DaThread for DaBaby

still digesting KIRK, which is up-and-down imo, but the baby man deserves his own thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce1lTmRtIkM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2JyeciEwSI

Still digesting Kirk too, but I love Baby on Baby

crap, can a mod move this to ILM?

thanks mods!

anyway, listened to KIRK a second time and it has moments of both dullness and exhilaration. the album suffers from dreams & nightmares syndrome where the first song is such a creative peak that everything else can't help but pale in comparison. there's a push/pull between dababy's effort to make another bars-first record in the mold of baby on baby or blank blank and some a&r booking a few too many guest stars in desperate search for a radio single (does nicki minaj really bring anything worthwhile to a song in 2019?. the songs with kevin gates and stunna 4 times are good, but the best songs are the ones where baby gets to be baby and just lay down 2 mins worth of bars without taking a breath. it's a blessing that baby came of age in the time of 35 minute rap albums, instead of the age of 78 minute rap albums--since his intensity is always turned up to 11, his schtick can turn from exciting to groan-inducing pretty quickly.

still, dude is a very welcome presence in rap and he keeps killing guest verses. gonna do what i've done for his other albums and put the best moments on my rap playlist and say goodbye to the rest.

lol that VIBEZ video rules

just shot through KIRK; i think you're dead on, voodoo - definite girl with the curl syndrome.

just performed on snl and "bop" is well on its way to becoming his next one to blanket the airwaves... slightly disappointed about that second part as that song feels like such a sequel -- especially to "suge" of course but also some other scattered lines thruout some of his other hits. it's still a solid song tho

he’s both post-hype and more popular than ever right now

fwiw his verse on the ‘rockstar’ remix is one of his best ever, and his ‘don’t rush’ verse is a fun addition to a song that does nothing for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b3l_6Ke9iE

"rockstar" chorus is amazing, sounds like nelly. i wish the whole thing was melodic tho, his fast raps don't rly work for me on that song. it's much better when roddy comes in doing a young thug impression

i like his fast raps on it & i'm excited it's already shaped up to be such a massive across-the-board hit for him

was fairly unimpressed by it in album context but it’s grown on me considerably

I needed some shit with some bop in it

haven't listened to the ep yet but damn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKhy1Y69BT4

i like both of his most recent songs but after everything i'm at the point where i don't mind switching the station or hitting the skip button

it's a shame, as i like(d?) a lot of his music and videos

How does someone this young develop those views?

Parents, community... A few of my favorite rappers have spit infectious verses littered with the F-word (Rae & Ghost).

early Ghost was particularly addicted to it. Relistening to ATLiens last week, I heard that line about "sodomites" in "13th Floor (Growing Old)" and went GAH.

should've mentioned Outkast there

DaBaby is 29, though – he was still a toddler the year Wu-Tang and OutKast formed.

Like, I thought the contemporary rap scene was mostly over this heinous passé shit.

and look at Nas X defending DaBaby's "own truth" or whatever

pulled from both lollapalooza and governors ball festival

pomenitul at 7:00 2 Aug 21

Like, I thought the contemporary rap scene was mostly over this heinous passé shit.

not really

How does someone this young develop those views?

29 is not young.

maybe the poster thought he was an actual baby

I'm sure this next generation is finally the one where racism and homophobia will just magically disappear

It's fair to say their prevalence is much lower among younger people, nay?

sure but not to where you'd be shocked to find it existing, i mean look at the demographics of the alt-right, etc.

Not so much shocked as doubly disappointed tbh.

DaBorted

It's definitely the age to be part of the generation that should and mostly does know better.

Maybe? 29 year old seems a bit too old to be part of that generation but too young to be part of the generation that doesn't know better.

kinda thought that the nature of irrational phobias and hatred was based on ignorance, willful or otherwise, so determining this generation or that "knows better" seems an arbitrary label

He got in trouble for saying shit about AIDS, right? If anything he seems way too young for that, AIDS jokes seem like a relic of the Andrew Dice Clay and Sebastian Bach era. That's practically retro-ignorance.

you have to have your head in the sand pretty deeply to not understand that there is a sizable reactionary culture against the idea that it is wrong and/or punishable to be sexist, homophobic etc and that said culture crosses over heavily w/ rap music culture

xp: the DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince era!

All the ugly people be quiet
All the filthy, stinky, nasty people be quiet
All the homeboys that got aids be quiet
All the girls out there that don't like guys, be quiet
Hold on, wait a minute
All the girls that don't like guys be quiet
You know it
Cause see, what we like to do is we perform, right?
We like to see how much noise the people can make, right?

He got in trouble for saying shit about AIDS, right? If anything he seems way too young for that, AIDS jokes seem like a relic of the Andrew Dice Clay and Sebastian Bach era. That's practically retro-ignorance.

Yeah, that did strike me as being anachronistic.

hold on, you mean to tell me some guy on ilx is pretty removed from mainstream culture even as he makes pronouncements about it? xxp

hehe

the jokes about AIDS at rolling loud were were clearly in the vein of old school rap showmanship of playfully insulting ppl in the crowd as peace, man cites. the issue isn't that he did that, it's that he quadrupled down on the homophobia w/ defensive non-apologies after the fact. if he had just come out and said "yeah i said something stupid, my bad, i understand why i was wrong and i won't do it again" he would've been forgiven

he also brought out Torey Lanez, which is possibly the more unforgiveable move to a lot of his audience

i think most of his audience either didn't care or thought it was great

old school rap showmanship of playfully insulting ppl in the crowd as peace, man cites. the issue isn't that he did that

Sorry, but this is very wrong. The shit he said on stage was also indefensible, gtfo with this excusing it.

Percentage-wise, how many mainstream rappers of DaBaby's generation still dabble in casual homophobia vs mainstream rappers of pretty much every previous generation?

i think most of his audience either didn't care or thought it was great

Sorry, but this is very wrong. The shit he said on stage was also indefensible, gtfo with this excusing it.

― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, August 2, 2021 2:18 PM (five minutes ago)

you're misunderstanding my post. i'm talking about what he could've gotten away with

Q: Percentage-wise, how many mainstream rappers of DaBaby's generation still dabble in casual homophobia vs mainstream rappers of pretty much every previous generation?

BD: How many?

Q: Yes. Are there many who…

BD: Yeah. I think there’s about 136.

Q: You say, “about 136”?

BD: Yeah.

Q: Or do you mean exactly 136?

BD: It’s either 136 or 142.

Sounds about right.

Fivio Foreign's nasty verse on Nas's "Spicy" got played all over the place with no pushback that I saw

you're misunderstanding my post. i'm talking about what he could've gotten away with

Okay, I guess that wasn't as easy to tell with the first part of your post as it was with the second. Sorry if I took the whole thing out of context.

forks i think the idea that a lot of dababy's fanbase is pro megan thee stallion and anti tory lanez or more broadly pro feminist and anti cancel cultural provocation is not borne out by being fans of dababy

anyway

https://www.instagram.com/p/CSFMMBbpc3F/?utm_medium=copy_link

lmao at the shoe video, that is the most I have ever enjoyed DaBaby

Fivio Foreign's nasty verse on Nas's "Spicy" got played all over the place with no pushback that I saw

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, August 2, 2021 2:31 PM (nineteen seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

There's like four decades of hypocrisy w/r/t rappers saying nasty things and it's pretty much arbitrary who or what gets in the crosshairs. Lolla and Gov Ball both made big deals about DaBaby being pulled from their lineup, but don't seem to care abt Young Thug, who tweeted transphobic shit at a 12 year old

Also, J0rdan otm

Yeah, the hypocrisy and unequal reactions is shit, but specifically wrt to DaBaby, I can't help but wonder if there is something in the Lolla/Gov Ball contracts that gives them cover to pull him for something that happened on stage that might not hold up when trying to pull another artist for years old tweets.

it's really a question of money. i don't think festivals or any venue have a legal obligation to grant an artist a stage even if they've been booked so if lolla or whoever is paying dababy his full fee to go away there's prob not much of a legal discussion to be had. but if they're trying to withhold or pull back money from him then yeah. would be curious to read an article about it

i think the idea that a lot of dababy's fanbase is pro megan thee stallion and anti tory lanez or more broadly pro feminist and anti cancel cultural provocation is not borne out by being fans of dababy

The Levitating remix we deserve! F*ck DaBaby 🖕🏽 pic.twitter.com/ns3VJxSmrP

— ✨ (@heyjaeee) July 26, 2021

As soon as you approach "crossover" status, you are firmly in the world where no one gives a shit about abusers

old white guys talking about our world of young people and all but it should be noted that my 74 year old mother called and asked me if i liked da baby so this discourse has clearly made its way to The View levels of conversation.

not really surprised that young thug making a single transphobic tweet over a year ago didn't cause as much controversy as dababy being homophobic at a concert & then quadrupling down on it with worse comments to try to defend himself. as j0rdan said, dababy would probably have gotten away with it if he'd just apologised the day after instead of digging a much bigger hole for himself.

if young thug had doubled down on his transphobic tweet then & gone on a huge tirade or something it might have been a bigger deal but it was little enough that the public didn't care for too long, and it's not like people really care that much about transphobia as is anyway

dababy refused to do a story with drew millard after he said 'hail satan' so that might give you some idea of the roots of his ethical/moral worldview

daresay it's a lot simpler than that: dababy is a mainstream, popular rapper and so is Megan so there's a LOT of crossover in fanbase there and that crossover audience does NOT like lanez.

i don't think your feel for the situation is correct but it's not really worth arguing about any further. that mash up is really good tho

i don't think your feel for the situation is correct but it's not really worth arguing about any further.

perhaps accompanied by a hand-wavy gesture and a disdainful bite of avocado toast, pretty sure there's an emoticon for that

old white guys talking about our world of young people and all but it should be noted that my 74 year old mother called and asked me if i liked da baby so this discourse has clearly made its way to The View levels of conversation.

― think “Gypsy-Pixie” and misspelled. (We are a white family.) (forksclovetofu), Monday, August 2, 2021 3:23 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Chris Brown and Dr. Luke are on the Hot 100 as I type this

not sure how those two points counter each other?

y 74 year old mother called and asked me if i liked da baby

for some reason, I imagined forks' mother following up with "She's-a really cute-a, jus' about ta walk-a"

glad that this is what it takes to get ilm to talk about contemporary hip-hop

Sad lol

FELLAS,

Is he related to Da Brat?

glad that this is what it takes to get ilm to talk about contemporary hip-hop

― bezos did the dub (voodoo chili), Monday, August 2, 2021 4:05 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I'm sure that ilm is talking about contemporary hip-hop somewhere, but it's probably on a thread titled "All-purpose personal finance management / budget thread" or something.

Though we technically still have one, the rolling goon threads kind of died off a few years ago

just checked that thread and someone is hoping to become a diplomat, but not the rapping kind, i don't think

xp

Didn't Chuck D call hip hop America's foreign service?

this piece seems otm:

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2021/07/lil-nas-x-dababy-homophobia/619610/

sorry but i'm ready to provisionally uncancel him for "pop dat thang"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBZxDWMeuUc

excuse me i meant thing

er actually it is thang, just not on youtube? lol

anyway the song is great!