I'm a bit obsessed with these right now, have tried posting on Twitter but only got tumbleweeds, so here's the description of this thing
Been thinking about an odd micro-genre, records which come out to cash in on a new musical craze but which are pitched at people who simply aren't ready for new music. These are generally pretty lame affairs but in terms of cultural history they are fascinating.
The great granddaddy of this is Irving Berlin's 'Alexander's Ragtime Band' - a decent Tin Pan Alley / Vaudeville tune about a ragtime band, featuring exactly no resemblance to actual ragtime. Here is the earliest recording, from Collins & Harlan -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9VGvaDRxNQ
and here are Collins and Harlan again from 1916, singing a song about "Jass" a good three months before the release of the first jazz record. Actually the instrumental breaks might be considered the first recorded jazz, if such a thing wasn't a bit embarrassing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pKzVD0zfbw
Skipping forward to the 1950s, here is a song from 1954 which is about rock & roll without showing the slightest hint of being influenced by it. This is perhaps the squarest song ever recorded with "rock & roll" in the title.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJcJIK5olDo
I am positive that there are similar things out there for punk and rap in the late 70s, and some misfire psychedelic parodies from the 60s, but can't think of any. Does anyone have anything to add to this list?
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 24 February 2020 14:48 (five years ago)
Good display name, been in my head for days that
― or something, Monday, 24 February 2020 14:52 (five years ago)
While I gather that it's a bit tongue-in-cheek, Roger Miller's 1965 hit 'England Swings' comes immediately to mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I7yAC1Pz6Y
― Expart of Languidge (Old Lunch), Monday, 24 February 2020 14:53 (five years ago)
I'm on record as having a good deal of affection for Paul Nicholas and this song but really
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXRuWshJH0c
― Dunty Reggae party đ (Noodle Vague), Monday, 24 February 2020 15:21 (five years ago)
Feel like this Kinks song fits the bill for Punk, although more of a putdown than a cash-in. Think it was the B-side of âFather Christmasâ which is way more punk.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M5DBMkgU-8
― Something Super Stupid Cupid (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 24 February 2020 15:39 (five years ago)
Ha, "Alexander's Ragtime Band" was the first thing I thought of. It is a good song, just not v ragtime! Looking forward to listening to more of these.
― With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Monday, 24 February 2020 15:42 (five years ago)
The Kinks, 1980, and the Paul Nicholas, 1977, songs are not really about new genres though.
― Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Monday, 24 February 2020 15:45 (five years ago)
Bound to be some for disco I would have thought.
― Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Monday, 24 February 2020 15:46 (five years ago)
âDisco Mysticâ?Search: the episode of The Mary Tyler Moore Show with a strained sing-a-long to âAlexanderâs Ragtime Band.ââ
― Something Super Stupid Cupid (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 24 February 2020 15:48 (five years ago)
rapture?
― ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Monday, 24 February 2020 15:49 (five years ago)
I always found "Jingle Bell Rock" odd in this way.
― Sund4r, Monday, 24 February 2020 15:50 (five years ago)
For the authentic RagtimeDixielandRock and Roll feel, try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLKO4mIey88
― Something Super Stupid Cupid (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 24 February 2020 15:54 (five years ago)
Certainly sincere rather than a cash-in, but certainly not techno
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W88tEYCETv8
― Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Monday, 24 February 2020 15:56 (five years ago)
Donât think this is quite what Dizzy Gillespie and Chano Pozo had in mind. Xpost!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-gJA928XlQ
― Something Super Stupid Cupid (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 24 February 2020 16:00 (five years ago)
sultans of swing?
― equam phillips (crĂźt), Monday, 24 February 2020 16:01 (five years ago)
sorry that's not exactly "new genre craze"
â ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Monday, February 24, 2020 9:49 AM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I think I'd give this one a pass inasmuch as, feeble as it may be, there is actually some nascent rapping on the track, it's early in the genre's history, Debbie Harry actually was engaging directly with the scene, etc.
― Expart of Languidge (Old Lunch), Monday, 24 February 2020 16:02 (five years ago)
Really hard to meet all the criteria of corny contemporary cash-in though, sorry.
― Something Super Stupid Cupid (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 24 February 2020 16:03 (five years ago)
Not in response to a new genre, but this one always gives me the giggles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqY35SYsyfQ
Oh, yes, it's quite clear that you do indeed 'dig' that 'rock and roll' music.
― Expart of Languidge (Old Lunch), Monday, 24 February 2020 16:05 (five years ago)
Chuck Woolery of the Avant Garde is definitely not a narc, guys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy8gkv3e0fM
― Expart of Languidge (Old Lunch), Monday, 24 February 2020 16:08 (five years ago)
I do love T. Rex's "Metal Guru" but was it meant to have something to do with metal?
― Sund4r, Monday, 24 February 2020 16:09 (five years ago)
i don't think so. i think he meant metal in the literal sense, like copper, platinum, and such.
― ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Monday, 24 February 2020 16:12 (five years ago)
It's Marc Bolan, it's not supposed to make sense.
― Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Monday, 24 February 2020 16:13 (five years ago)
The reference to Harry Belafonte in the Joe Strummer song reminds me of Belafonte's Calypso album, which does feature Caribbean songs but generally not calypso ones.
― Sund4r, Monday, 24 February 2020 16:17 (five years ago)
Prince - Girl đď¸ Got 2 Grunge U (1992)
― âŽď¸ (peace, man), Monday, 24 February 2020 16:26 (five years ago)
Feel like there must be 100 drum n bass examples of this.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 24 February 2020 16:43 (five years ago)
A song about punk(?) that would fit right in on the rolling 80âs boogie thread:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UFtTuNTJ88
― really looking forward to wearily scrolling past all your posts (Champiness), Monday, 24 February 2020 17:31 (five years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XpWOBEZLEs
― Josefa, Monday, 24 February 2020 17:42 (five years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v9iinRs4Ck
Miss - Hip Hop (excellent french boogie tune from 1984, has some electro elements but it hip hop it ain't)
― ymo sumac (NickB), Monday, 24 February 2020 17:46 (five years ago)
Bob Marley (& Lee Perry)'s Punky Reggae Party is about as punky as Strummer's Techno D-Day is techno, though its celebration is likewise sincere
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Monday, 24 February 2020 18:02 (five years ago)
Debbie Harry's rapping is merely underwhelming - this example featured no good faith attempt at rapping whatsoever, and relied on Pat Benatar for its celebrity cameo, rather than the likes of a Fab Five Freddy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLGxWPtgodo
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Monday, 24 February 2020 18:51 (five years ago)
2 Unlimited go âtechno techno techno technoâ on Get Ready For This, which was a house track. Or rather, what was then referred to as house, definitions of house/techno/trance have significantly changed over time.
― Siegbran, Monday, 24 February 2020 18:52 (five years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrTjLfFTKTE
― Expart of Languidge (Old Lunch), Monday, 24 February 2020 18:58 (five years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFqn8m_dOZY
― Expart of Languidge (Old Lunch), Monday, 24 February 2020 19:00 (five years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psXRw8hAQ0k
(Sorry, kinda stretching the thread mandate to incorporate various manifestations of this general phenomenon.)
― Expart of Languidge (Old Lunch), Monday, 24 February 2020 19:01 (five years ago)
2 Unlimited go âtechno techno techno technoâ on Get Ready For This
^ fake geek girl
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Monday, 24 February 2020 19:01 (five years ago)
does moaning about musical crazes count as cashing in?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXGTCdYiaMM
Tippa Irie - Sleng Teng Finish Already
― wot's the tea mum? (not beef again) (DJ Mencap), Monday, 24 February 2020 19:03 (five years ago)
The Prodigy's - 'Ruff In The Jungle Biznizz' sounds nothing like what ruff jungle bizness became a year later, but things were changing pretty fast back then tbf.
― help yourself to another slice of apple ... crumble (Willl), Monday, 24 February 2020 19:06 (five years ago)
In the vein of OL's last two, check out this album of classic punk covers
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Monday, 24 February 2020 19:14 (five years ago)
Mencap reminded me of this Tippa Irie tune:
https://youtu.be/drukQYgpgK8
Tippa Irie & Daddy Rusty - Acid
― ymo sumac (NickB), Monday, 24 February 2020 19:18 (five years ago)
Surely there has to be an early song with trap in the title which isn't trap
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 24 February 2020 19:24 (five years ago)
Similarly, the âTrip Into Drum & Bassâ remix of Charlie is definitely not very d&b.
― Siegbran, Monday, 24 February 2020 19:31 (five years ago)
Other pop songs about dnb that aren't dnb:Puretone - Addicted To BassGirls Aloud - Sound Of The Underground
― ymo sumac (NickB), Monday, 24 February 2020 19:40 (five years ago)
istr someone saying We Call It Acieeed by D-Mob is not actually acid house, probably because they didn't use a 303 on it, but that seems a bit of a stretch imo
there are lots of punxploitation songs from the late 70s but most of the ones I can think of at the moment are pretty decent approximations (Jilted John, Alberto Y Lost Trios Paranoias, Plastic Bertrand, Pork Dukes etc)
― Colonel Poo, Monday, 24 February 2020 19:54 (five years ago)
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81QrWpJe8xL._SL1200_.jpg
― Expart of Languidge (Old Lunch), Monday, 24 February 2020 19:55 (five years ago)
The various KLF âtranceâ remixes are not trance at all.
― Siegbran, Monday, 24 February 2020 19:59 (five years ago)
Half Man Half Biscuit - Children Of Apocalyptic Techstep
;)
― imago, Monday, 24 February 2020 20:00 (five years ago)
I thought of D-Mob as well, thatâs a straight example. There must be more âacidâ tracks without a 303.
― Siegbran, Monday, 24 February 2020 20:00 (five years ago)
Yes, the brand new metal genre in 1995 Xxxpost
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 24 February 2020 20:01 (five years ago)
Panteraâs âPower Metalâ album is definitely not that.
― Siegbran, Monday, 24 February 2020 20:06 (five years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmxSMIN3-WI
― Expart of Languidge (Old Lunch), Monday, 24 February 2020 20:11 (five years ago)
Two birds with one stone, right there.
― Expart of Languidge (Old Lunch), Monday, 24 February 2020 20:13 (five years ago)
Unless it's supposed to induce the blues, in which case mission accomplished and I retract my 'two birds' commentary.
― Expart of Languidge (Old Lunch), Monday, 24 February 2020 20:21 (five years ago)
Puretone - Addicted To BassThis song is not about drum ânâ bass (also, FPâd you for racism)The various KLF âtranceâ remixes are not trance at all.This is just another case of a genre changing and developing more rigid characteristics after its early years.
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Monday, 24 February 2020 20:22 (five years ago)
'Addicted to Bass' is iirc the anthem of an overzealous pescatarian
― Expart of Languidge (Old Lunch), Monday, 24 February 2020 20:23 (five years ago)
my fav Robert Palmer song
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 24 February 2020 20:24 (five years ago)
Not really, I donât think anyone considered KLF as trance even in 1991.
― Siegbran, Monday, 24 February 2020 20:26 (five years ago)
Was trance both a functional and widely understood genre as such in 1991?
― Tim F, Monday, 24 February 2020 20:37 (five years ago)
Not fully, but even as proto-trance (like for example D-Shake, The MacKenzie, âStellaâ, etc) it doesnât fit.
― Siegbran, Monday, 24 February 2020 20:40 (five years ago)
imo no, also their Pure Trance series dates to 1988
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Monday, 24 February 2020 20:40 (five years ago)
I mean, like, I donât think Harthouse even got going until 1992...
― Tim F, Monday, 24 February 2020 20:40 (five years ago)
I think drum and bass / jungle is in a similar category until 1994. Orbital doing âAre We Here?â in 1994 is a deliberate jungle tribute, but the Prodigy referring to loosely jungle before that is fair enough.
― Tim F, Monday, 24 February 2020 20:42 (five years ago)
> there are lots of punxploitation songs from the late 70s but most of the ones I can think of at the moment are pretty decent approximations
The Monks (not the US/DK band, but the Strawbs associated band) "Nice Legs Shame About Her Face" is snotty and pub-rock jittery, but comes off wrong-headed and certainly feels like a cash in.
― Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Monday, 24 February 2020 20:43 (five years ago)
KLF Communications printed up all the Pure Trance sleeves by mid-â88. therefore anyone who made a trance record that sounded different later on got it wrong, not them
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Monday, 24 February 2020 20:46 (five years ago)
Yeah there could be sub-thread for usages of terms that seem inaccurate only in retrospect.
âWe Call Is Aciiiidâ may be a liminal case in that (at least based on what I have read) the (mid)understood limits of âacid houseâ were considered much broader in the UK initially than when the sound originated in Chicago, but ultimately the Chicago definition won history.
A further tangent: when itâs the critics who get it wrong. I remember reading a heap of reviews for Craig Davidâs âSeven Daysâ which were like âif this is UK garage I donât understand what is supposed to be so novel and interesting about it???â
― Tim F, Monday, 24 February 2020 20:53 (five years ago)
Lots of interesting suggestions, but afraid many are different sorts of things. I'm not looking for respectful tributes or parodies, I'm looking for naff cash-ins. For rap, for example, I'm looking for the real version of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR8qtxts1jY
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 24 February 2020 20:54 (five years ago)
âIâd Rather Jackâ?
― Siegbran, Monday, 24 February 2020 20:56 (five years ago)
Buffalo Gals?
― Tim F, Monday, 24 February 2020 20:58 (five years ago)
i considered mentioning "Rappin' Rodney" earlier but i listened and decided it was in fact hip hop
― equam phillips (crĂźt), Monday, 24 February 2020 21:01 (five years ago)
Parody stuff is a whole different thing than what weâre looking for, no?
― Siegbran, Monday, 24 February 2020 21:03 (five years ago)
âPut Your Hands Up For Detroitâ sounds like nothing Detroit was/is famous for.
― Siegbran, Monday, 24 February 2020 21:05 (five years ago)
Parody is ok, but only if it is wildly unsuccessful.
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 24 February 2020 21:06 (five years ago)
Maybe this, kinda, tho it does feature "rapping"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBsyDvzhaMk
― Dunty Reggae party đ (Noodle Vague), Monday, 24 February 2020 21:08 (five years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4z__lCCBX0
― Josefa, Monday, 24 February 2020 21:21 (five years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR3BaMQ0bBM
― Josefa, Monday, 24 February 2020 21:34 (five years ago)
There is an absolutely non jackin' Living In A Box tune that has popped up on the 1989 TOTP reruns recently that totally fits this thread... 4/4 Kick Drum / Synth Bass / House in the title:https://youtu.be/J9WgB22QwO0
― help yourself to another slice of apple ... crumble (Willl), Monday, 24 February 2020 21:53 (five years ago)
That's wild, it's like a Radio 2 version of Chakk.
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 24 February 2020 23:34 (five years ago)
only recently found out that Richard Darbyshire of living in a box was once in a band with vini reilly
― ymo sumac (NickB), Monday, 24 February 2020 23:44 (five years ago)