What ever happened to Gay Dad?

critics hype and then pull down. without the hype critics would be without jobs. hence, larvae always attaches onto beauty.

Actually, Cliff Jones puts me in mind of a possible new thread: GREAT POP MYTHS. A young friend of mine insists it's true that Jones had ribs removed so that he could perform, ahem, auto-fellatio. Yet I'm sure that this story has been told about everyone and anyone who's worn make-up since Little Richard. A variation I heard as a kid was that Marc Almond had to be rushed to hospital to have his stomach pumped, and it was found to contain 3! pints! of! semen!. Sadly, I've since heard the same story about Marc Bolan.

They also reckoned that Nicky Wire had a tiny cock or something. They may as well have pointed out that water is wet.

i stopped reading critics and just join egroups......I suspect that's what alot of people do now. Critics are up their arse, really and have no clue what people who BUY THERE OWN MUSIC....want.

Gay Dad's song - Jesus Christ...what a fabulous track.

Radio four is here in Toronto tonight. The constantines are playing, clash v. springsteen...

'nuff said.

asian dub foundation and goldie lost their contract with a major label....so did the posies, super furries, teenage fanclub.....

so what does that tell us? nothing.

gaydad are rock adn roll. the critics band to succeed.

hmmmm...what would the i love music band sound like? I shudder to think...no, not the band, I just shudder sometimes, when I think of you lot.

Well, it is a side effect of chronic masturbation. Try to winnow it down to less than 12 times per day and yer should be right as rain in no time.

I'm saying this as a pal, mind. I worry about wot happens to me pals.

it's the name...the words....just can't help meself.

1) Gay Dad - WHY, GOD, WHY? Have we sinned that badly? 2) 'Paul' - Is everything good rock'n'roll? Is all rock'n'roll good?

Oh, BTW, there was no rib removal, but the auto-fellatio bit is true.

depends. you just know what is good and what isnt....it's personal. some of it is really bad. my general guideline is that pretension is the enemy of art. the pretension stuff is shit. the jeff buckley tributes are shit. the 'hey it's on an indie label so it must be good but it's just very boring but i'm going to name drop the album and never listen to it' is shit.

i like the concept of soul in rock and roll. whether it be gay dad, mahalia jackson, mission control, the strokes....you know when it's real if you feel connected to it....should soundtrack yer life and it's just that indie attitude of people who attack it. I think rock adn roll is beautiful.

ramblin' paul 'jack elliott'....

Oh, and Kate, to continue a thread from about two years ago on another list entirely, I told you they were crap! Hee hee.

Bill

and why is mine, wrong. Music is highly personal, I find the dissection of music, painful and counterproductive.

The funny thing is, I have been in a room full of music critics before and instead of talking about music, I just tell them the last record bought was Ricky Martin. It's easier that way.

Why is music wrong, Tom? And more importantly, why are you right?

Too right. If there is one thing the Strokes have not, it's soul.

it either has it or it doesnt. kevin rowland, my beauty has it. even the shaggs have it. it's something that comes through in the music that is true and beautiful and is the reason why people love music.

tom, question, what records for you have soul?

Aw, Bill, I can't even counter with the excuse I used to use ("aw, but he's good looking") any more cause Cliff Jones got hit by the ugly truck bigtime lately.

this is the sort of talk, that I dig about music.

am on 'don't think twice, it's alright'....., beth orton trailer park, tasha lee's album, strokes, some african guy's soundtrack to an indie movie, where, if I were to try spelling it, I would get 'flamed', dj shadow, trashmonk, the temptations, the eels song 'everything is going to be alright this christmas, pattern 45 wet circuit city, the hives and gorecki.

i do love music. sometimes, it's my life. thus, am easy to take the piss out of.

By that definition maybe the Strokes do have soul, because they certainly have enough of mommy and daddy's money that they needn't create in order acquire riches. Shame about that money buying them access to music media and record labels and their passing themselves off as elegantly wasted boho Lower East Side types though.

:calms down from apoplexy::

OK, for those of you who haven't heard it a million times before, my problem with The Strokes is that they are being hyped as this continuation of the NY "Art Punk" tradition, compared to VU, through Television through Jonathan Fire*Eater all that stuff.

The Strokes are to the VU what Oasis are to the Beatles- a watered down imitation made palatable to the MTV generation.

What Tom said about "being too busy posing and worrying about looking cool to actually have any soul" is their very problem. They've aped the look and the style of that scene, but captured none of the substance.

If you want a band that *measures up* to those reviews, waste no time with The Sucks, but go out and get yourself a French Kicks record. Far superior, they back up the style and affectations with truly intriguing music.

Doompatrol, you are exactly the sort of person who *SHOULD* love The Strokes.

I rest my case.

See, other people hate them too. Humph. And now I have substantiated *reason* to dislike them, well, what, apart from their lack of talent and all.

I do have to note that though the boy did not want to go out tonight, claims to loathe Pooptones with a passion, hates schmoozing, etc. etc. etc, it is now midnight and he's not back yet. Humph.

Are there any of Stevie Ray's ideas that Momus hasn't pilfered?

FRENCH KICKS.

two fingers to you and the industry music spawned.

hmmmm....maybe.

yes.

anyways, I love the strokes, but still listening to new poptones signings, french kicks, the bellrays and well.......................

the last one will be a surprise.

poptones loathes you masonic boom. so don't worry.

Poptones is to the best of my knowledge, completely unaware of my very existence!, and seeing as how I put heart and soul into writing prog rock on a komputer using synthesisers I'm not expecting that to change anytime soon. Not that I give a shiznitch, or anything.

WTF, if poptones were as KaY-WRaD as doom paul seems to think, they'd have signed ars nova if they were looking for a mad & r0x0ring all grrl band (are you bothering with this thread momus - ars nova are from your current part of the world!), and not those embarrasing losers ping pong biznitches.

perhaps the board admins could start a special thread for DooMPauL! Call it BBBY GLLSP 'as no SouL, or something!

Oh, gay dad. I though they were OK-ish. Will that do?

kiss kiss

And have you EVER heard of maybe CONSOLIDATING your posts, punk? Maybe then people would actually listen to you.

no....keep going with your band. there is nothing better than watching a aging scenster do their thing on stage and pretending that the world actually cares........................................

*paul mysteriously vanishing in a cloud of smoke and 13th floor elevators 'your going to miss me'*

(by the way am a obsessive compulsive, if you don't want me around don't mention any of postings...this is a hint to make me go away....just trying to be helpful...bye bye)

1) You have OCD then? What's the compulsion, being obnoxious? Very odd. Most OCD sufferers do stuff supposedly to *avoid* bad things...you invite derision and ridicule.

2) Pardon me if I missed something, but what is the connection between 'Paul' and 'Masonic Boom'?

; - )

Read into that whatever you will. And based on the foregoing, it seems like a blessing for me.

Both of these bands we've been discussing, Gay Dad and The Strokes have had huge hype machines behind them. Obviously, this has affected our perception of them, and their music.

In the chartpop world, clearly hype does no harm- the whole Popstars/Hear'Say phenomenon, which many hoped would finally blow the roof off and expose the wires and smokes and mirrors behind the chartpop svengali world, seemed to have quite the opposite, and many call it "the world's longest advert for a single."

The Strokes, much hyped as you've seen from clear explanations from Scott P., have provoked an extreme disgust reaction in many people, including me. I didn't like them the first time I heard them (in a dingy little club on the Lower East Side) - but honestly, I see many bands live, and hear hundreds of promo CDs every month that commit far greater offenses against my tastes in music, but they've not provoked the same dislike.

And that got me thinking about Gay Dad. Initially I did *like* their first single. But the surrounding hype (and it really was the first time I'd seen hype from the inside. Their rise to fame coincided with my moving to London, experiencing the poster and press deluge, being friends with music journalists who got the press releases and promos) quickly drove me to go from "Oh well, good first single, couldn't live up to it" to dismisssing the entire thing as a media stunt.

If hype has such a negative, backfiring effect on bands, why do bands, their labels, their Pluggers and their publicists continue to rely so heavily on it? Can you think of a situation where hype has had a *positive* influence on a band?

Is anti-hype the answer? Radiohead, in their refusal to do press, do interviews, do singles, videos, promos, etc. seemed to be making anti- hype a hype in itself. Is there a middle ground between Thom Yorke, and that cover of Melody Maker "we are the best band in the world" bollocks so common in the 90s?

I mean, what can we/they (fans? bands? press? record industry as a whole?) do about this?

If you can criticize bands, why can't people criticize your band? If you put yourself in the arena, I mean. Most of the critics, bear grudges, why is it that guy's criticism something no one could stomach?

Just wondering.

A: "larvae always attaches onto beauty"

I have been around long enough to be able to tell the difference between negative criticism and personal attack.

As I said many times in the Courtney Love thread, if you don't like the music, well, fine, stick to the music. Tell me why you do or don't like the music. (or the image, or the hype, or the anything objective.) I can take negative criticism- if you don't like the music, fine. But personal attack is not on- you may insult my music, you may not insult *me*.

I would really like to put this whole thing behind us. Enough already.

Lots of interesting comments about the Strokes in this thread... and months before the debut album came out (no pun intended)

i am kind of curious about gay dad though... any good?

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Wiki:

Since 2013, Jones has managed the Radiophonic Workshop, (a.k.a. BBC Radiophonic Workshop).

...what??!!

Does he employ the old drummer to make fresh funky beats for the shires?

I almost went along to see the Workshop recreate the Doctor Who theme with tapes (not sure if copies or the originals) of the multitracks for a BBC doc. then Covid happened.

I really like "Different Kind of Blue" off their debut