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realness in rap music starts a lot of arguments on here, why is that

― s trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 08:53 (twenty-three years ago)

baudrillard to thread.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 08:56 (twenty-three years ago)

marcello youre real, i mean that

― s trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 09:00 (twenty-three years ago)

hahaha beaudrillard... can... just....eat.... a hyperreal dick.

ethan, you start discussion about the realness in rap.

― nathalie (nathalie), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 09:03 (twenty-three years ago)

youre a belgian woman

― s trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 09:06 (twenty-three years ago)

i am thinking of starting a more overtly personal blog in the very near future (sort of along the autobiog/fiction writing track that doomie suggested). i was going to call it "five pounds onna gate" but now i'm toying with the idea of "baudrillard's hyperreal dick." except that i might get a lot of shirty emails from random googlers.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 09:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Because it rhymes with "I'd like to welcome motherfuckers to the back of the mind of Bill"?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 09:08 (twenty-three years ago)

i don't know if i got baudrillard wrong but he claimed there can be no punctum in a perfect image (or work of art). now i don't know... if i look at a hype williams clip or listen to something by.. *insert dick/name of real rapper* i can still discover something that touches me.

realness in rap (or whatever genre) is irrelevant..

― nathalie (nathalie), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 09:11 (twenty-three years ago)

no, perfect images can only, by (barthes') definition be studium, because, being perfect, there is nothing that the viewer can add to them or extract from them. images could only be perfect if they were never viewed (last 30 minutes of the director's cut of "magnificent ambersons").

pop consumers are by definition selfish scavengers. we take what we want from the music/artist and utilise it in accordance with our own needs. so we actually don't care what hip hop looks like a generation or two down the line, or about any sense of "community" (because we only know our own) - just whether the music makes us want to dance/fuck/hang ourselves.

insert dick of real rapper? nathalie!!!!!! ;-)

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 09:15 (twenty-three years ago)

i KNEW you were gonna say that. bastard! ;-)

― nathalie (nathalie), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 09:24 (twenty-three years ago)

what is realness in rap anyway?

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 12:07 (twenty-three years ago)

does anybody real anybody in rap anyway?

― Howard Jones, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 12:10 (twenty-three years ago)

'realness' is a pretty big commodity with most rappers, whether or not they are or it has anything to do with their popularity, they mostly all at least like to believe they've got it. i don't think it should be such an issue with the audience, but when it is, i think you can mostly attribute it to the performers' attitudes, don't you think?

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:17 (twenty-three years ago)

btw, on a small BBS some friends and I frequent, somebody opened up a conversation with this link http://allhiphop.com/editorial/?ID=41 and i really had to throw down a gauntlet and set some people straight, so i feel your pain but ehh i doubt you're gonna find the trouble you're looking for here

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 15:05 (twenty-three years ago)

It seems to me that the majority of rappers who proclaim in every song how they're "keeping it real" seem to always be the ones who have built their music and image off of an elaborate fantasy world, whilst the rappers who don't ever say jack-shit about "keeping it real" are generally the ones who actually ARE building their music from a perspective rooted in reality.

I could be wrong, though...I am quite the fool.

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 16:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Because anyone so consumed with "realness" obviously has something to hide.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 19:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Arguing what the "real" is isn't about the music so much as the world and authenticity is a v. strong claim to make.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 19:56 (twenty-three years ago)

i am keeping the world real (so watch it!!)

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 22:51 (twenty-three years ago)

"ilm heads bleed too" to the tune of "Naughty Girls Need Love Too" has been in my head since I read this thread.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 21 November 2002 01:57 (twenty-three years ago)

hey alex what do you have to hide?

― Josh (Josh), Thursday, 21 November 2002 04:54 (twenty-three years ago)

i dont think rappers care about being real, just people afraid of losing

― boxcubed (boxcubed), Thursday, 21 November 2002 05:05 (twenty-three years ago)

five years pass...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2zKRZ-7Ji4

― gershy, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 02:44 (eighteen years ago)

realness in rap music starts a lot of arguments on here, why is that

-- s trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:53 AM (5 years ago) Bookmark Link
baudrillard to thread.

-- Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:56 AM

i like this answer but i don't know that baudrillard would actually have anything to say about authenticity in rap per se

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 02:49 (eighteen years ago)

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