Last 12 Months The Best In Music For Years?

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NME editor Conor McNicholas said: "Once in a generation something so revolutionary happens in music that afterwards nothing is ever the same again. Right now, that's exactly what's happening.

"The last 12 months have been one of the most amazing periods for music in living memory. After five years where pop culture has amounted to little more than a seemingly endless conveyor belt of bland and contrived non-entities, kids across the planet are suddenly, and spontaneously, rediscovering the thrill of rock music.

Which planet is this guy on?

― Brad, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 23:30 (twenty-three years ago)

one of the reasons the last two years have been the best in music for, like, ages has been the endless conveyor belt of great pop!!

haha "spontaneously" in the sense of "we put them on the cover of the nme and some of our readers didn't totally object"

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 23:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Which planet is this guy on?

Planet Fucking RIFF, dude!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 23:37 (twenty-three years ago)

does he say who he means brad?

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 23:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, I've been able to listen to non-oldies non-NPR radio with a much greater consistency in the last twelve months or so, it's true.

That doesn't mean it's revolutionary, just that there has been much less pronounced suckage in pop music than there has been since around 1994/5 or so, in my memory.

― Tom Millar (Millar), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 23:39 (twenty-three years ago)

he was featured on that 100 best-selling singles ever, on C4, saying exactly the same thing about the arrival of oasis btw, so i'm not quite sure what "living memory" is meant to mean

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 23:42 (twenty-three years ago)

does he say who he means?

The Libertines, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, The Beatings, The Von Bondies, The Datsuns, Ikara Colt, Cooper Temple Clause, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, Interpol, The Thrills, The Coral, Radio 4, Burning Bridges, The D4 and The Music.

― JoB (JoB), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 23:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm more into new music this year than ever. Conor McNicholas has probably switched most of it off in disgust.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 23:51 (twenty-three years ago)

''The Libertines, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, The Beatings, The Von Bondies, The Datsuns, Ikara Colt, Cooper Temple Clause, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, Interpol, The Thrills, The Coral, Radio 4, Burning Bridges, The D4 and The Music''

heard a couple of those (by accident again). i did not like what i heard.

In fact, the coral was in the focus group. if that's correct i gave what it deserved (a zero of course).

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 23:55 (twenty-three years ago)

i filled up 7 CDs worth of favorite singles this year. last year it was 2 or 3.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 23:55 (twenty-three years ago)

fuckin cockfarming NMe and their blatant disregard for all things electronic/danceable...the mid 90s were far more exciting than right now in my book, maybe even for rock music too

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually this yr has seen quite a few great sort-of rock singles. Jess what were on your 7 CDs of joy?

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 00:01 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah but "sort-of rock singles" doesn't = "the kids discovered them spontaneously" either!!

(unless he means they spontaneously heard them on the radio)

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 00:07 (twenty-three years ago)

i was surprised at how much psudeo-rock was in my favorites!

pretty much what you'd expect tom if you looked at the "best singles 2002" thread. plus cherry picking from tim, ronan, michaelangelo, and sundry's lists.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 00:08 (twenty-three years ago)

i miss sundry :(

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 00:10 (twenty-three years ago)

that there has been much less pronounced suckage in pop music than there has been since around 1994/5 or so

Well, a quick glance at this year's charts reveals quite a lot of obvious suckage: the whole "star academy"-type thing, Ronan Keating, Jive Jones, Nelly, Justin Timberlake, Christina Aguilera, POD, Fat Joe, Nickelback, Linkin Park, Lasgo, Billy Crawford, Enrique Iglesias, O-Town, Mad'house, Puddle Of Mudd, Ian Van Dahl, P Diddy, The Calling, U2, Pink, Jan Wayne, Ja Rule, Sylver, Sum 41.

― Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 00:15 (twenty-three years ago)

ignoring the fact that pink = great, that's a fairly low *percentage* of suckage given that it's now november, siegbran

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 00:24 (twenty-three years ago)

It's been the worst fucking year for chart music ever. I think the only top ten I haven't hated is "Dy-Na-Mi-Tee".

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 00:58 (twenty-three years ago)

more proof dom is insane.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 01:21 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, this Conor McN is right ...for all the wrong reasons

― Paul (scifisoul), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 01:30 (twenty-three years ago)

ilm's mentacles have critical opinion in their grasp

― boxcubed (boxcubed), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 02:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Frankly, music has never sucked. Every single year there has been good music, and if you dont think so, you didnt look hard enough.

That said, this guy is obviously talking about garage rock saving America from pop.

In all honesty, I never saw a problem with pop. The Backstreet Boys, NSYNC, they made great pop records. Little girls loved it, and there's nothing wrong with that.

What needs to go away and never come back however, is this drudgy post-grunge shit. Nickelback, Default, Saliva, Lighthouse, Puddle of Mudd, and all of their brethren with their blurry album cover-art and anoying whinning. The garage rock "revival" thing may be totally contrived, but even the worst of them is better then Nickelback.

― David Allen, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:05 (twenty-three years ago)

dance,pop and rock all sucked satans cocks this year - mostly a podgie pastiche of sad old fuickers doing even sadder music. The best thing to come out of pop this year was kylie's ass cheeks.

― Queen G (Queeng), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 06:28 (twenty-three years ago)

The best thing in music this year was Sophie Ellis Bextor holding a dead fox.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 09:13 (twenty-three years ago)

well, its going to be the same every year with the charts. maybe tom, jess, mark s et al are paying even more attention to it because pop gets discussed on ILM every week an dposters do threads on specific tracks/things they like so you're always getting tips.

when i say its the same every year, what i mean is: that so many singles are released week in, week out that you're gonna have loads that suck and many many that are good and I'd say, at least 5 CDs worth of great stuff.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 09:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Didn't that dude used to work for Muzik and Mixmag? "Yeah Mom, I got the job I wanted, I can stop living this horrible lie with the bleep bleep shit".

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 10:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Surely it could be the other way round: "Yeah Mom, I had to sell out to the MAN and pretend to like this horrible grungey posturing trad-rock shite"

― alext (alext), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 11:51 (twenty-three years ago)

what Paul scifisoul (and mark s) said

― Jeff W, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 12:09 (twenty-three years ago)

It HAS been a great 12 months for music, but none of the bands this guy is talking about have helped much.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I love how rock=skinny white nerds. Macho groups like Creed and rap-rock evidently are not "rock" to people. Like 'em or not, "rock" has been doing fine these last few years. The only difference is there are more bands now that more bands that sound "respectable." If anything, the glee feels like a retrenchment (which isn't to say I don't enjoy many of these bands).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 16:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Creed + Macho = Mentalism.

― Mike Taylor (mjt), Thursday, 21 November 2002 06:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Anthony makes a very good point nonetheless

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 21 November 2002 07:09 (twenty-three years ago)

He does indeed. I draw a clear distinction between someone like Tom, who notes what he hears in certain rock bands now that he likes very much and gives him a charge, and that stupid thing on Rolling Stone about how 'rock is back' because of the Vines. ARGH.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 November 2002 17:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Surely what the garage rock people are replacing isn't MTV-pop but Kerrang-metal? I mean if I start watching The Box (music channel) there's no less representation from Britney but a whole lot less from Limp Bizkit etc. than over the last couple years. Did anyone prefer Linkin Park to the Strokes?

The new ubiquity of the Neptunes strikes me as the best 'thing' in music this year, although I can see who someone who'd heard of them before this year might disagree..

― thom west (thom w), Thursday, 21 November 2002 19:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Did anyone prefer Linkin Park to the Strokes?

YES.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 21 November 2002 19:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Mind if I echo my doppelganger? Thanks.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 November 2002 19:34 (twenty-three years ago)

it wd be ok when they said "rock is back!!" on the cover if they also sometimes said "rock has gone away!" and "rock is over there!" and stuff

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 21 November 2002 21:37 (twenty-three years ago)

it's behind you!

― RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 21 November 2002 21:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Where? Is? The? Rock?

Oh. It's under my shoe.

― kate, Thursday, 21 November 2002 21:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I see you're shoegazing again...

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 21 November 2002 22:08 (twenty-three years ago)

They should print an OS map with each issue to show where each genre is. Rock may be back but Prog is somewhere over between the church and the Triangulation Point.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 22 November 2002 01:02 (twenty-three years ago)

While I'll definitely speak for singles by Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Crazy Town's Butterfly, Youth of A Nation and other rap-metal whatnots, the new stuff I've been hearing is atrocious. If garage rock DOES kick these guys off the screen (which they haven't yet, folks. White Stripes going gold doesn't equal Limp Bizkit going 5 times platinum), it will be due to it's one weakness. Recently on MTV I had the unfortunate pleasure of hearing Hoobastank's latest, Chevelle's single, Saliva's new one (made interesting only because of the singer's comment "does it make you feel like more of a man?" that would seemingly imply homosexual content), and Crazy Town's retched, absurd, new "post-fame" single (I again thank Sugar Ray for actually caving into their fluke hit rather than sticking it out as shit-metal like Crazy Town evidently is).

People forget that hair metal was already on its way out when Nirvana broke. Most of the bands had already laid off the make-up and few hard rockers were doing well aside from ballads (aside from folks like Aerosmith and Metallica who continued unabated). Likewise, if the next Strokes album goes multi-platinum don't say it KILLED rap-rock/macho-rock whatever, cuz these guys were dying anyhow.

I also would like to note the irony that where Nirvana and Pearl Jam brought bad vibes to metal's more diverse palette (at least if VH1 and my adolescent recollections don't lie to me), this time the nerds are bringing back the happy songs, and its the macho people who won't stop crying.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 22 November 2002 03:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I hope you've sent in a focus group ballot, Anthony.

― Jeff W (Jeff W), Friday, 22 November 2002 10:42 (twenty-three years ago)

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