ILM Ballot Polls for 2020 and beyond -- the ordering, timing, "I would have voted if I'd known about it," etc

Original (June 2011 - December 2013): Thread for coordinating the order and timing of ILM ballot polls

Part two (January 2014 - December 2019): ILM Ballot Polls for 2014 and beyond -- order, timing, "I would have voted if I'd known about it," etc

ILM Ballot Polls: where to find the results threads

Precursors to the numbered list:

A. Pavement - Johnny Fever (finished)
B. Manic Street Preachers - Jamie_ATP (finished)
C. Blur - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)

1. Pet Shop Boys - Billy Dods (finished)
2. The Beatles - Mark G (finished)
3. Prince - Jamie_ATP (finished)
4. U2 - Ismael Klata (finished)
5. The Beach Boys - iatee (finished)
6. Led Zeppelin - WmC (finished)
7. Timbaland - some dude (finished)
8. Guided By Voices - Johnny Fever (finished)
9. Stevie Wonder - Eric H. (finished)
10. “Producers” - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
11. Pulp - Finefinemusic (finished)
12. James Brown - strongo/Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
13. The Jacksons - Jamie_ATP (finished)
14. David Bowie - WmC (finished)
15. Paul Simon - Lamp (finished)
16. The Rolling Stones - rogermexico (finished)
17. The Kinks - C. Grisso/McCain (finished)
18. Depeche Mode - crüt (finished)
19. Beastie Boys - Johnny Fever (finished)
20. ABBA - donna rouge (finished)
20B. Bee Gees - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
21. Neil Young - clemenza (finished)
22. Fleetwood Mac - Clarke B. (finished)
23. The Cure - nate woolls (finished)
24. Kate Bush - Ismael Klata (finished)
25. The Who - Tarfumes the Escape Goat (finished)
26. Joni Mitchell - Mordy (finished)
27. The Neptunes - V79/some dude (finished)
28. Saint Etienne - Billy Dods (finished)
29. Hüsker Dü - Pleasant Plains (finished)
30. Bruce Springsteen - Jamie_ATP (finished)
31. Madonna - Johnny Fever (finished)
32. Miles Davis - WmC (finished)
33. The Fall - Mark G (finished)
34. PJ Harvey - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)
35. Cocteau Twins - Le Bateau Ivre/LeRooLeRoo (finished)
36. Sonic Youth - ArchCarrier (finished)
37. New Order - Bee OK (finished)
37B. The Doors - Ismael Klata (finished)
38. The Clash - Gukbe (finished)
39. Motown Singles - a hoy hoy (finished)
40. Jay-Z - some dude (finished)
41. Elton John - Johnny Fever (finished)
42. Stax - seandalai (finished)
43. Disco - Tuomas (finished)
44. R. Kelly - Spottie_Ottie_Dope (finished)
45. Tom Waits - chap (finished)
45B. Velvet Underground and Solo Careers - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
46. The “Classic Rock” Canon - some dude (finished)
47. Elvis Costello - kornrulez (finished)
48. Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry - charlie h (finished)
49. Pink Floyd - Elvis Telecom (finished)
50. Steely Dan - Bee OK (finished)
51. Bob Dylan - tipsy mothra (finished)
52. Sleater-Kinney + offshoots - C.Grisso/McCain (finished)
53. Outkast - Spottie (finished)
54. Autechre - Leee (finished)
55. Brian Eno - WmC (finished)
56. Radiohead - nate woolls (finished)
57. Spaceman 3 (& descendants) - Elvis Telecom (finished)
58. "Epics" - Leee (finished)
59. XTC - Οὖτις (finished)
60. The Boo Radleys - Bee OK (finished)
61. Yo La Tengo - Van Horn Street/clemenza (finished)
62. Creedence Clearwater Revival - crüt (finished)
63. Ramones - tipsy mothra (finished)
64. Italo - daavid (finished)
65. P-Funk - Οὖτις (finished)
66. Metallica - pplains (finished)
67. Spoon - Bee OK (finished)
68. Queen - charlie h (finished)
69. Nirvana - Gavin, Leeds (finished)
69B. Pixies - Johnny Fever (finished)
70. Extreme Metal - Viceroy (finished)
71. Tom Petty - rogermexico. (finished)
72. The Smiths - nate woolls (finished)
73. Bauhaus/Tones on Tail-Love and Rockets/Peter Murphy - Bee OK (finished)
74. Stereolab - Moka (finished)
75. Van Halen - Johnny Fever (finished)
76. Devo - soref (finished)
77. Can - Z S Moka (finished)
78. Oasis - Bee OK (finished)
79. George Michael - Ismael Klata (finished)
80. The Stooges/Iggy Pop - Moka (finished)
81. Leonard Cohen - Simon H. (finished)
82. Talking Heads - Bee OK (finished)
83. Blondie - nate woolls (finished)
84. Van Morrison - kornrulez6969 (finished)
85. Wu-Tang Clan - Spottie (finished)
86. Joy Division – Bee OK (finished)
87. The Smashing Pumpkins - ufo (finished)
88. Björk – Eric H (finished)
89. Beatles solo careers - Οὖτις (finished)
90. Elvis Presley - Euler and Moka (images) - (finished)
91. Tori Amos - ufo (finished)
92. They Might Be Giants - sic (finished)
93. The B-52's - Bee OK/Karl Malone (finished)
94. Belle and Sebastian - Nag! Nag! Nag! (finished)
95. Songs Under 2 Minutes - Karl Malone (finished)
96. The Burt Bacharach songbook – WmC (finished)
97. Beck – Bee OK (finished)
98. The Go-Betweens - Nag! Nag! Nag! (finished)
99. Cat Power – Leee (finished)

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Hard Rock/Hair Metal - gr8080
Stephin Merritt - Gukbe
Fairport Convention et al (R Thompson, S Denny) - Billy Dods
Jimi Hendrix - C. Grisso/McCain
Genesis + solo - NickB
Dead C - Raymond Cummings
Royal Trux + side projects - sleeve
John Fahey - Naive Teen Idol?
Rush - Matt #2
Gamble & Huff/Philly International Records - jetfan
Billy Joel - Doctor Casino
Low - aldo
Nine Inch Nails - chap
REM - rogermexico.
Shoegaze/Dream Pop/Post-rock (Albums and EPs) - Bee OK
Covers - kornrulez6969
New Pornographers/AC Newman - staggerlee
No Wave - sarahell
DFA - Van Horn Street
Misfits/Samhain/Danzig - gr8080
Erykah Badu - Eric H.
Nick Cave/Bad Seeds/Birthday Party/et al - charlie h
Herbie Hancock - crüt
Aphex Twin - Stevie D
The Jesus and Mary Chain - Bee OK
Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis - Spottie
Siouxsie & the Banshees/The Creatures - LeRooLeRoo
AM Radio Gold - Jeff W
Eurovision - nxd
Steve Albini - nate woolls
Yellow Magic Orchestra - frogbs
Byrds + offshoots - kornrulez6969
Cardiacs + affiliated - imago
Tropicalia/MPB - Frederik B
Chic Organization - pollrunner needed for this one
French/Francophone - Van Horn Street
The Cars/Ric Ocasek - crüt
Tim Buckley - Naive Teen Idol
The Cramps - Moka
Bristol trip-hop - chap
Wire - kornrulez6969
jungle/drum 'n bass - Le Bateau Ivre
Suede - Bee OK
Robyn Hitchcock - campreverb
Power Ballads - rogermexico.
Grunge - Cosmic Slop
Artists poll - Dan Worsley
Kylie Minogue - BradNelson
Math-rock/Hardcore/Post-Hardcore poll - Odysseus
Phil Spector - crüt
Glen Campbell - ― Spottie
ZZ Top - rogermexico.
QOTSA/Desert Sessions - rogermexico.
T Rex - Naive Teen Idol
Bardo Pond – Leee
Super Furry Animals – poll runner needed for this one
Nu Metal Trax – Mordy
Linda Ronstadt – crüt
New Wave (just can’t get enough) Albums and Singles - Bee OK
easy listening/adult contemporary – dyl
Serge Gainsbourg - Camaraderie at Arms Length
Galaxie 500/Luna - Bee OK

*added since last update:

Girl Groups singles poll - Dan Worsley
Phil Elverum - devvvine
Wussy - clemenza
Broadcast - Nag! Nag! Nag!
The Replacements - Nag! Nag! Nag!

Thought it was time for a new thread considering we are in a new decade and the other thread is quite long. We are also right at 100, which is unbelievable. I pretty much just kept the same name of the thread too. I also put in a few modifications and it does look a bit better.

BTW in the "Where to find the results thread" if you click on mookieproof links you will find each poll's full results list, where they exist and where he could find them.

had been thinking an Underworld poll would be good but i'm not sure at the moment when i'll have time to do a poll this year

i guess you can put me down for it but if someone else happens to have time before me and wants to run an Underworld poll they're welcome to run it instead

would also love to see that SFA poll happen at some point now that Guerilla is finally on NA spotify?

I'd run an Underworld poll, we'd do well to make it happen before the next Drift series starts up and produces another 12 hours of tracks and jams to wrestle with

lol i can't believe it's been 6 years since i signed up to do that herbie hancock poll

I think Tori Amos was the last one of these I voted in, and that feels like five years ago.

glad to see this thread! thanks, Bee OK.

i'm gonna take my name off of the Billy Joel poll. i ran the track-by-track listening thread with the vague idea that we COULD roll from that into a poll or something, but in practice that thread had such a great turnout and discussion that i'm not sure we'd really gain much by doing a poll, even if everyone could muster it. the joy of ballot polls is in the discussion more than the ranking, and we had one hell of a discussion there. if someone else wants to run it i'd totally vote, though!

Is there a thread like this for all the various movie polls? I know the detritus thread each year has links to all the other ones, but I meant the genre and decade polls.

I realize the movie polls don't follow back-to-back like the artist ones do, but it would be nice if there were some place where we could float ideas about movie polls and gauge interest (and let folks know they're going on). There's one I've been thinking about for a while, and it will be some time before I can even entertain the idea, but I wouldn't currently know how I would even go about seeing if people would be into it.

Great idea--start a thread. Anyone with an idea can test it out there--hopefully limited to whether there's interest or not, saving the this-belongs-no-it-doesn't arguments for the actual poll. I think a cumulative results thread would be useful too; some of those movie threads, like the comedy and horror, are really hard to load when you want to check something.

Pitch your ideas for possible film polls here

"New Rose" shuffled up on my phone today and after I was through shouting along I thought a punk rock tracks poll would be fun. Limit it to the period 1974 (Ramones formation) to 1984 (Zen Arcade/Let It Be/Double Nickels).

Would definitely participate in classic punk poll.

Can't wait for the "is this punk or is this new wave?" arguing.

yes lol

We definitely need an Underworld poll

one thing with the underworld poll though would be figuring out where to draw the line with remixes etc., like "dark train" should probably be counted as a separate track to "dark & long" but does that work for all of them, and how do you handle something like "rez/cowgirl"?

if it were me, I'd exclude outside remixes, and combine votes for different versions / recordings / mixes / arrangements, but note votes for specific versions in the results. and probably make an eligibility chart so folks don't split votes from themselves.

Rez and Cowgirl I'd be inclined to list separately since they were such distinct recordings, made over a year apart, but roll together in results if voters demand.

i mean the "rez/cowgirl" mashup that's been a live staple and was on everything, everything. obviously you list "rez" and "cowgirl" separately but then do you allow votes for "rez/cowgirl" as a separate entity or not or combine the votes in some way?

i agree about excluding outside remixes and combining votes for the cases that are more directly alternate versions/recordings/mixes/arrangements of the same track, the edge case is the remixes they did themselves that are basically entirely separate works to the original (most prominently "dark train" but i think there's a few others out there too)

yeah there are five or so fully different Dark & Long "versions" that are sometimes listed as discrete songs / sometimes versions, and most of the dubno singles, plus Pearl's Girl and Born Slippy, have the same casual approach to taxonomy. The Born Slippys are as different as Dark Train from Dark & Long, while the Dirty x-s generally sound like separate recordings of the same song, and so do some of the other Darks. And some of the versions even have different mixes!

The band labelled them all as Song (Version) on the super-deluxe reissues, which is probably a tip worth taking.

C21st Underworld instead seemed to do all the rethinking and reworking off-record, playing some things live for years but waiting until they decided on a definitive version to release one (eg You Do Scribble). Drift finally went back to that early-'90s direction, what with the Necks and no-Necks Appleshines, remixing and re-arranging and re-editing things between single and EP and album, the different Soniamodes and Brilliants...

seeing how the voters prefer to think of Rez and Cowgirl is part of the fun!

i think one of the other dark & long "remixes" is actually a remix of one of the other dubnobass tracks even

See also Rowla and Cherry Pie

I'd still like to do a jungle/dnb poll, as listed above. Not sure if there's enough interest in it though.

I'd follow it, definitely, but I probs wouldn't be able to contribute a whole bunch

I'd join in a d&b poll for sure.

I feel like there was one a few years back. Maybe that was 90s Dance in general. Definitely one I'm more likely to participate in or even help run.

Prefab Sprout poll, thanks.

^ YES. Do it! If only so I can be annoyingly "Swoon is *so* underrated, geez" and stuff.

i think one of the other dark & long "remixes" is actually a remix of one of the other dubnobass tracks even

― ufo, Friday, February 7, 2020 9:14 PM (thirty minutes ago)

See also Rowla and Cherry Pie

― nashwan, Friday, February 7, 2020 9:40 PM (four minutes ago)

my lineball instinct was to separate them like Rez and Cowgirl, but they really are exactly the same piece in different arrangements (and also reminiscent of when they'd do a Soft Mix and a Hard Mix on work-for-hire remix gigs around this time). I guess the only conclusion is not to do an Underworld poll

Just checked: counting the album and 7" version, I have 1 hour 55 minutes and 16 seconds of Dark whatevers. Let's just make them the ballot poll.

Prefab Sprout poll, thanks.

― triggercut, Friday, February 7, 2020 7:22 AM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

yes please

would also love to see that SFA poll happen at some point now that Guerilla is finally on NA spotify?

put me down as poll runner for super furry animals, i'm not sure what interest there is (probably only around 5 current posters on the main thread), but they can't be pollrunnerless

staggerlee hasn't posted since 2014. If no one objects (or if they just changed usernames), I'd like to step up for the Newpies poll.

Also: I was thinking about doing the Hendrix poll this September, in recognition of the 50th (not 51st) anniversary of his passing.

we haven't done Hendrix yet...?

We didn't, but your mom did!

I'll show myself out...

I was kind of musing about a PSYCHEDELIC ROCK poll but have the feeling that's too hairy a beast to properly corral.

Also, post-rock can/should be its own poll distinct from dream pop/shoegaze.

As far as timing is concerned, keep in mind that the 2019 metal poll is still underway, so maybe wait until it's over? Otherwise these all sound like great ideas.

would love a prefab sprout poll

thanks for taking over SFA for me wtev. i got mad that there weren't on Spotify and was not going to run it until that got corrected. i see now that everything is on there but RATW and PP. those other reissues have all their earlier B-sides on-line so that is a huge plus. can't wait for the Super Furry Animals poll!

BTW, this one is still open: 2019 Metal ’n’ Heavy Rock Poll: VOTING & CAMPAIGNING thread (open until the 21st of February)

Most excited about "New Wave (just can’t get enough) Albums and Singles" and SFA will be such a fun poll.

Is anyone in a position to start something soon? Cat Power was almost 6 months ago now.

I'm thinking of offering my services to do the graphics for the eventual R.E.M. poll (it's 14th on the upcoming poll list)--that is, if rogermexico doesn't want to do them himself.

But here's the gimmick. I would ask all ILM'ers to send me random pictures in an R.E.M. aesthetic (whatever that is). Inscrutable objects, blurry photos you haven't deleted yet, chalk marks on a truck tire, a link to a drawing of some adzes, an old shopping list with a penguin scrawled on it. Or take a picture to illustrate a specific song--but don't tell me the song. I'll slap these bits together haphazardly, paste a wonky font on top and reap the acclaim.

If I do it, I'll probably have to start working on it now to get it done for the reveal sometime next year.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/History_of_Inventions_USNM_15_Adz.png/640px-History_of_Inventions_USNM_15_Adz.png

Now that sounds promising.

one thing with the underworld poll though would be figuring out where to draw the line with remixes etc., like "dark train" should probably be counted as a separate track to "dark & long" but does that work for all of them, and how do you handle something like "rez/cowgirl"?

hmmm not sure why it just made a new post but here's my thought - all those 'remixes' should be treated as a distinct track, since they're basically distinct tracks with almost nothing to do with the originals. if you combine votes then you wouldn't be able to put, say, "Dark Train" along with "Thing in a Book", nor "Tin There" with "Pearl's Girl", even though these tracks are very different from each other. as for "Rez/Cowgirl", idk how you'd want to handle it but I'd lean towards just not allowing it

i'm thinking about running either the Shoegaze poll or the New Wave poll this summer, which should i do?

polls that are on the list that i'd be quite interested in & happy to do any of tabulate/images/bbcode for if necessary:

magnetic fields/stephin merritt
nine inch nails
r.e.m.
erykah badu
yellow magic orchestra
super furry animals
kylie minogue
the microphones/mount eerie/phil elverum

i think everyone who signed up to do those is at least somewhat active still except gukbe?

i'm not very willing to do much of the rollouts though because trying to post when the board is active destroys my sleep schedule unfortunately

some other artists not already taken that i'd be open to running if someone will help with the rollout:
david sylvian
kraftwerk
parliament/funkadelic
destroyer
everything but the girl
fiona apple

I'm still happy to run the Erykah Badu one whenever it happens

P-Funk was Poll #65: You and Your POLL, Me and My POLL: The P-Funk Results Poll

oh lol i vaguely remembered it had been done before but couldn't find it at all, that explains it

there hasn't been a poll in a while so if you want to run the erykah badu poll eric, you can whenever you want. i'll look forward to it

I am out for the next couple weeks, but could definitely begin one in October

rem has also been done

\///\/// It's the ILX SUPER SUMMER R.E.M. POLL OF POLLS RESULTS THREAD \///\///

xp sounds good then!

r.e.m. has been listed again forever because the methodology for that one (which kickstarted all these polls iirc) was kinda weird or something?

Yah I ran the R.E.M. poll in a wonky experimental manner, and have long endorsed rogermexico's plan for a do-over. There's probably some discussion on the previous edition of this thread.

I've also long said Prince is due for a redux

would be happy to help with a prince redo as well

I volunteered for Stephin Merritt et al (in gukbe's absence) at a time when I was trying to properly absorb his 21st century output, but I didn't really manage that. I for one certainly wouldn't be dismayed if someone more enthusiastic endeavored to get it done with a bit more haste!

trying to post when the board is active destroys my sleep schedule unfortunately

Feeling this. Handing the rollout component of 'my' last poll to a big fan in a timezone offset some 10 hours from own was pretty much the best thing ever lol

A while ago i was thinking a Morricone poll might be illuminating cause there's a ton of stuff then i thought "any song ever composed for a film" would be better (idk anymore) but with October approaching a horror movie themes poll would be the best kind. i don't have time to even follow it really but I def wanna listen to a bunch of horror soundtracks next month so idk maybe there are threads i could bump.

Morricone would be cool! Or maybe a looooong listening thread or something, given relatively few have heard more than a fraction of his output. Vigorous thumnbs-up to *any* soundtrack content.

We have an ILX EOY nominations thread: ILM's 2023 End of Year Tracks & Albums Poll / NOMINATIONS THREAD

It would be strange if "Canadian songs" were the end of the line for the genre/artist polls.

It's EOY voting time: ILM's 2023 End of Year Tracks & Albums Poll / VOTING THREAD

Would anyone be interested in trying to do a digital "draft"? Have heard a number of these done on podcasts in recent years and thought it could be fun to try here. Here's how I think it could work (and I'm open to suggestions):

- Draft-runner would pick a topic and create a thread -- year(s), genre, artist, scene
- First ~10-12 people to express interest would be included as participants but everyone could post if they want (could go larger but it could take too long to be fun...see below)
- Draft-runner would select ~5 categories -- Best Album, Best Song, Best Artist, Best Music Video, Best Industrial Metal EP (you can get as specific as you want, you get the idea)
- Draft participants would be assigned an order and would be "on the clock" to make a selection from the category of their choice by posting in the thread (suggest that each participant has 24 hours from the last participant's post to make their selection, otherwise this could in theory take months)
- Once all participants have made a selection from every category, the draft is over and we would then run a POLL to let ILM decide who had the best draft

We could also in theory run the actual draft over email, in a google doc, etc. if people think it would be more fun to keep the results a surprise until the poll/anonymize things.

I would come out of poll retirement to do a Frank Zappa poll if there was enough interest.

Anyone interested in participating in a Taylor Swift draft (xp) in the second half of this year?

Head Like A POLL: ILM Artist Poll #119 - Nine Inch Nails

Are we still doing memorial polls? I've been on the list to do a Steve Albini poll for a few years now.

if you want to run a poll, just go for it

For those bookmarks:

THREE POLLS AND A PACK MULE: ILM Artist Poll #120: Steve Albini

And POLL That Could Have Been: ILM Artist Poll #119 - Nine Inch Nails - RESULTS

Search isn't finding it, but surely there has been a Grateful Dead artist poll?

You are correct, Grateful Dead has not been done. No one has/had even signed up for it.

I will update this thing soon.

Do a Grateful Dead poll, that'd be great.

iirc there are like three studio albums anyone cares about and i'm not sure we have the heads to adequately rank all the shows

Song poll...Guessing you'd get at least 20 people.

it’ll be cool to tackle the song book, idk how we’d handle the hundreds of live versions but we could figure something out.

Yeah, song poll with criteria up to the individual (i.e. live versions factored in).

xp

#11 - Dark Star, Alameda, June 23, 1971
#10 - Dark Star, Chicago, August 4, 1973
#9 - Dark Star, Berkeley, December 8, 1969

hey I care about at least eight studio albums! xxxxp

would vote in this, yeah just do songs not studio + live versions

Not that anyone asked, but my advice would be to combine all votes for one song. I realize the Grateful Dead are a special case when it comes to live versions, but as HD's comment indicates, you may get such splintered results that with 20-30 voters, it'll be hard for any one version to accumulate votes. Maybe you could make an exception for well-known official-release live albums like Live/Dead and Europe '72 (or maybe that would take care of itself).

Yeah, I think the results could just shout out any specific live versions that received votes.

Hey, Relisten is back up after the Internet Archive hack!

xp I did that with the Bacharach Songbook -- total points for the song, but I broke each entry down by version, e.g. Walk on By 1181 points (821 Dionne, 260 Isaac Hayes, 100 Aretha)

Could have a ballot for best bootlegs. Good luck sorting through the many thousands of them

Hi

I've never run a poll before and this seems like a particularly tough one to run.

idk I would just vote for songs, weighted towards the ones that have the most smokin' live versions (or the most definitive studio takes)

OK also I suggest for the sub-polls taking top tens of studio LPs (this is tough, I sure do love Terrapin Station), best live recording released before Garcia's death (it's Skull & Roses), and best live recording officially released afterwards (Sunshine Daydream duh).

Grateful Dead ILM Artist Poll #121

Just need someone to actually run the poll

PBKR: would be glad to help in the background with the math/tabulation.

not it

I'm thinking about it, but I have few functional math, spreadsheet, or graphics skills. I have a hard time posting images sometimes.

tbf image hosting for free seems like a huge pain nowadays

ILM EOY 2024 is live: ILM's 2024 End of Year Tracks & Albums Poll / NOMINATIONS THREAD