissey likes to have his lawyers send out threatening letters and as far as editors are concerned it isn't worth the hassle?

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/may/30/bigmouth-strikes-again-morrissey-songs-loneliness-shyness-misfits-far-right-party-tonight-show-jimmy-fallon

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, May 30, 2019 8:07 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I am just so glad that Morrissey isn't doing Misfits covers.

Because libel law in the UK is ridiculous and Morrissey likes to have his lawyers send out threatening letters and as far as editors are concerned it isn't worth the hassle?

Obviously! Although the statement was about as inarguable as "Morrissey has hair."

why is it always the worst ones who have hair?

Wow at the idea that what's being criticized about "Bengali in Platforms" is its "tone."

very stupid (la-di-da da-da)
very stupid (la-di-di-daaa)

wins, I think this could work

why is it always the worst ones who have hair?

Moz pretty clearly tolerates a certain amount of immigration to his scalp.

Irish Hair, English Arsehole

Yes, but was he a racist?

Was, is, and ever shall be

The past is a different country, but Morrissey is still racist there.

I just feel bad for all the people who named their cats Steven Meowrissey

He has tweeted someone's blog post in defense of himself. It's all about veganism and shaking things up, you idiots:

In his open support for the party For Britain , (which seems to have caused the most controversy in recent years) Morrissey has explained his admiration for the party leader's (Anne Marie Water) vegan lifestyle and huge dedication to animal protection. He has long expressed how he is tired of the same two political groups running the game again and again, he wants to see a shake up in politics, as many of us do. Much of the criticism levelled at Morrissey's endorsement of For Britain stems from accusations that the party are either “racist” or “anti-Islam” (a meaningless claim when you consider that even some ex-Muslims openly support the party, and they have members of all backgrounds).

It goes on.

https://www.tremr.com/Fiona-Dodwell/the-guardian-and-the-morrissey-vendetta

“racist” or “anti-Islam” (a meaningless claim when you consider that even some ex-Muslims openly support the party, and they have members of all backgrounds)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

Any actual Muslims support this non-racist, non-Islamophoboc party?

so wait, morrissey's argument here is literally "hitler was a vegetarian"?

what's his backup argument, "hitler was a sensitive man"?

Hitler was a lesbian.

Some guy named 4chan said Hitler did nothing wrong.

Also, can we start a new thread titled 'Morrissey is a fascist'?

He could say Hitler was right to kill the Jews and legions of his fans would defend him and claim he's misunderstood.

... and that's no joke btw.

ol' Moz bringin' out the Godwin's law on ilx, gotta love it

what's his backup argument, "hitler was a sensitive man"?

Charming man

TS: Steven Patrick Morrissey vs Mikko Aspa

Godwin himself approves a common sense exception to invoking his law when ppl are discussing actual confirmed white supremacists tbfttl

By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with you.

— Mike Godwin (@sfmnemonic) August 14, 2017

so pleased to finally meet you Mike...I've invoked your name countless times on message borads over the decades....

don't make me like morrissey again

I know, right???

there's a little yin in every yang

Probably related to Trump's diet rather than his politics

"bloke thinks he can get away w/ serving McDonald's, not on my watch"

Trump is often used by terrible garbage ppl as someone to distance themselves from to convince themselves and perhaps others that they are not actually terrible garbage people.

He's also exhausted: https://www.morrissey-solo.com/threads/official-manager-statement-regarding-morrissey%E2%80%99s-health-january-26-2024.151949/

Zurich is stained.

The bump in the Smiths thread led me to this Telegraph article which I hadn’t seen, and my God, what an awful cunt!

https://archive.is/nYsd6

YOU CAN’T SAY ANYTHING ANYMORE

Photo of this abject pensioner with tape over his mouth, just too too funny I’m afraid

Morrissey sings of a fan being “vapourised” and the song ends with an unsettling repeated coda to “Go easy on the killer”, which appears to be a comment on the British justice system (the bomber Salman Abedi died on the night).

“Every major label in London has refused Bonfire of Teenagers whilst also admitting that it is a masterpiece,” Morrissey says.

With the album in limbo, things got surreal. Morrissey accused Capitol of prioritising label-mate Sam Smith’s “satanism” over his own work after Smith wore devil horns during a Brit Awards performance.

He is such a risible dimwit.

I've seen on TV that major labels eat pets

used books store opened up around the corner and it seems many a household did not find Morrissey's autobio worthy of keeping

Yes, a very common chazza find (which depressingly indicates it did sell a lot of copies at one point). You don't see his novel nearly so often...

Telegraph straight up copying Alan Partridge skits

https://i.ibb.co/vDJSqy7/alan-partridge-mid-morning-0204.jpg

spare a thought for poor moz, so cancelled that the only place he can find to share his complex thoughts is in the pages of a leading national newspaper

if only there was some way to release music in 2024 without the backing of a major label

GB News record label incoming

Mumford banjoist's dad to the rescue of the Spectator and Morrissey.

if only there was some way to release music in 2024 without the backing of a major label

this is one of the things about him that's both hilarious and pathetic, and defines him imo -- he desires the imprimatur, he needs a label or a publisher to be vouching for him: it's really important to him (cf. his wanting, and getting, Penguin Classics to publish his autobiography, an aesthetic desire too to be sure, but there's more in there). he's not an artist for whom having made the art and put it out into the world is enough, not even if it makes money that way. he needs the organs of industry to tell him "we believe in you."

which, I mean, at least in america, racists are exactly like that -- they want the press and schools and publishers to give them a place at the table. building their own table is not, for most of them, an appealing option -- they are insulted by the idea. they want the culture to validate them.

Loving this observation about the racists demanding a place at the table. Really characterizes something I've felt but couldn't articulate.

this is true but it also goes beyond that for Morrissey - he also needs to be at the table so that he can flip it over and storm out in a huff when he inevitably sours on the relationship, it's critical to his self-image to have that love/hate acceptance/rejection dynamic.

and thats always been there in the music, and why it appeals to teenagers. the problem is when you don't push yourself to develop adult emotions, self-reflect and not project everything onto easy external targets

fuck racists and also... i mean i kind of understand it? i don't only want to be around and accepted by "my own kind". that's probably even more true with racists, because, i mean. racists are shitty, awful people. if those are the only people one gets to hang out with, i can see that being kind of a bummer. in this case, the reason racists wind up associating with "their own kind" is because their beliefs, words, and actions are dangerous to, like, everyone else. it's _necessary_ to exclude them as long as they're doing and promoting racist shit. i knew this lady who was like... she was raised with these right-wing conservative values and she was also a trans woman and it tore her up that she felt like she had to _choose_. and how the fuck am i gonna explain something like that? i mean she wound up going to DC on jan 6, 2021, and me and all her other trans friends stopped talking to her. sometimes people gotta give up stuff they've been taught, things they've internalized, and if someone doesn't do that, it's right and necessary to exclude them. that's what frustrates me about people who are always reaching out and trying to get the support and approval of racists. it's literally impossible to be on "everyone's" side.

no other artist was as obsessed with the music press as Morrissey

frank zappa maybe

yeah it's pathological & always has been, the craft is secondary to his presence as a player in the scene

He was writing letters to the NME before he was famous!

it's probably just me but i feel like being an amateur racist crank doesn't get you off the hook for being a professional racist crank

"SCANDINAVIA !

The pain at not reaching Stockholm this week is horrific for the band and crew. I know it’s impossible for people to understand, but we dream of Stockholm, Reykjavik, Trondheim, Helsinki, Aarhus ... but there is no financial support from imaginary record labels to get us to such places. In the last seven days we have traveled into six countries, and we are travel-weary beyond belief. We can barely see. We pray to God that someone, somewhere can help us reach Sweden, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Denmark ... where we have thousands upon thousands of friends, yet absolutely zero music industry support. No label will release our music, no radio will play our music ... and yet our ticket sales are sensational. What does this tell us about the state of Art in 2025?
The wagon rolls on to Berlin, 27 June. With the grace of God we will all gather. I love all of you with whatever is left of my doomed heart.

MORRISSEY. "

oh dear, poor man.

You'd think Peter Thiel or someone would fund it, just for getting the messages out.

Helsinki and Reykjavik aren't in Scandinavia, dumbass.

In the last seven days we have traveled into six countries, and we are travel-weary beyond belief. We can barely see. We pray to God that someone, somewhere can help us reach Sweden, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Denmark ...

Please, my wife...she is very cancelled...

No label will release our music, no radio will play our music ... and yet our ticket sales are sensational. What does this tell us about the state of Art in 2025?

Your old fans still want to hear you sing your old tunes for nostalgia purposes but no fucker's gonna listen to a new record from you?

I'm quite disappointed that, in addition to cancelling his concerts, he's also pulled out of an appearance on Allsång på Skansen, which would’ve been completely bizarre. It's a series of summer concerts and TV broadcasts held in a large park in Stockholm, featuring mostly family-friendly performers. They typically do one of their own songs on stage, followed by a well-known, usually Swedish, song while walking through the audience and handing the microphone to people of all ages to sing a line or two.

haha would love to see that

if you're able to forget all the stupid things he says, you could probably have a pretty good time at one of these gigs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PMGZ11mnZE

If he bothers to turn up that is.

yeah tour seems a logistic trainwreck, could prob use a manager but then he is notoriously unmanageable

Why does that Morrissey diary read like he's about to get invited into a mysterious castle in Romania?

it reads like a letter from Jonathan Harker to Mina, working best if imagined with Keanu's voice

I love all of you with whatever is left of my doomed heart.

Sadly, I must away. There's something I want to watch on GB News shortly.

Morrissey basically writes like all the moody teens who were into the Smiths in the 80s.

Im confused by the context of this - is he cancelling dates because he ran out of money mid-tour?

More importantly, is he booking this tour himself, punk rock style, making calls from the road trying to find new gigs?

Anyway, he is so full of shit, of course. When he says people won't do XYZ, he means people won't pay what he is asking, which is probably some insane amount.

i don't understand what he's saying at all. did they have shows in sweden that they cancelled? "our ticket sales are sensational" ok then why did you cancel the shows? you shouldn't need any additional 'industry support' if you sold out those shows.

_I love all of you with whatever is left of my doomed heart._

It's ironic that a dude who is constantly on the cusp of cancellation is most famous these days for canceling.

In the last seven days we have traveled into six countries, and we are travel-weary beyond belief. We can barely see.

like, how does the problem of being "travel weary" relate to not having any label support... does he want a bigger bus?

our ticket sales are sensational.

Biggest ticket sales ever.

Beautiful ticket sales.