Taking Sides: S-K vs. Jenny Toomey

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I've heard next to nothing by either--which merits more attention?

steve, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 19:17 (twenty-two years ago) link

i like jenny's really sweet cover of franklin bruno's "keeping the weekend free"... i'm not sure if that was solo or with tsunami.

gygax!, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 19:19 (twenty-two years ago) link

I swear by the Call The Doctor/Dig Me Out/Hot Rock trilogy. Jenny's stuff is definitely less straightforwardly rocking. Have you heard Kristin Hersh? If you wouldn't be mad if she went pop, check out S-K. Otherwise, stick with Jenny.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 19:44 (twenty-two years ago) link

Check out both S-Ks.

All Hands On The Bad One and Let's Knife.

meirion john lewis (mei), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 19:45 (twenty-two years ago) link

Gygax, that song is off of the 1 Liquorice album, _Listening Cap_, which is probably available used @ your local CD emporium for about $5, which is a damn shame. (The Roches' song on said CD - "Jill of All Trades" - is even better.) If you did like that Franklin Bruno cover, then it would behoove you to purchase Jenny's latest album, _Tempting_, seeing as she covers 12 FJB songs (some old, some new) and does a fantastic job, natch.

Steve, might I suggest you take a dip in both pools and try out both Tsunami's _A Brilliant Mistake_ and S-K's _One Beat_, if you're looking for the rock-type action. If you're just looking for good music, then swap the Tsunami for _Tempting_.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 20:10 (twenty-two years ago) link

a classic quote i heard about tsunami...

"punk means cuddle?! in what circle of hell?!!"

jq higgins, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 20:17 (twenty-two years ago) link

A Brilliant Mistake is one of my favorite albums of the '90s. I'm less drawn to Toomey's solo work, but I agree about those Liquorice tracks mentioned above.

My first two S-K albums were Call the Doctor and Dig Me Out and I think I like those the best. The past two records have their moments, but they seem too forced in that look-ma-we-can-rock-really-we-can way.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 20:33 (twenty-two years ago) link


jenny toomey and tsunami were absolute talent... i saw her about 5 years ago with geoff farina... they both did some solo ditties and some stuff together... still in my top 20-25 shows ever.

s-k... while good... i have never really felt the flow... but more power to em...
m.

msp, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 20:38 (twenty-two years ago) link

I adore both, but much prefer Tsunami to Toomey solo. The Liquorice album is my favourite work of hers.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 22:43 (twenty-two years ago) link

Like neither, but at least Jenny Toomey's vocal stylings don't sound like Belinda Carslile.

hstencil, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 22:49 (twenty-two years ago) link

both terrific. i stumbled upon 'the heart's tremolo' by accident only recently and i'm glad i did. s-k play in sydney next month and i don't think i've looked forward to a touring act this much for eons.

angelo (angelo), Thursday, 21 November 2002 13:21 (twenty-two years ago) link

I must admit, I'm a bit over S-K. Some powerful, powerful stuff on the first two or three records, but more recent stuff I've heard sounds a bit like placeholding. High quality placeholding to be sure, but I feel like I've heard them already, even when hearing them for the first time.

The Liquorice alb is far and away the best Toomey-related project I've ever come across. In fact, it's the only one I actually own. An old pal of mine often spoke rapturously about her Grenadine project with Mark Robinson too, but it never caught on with me, nor did any of the Tsunami or solo Toomey stuff. In fact, I seem to know a great many people here in the Mid-Atlantic who are personally annoyed and put off by her and roll their eyes at the very mention of her name--dunno why, really, but it's epidemic. Still, that Liquorice record . . .

Lee G (Lee G), Thursday, 21 November 2002 15:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

A few words about Tsunami...
*Fantastic* live band - the spirit didn't always carry over onto the records well (several tracks on The Heart's Tremolo simply need to be heard live), and when seeing them, it was abundantly clear that John, the drummer, was AMAZING (using a minimal kit setup). I would say work backwards - start with A Brilliant Mistake, then The Heart's Tremolo, then Deep End. The singles collection has a generous track list and is worth finding.

Another recommendation for the Liquorice album from me. As others have pointed out, the two covers are very, very good - probably the best tracks on the CD. Ever since, I've always been checking the Roches section in music stores to find the original version of "Jill of All Trades." Here's the All Music entry:
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=SEARCH&sql=A7z6tk6hx9krd
On "Keeping the Weekend Free," since the piano is in one channel and the guitar is in the other, you can turn the balance over to one side and get the "only piano" version or the "only guitar" version. I'm partial to the "only piano" version, myself.

Speaking of other Toomey projects, you must must get the first Grenadine album, Goya, doubly so if you like Unrest/Mark Robinson. All of the Toomey songs on that album are among my very favorites from her.

Jenny's a looker, but another cute thing about her is HER ACCENT. I can't quite pin it down, but whenever she sings the word "for" it comes out as "fer." (Listen to "Old Grey Mare": "We've got so much work FER you")

Thanks, David, for the heads-up on the new Toomey Bruno-covers album...I'll definitely track that down.

S-K: I like the half shrieking half singing thing, but after a couple more albums, I think I might grow weary of it. Anyway, as is, good stuff. Someone brought up Kristin Hersh, which is a good reference. Corin's shrieking usually sounds angry and a little pained, while Kristin sounds absolutely tormented and unstable on the first Throwing Muses album. "MY PILLOW SCREAMS TOOOOO...and so does my kitchen..." - always gives me shivers.

Ernest P. (ernestp), Thursday, 21 November 2002 15:07 (twenty-two years ago) link

Jenny's a looker...

I have video footage of Jenny with her hand on her butt. What do I hear for first bid?

hstencil, Thursday, 21 November 2002 15:48 (twenty-two years ago) link

Scary ILx faXor: The Liquorice album is the only 4AD release that Tim 'Gothfynder General' Hopkins has ever admitted to liking.

RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 21 November 2002 16:50 (twenty-two years ago) link

Haha! The truth is out! And yes, that album and "Keeping the Weekend Free" are just wonderful.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 November 2002 17:58 (twenty-two years ago) link

I don't really like Grenadine that much, but that's probably Rob Christiansen's fault.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 22 November 2002 00:03 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
i was "tempted" to find this thread after i stumbled upon some old photos i took of jenny & franklin, last night:

http://herjazz.org/mt/images/tempting-1.jpg

im going to have to take sides and say jenny on this one, but she got to my heart and mind long before S-K existed -- they might be the sound of a rational person's revolution, but jenny was the one who showed us how to do it for ourselves.in high school/college i looked up to bands like tsunami and the creativity that fueled simple machines [which in turn has inspired how i approach my own business]. post-college, i was fortunate enough to actually work with jenny on her solo records and as a result, have some involvement with the future of music coalition.

when tsunami played "loud is as loud does" at ladyfest philly, i totally broke down in tears -- probably the first and last "emo" moment ill ever have. those songs are incredible.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:50 (twenty years ago) link

Wait, which strange desert landscape did you take them pictures in?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:53 (twenty years ago) link

that's tucson, where they recorded tempting.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:54 (twenty years ago) link

Hmm. Can I like both? I don't really see a comparison other than gender. S-K and Toomey are both working in indie territory, but I see them as coming from two separate places in how they approach their music and business.

mike a, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:55 (twenty years ago) link

recently dug out the Liquorice album, it's dated a little but the songs are still holding up nicely.

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:41 (twenty years ago) link

Still can't pin down Jenny's accent. I'm listening to "I Only Have Eyes For You" now and it sounds like "I only have eyes fuuuuuuhhh youuu." No "R" in "for"!

Do bop shu bop!

Ernest P. (ernestp), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:21 (twenty years ago) link

I'm curious to hear Toomey's later stuff. I only had Heart's Tremolo and it was rather inchoate and murkily recorded for my tastes (I totally the believe the "had to see it live" thing). Plus lyrically it made me think about how I don't get why indie girls fall for the kinds of guys that they do. It expressed the frustration (which I understood) but didn't explain the impulse (which I was curious about).

It's far and away S-K for me.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 02:43 (twenty years ago) link

nine years pass...

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