TS: Generation Terrorists vs Gotta Get Through This

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Both records take an idealised sound ('hard rock' and 'pop') and work very hard at recreating it on a tight budget but neccessarily come out sounding imitative - however lyrics and/or personalities give the records a twist.

But then why does Bedingfield fit however uneasily into the pop (or even the garage) scene while the Manics were always 'indie' not 'rock' (though loads of ppl who liked rock liked them too)? Oh, and you can throw Scritti Politti into the contemporary-imitative comparison bag if you like too.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 22 November 2002 10:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Daniel Bedingfield doesn't really seem to fit ANYWHERE, this is why I like him. He looks less like a proper pop star than any other proper pop star around these days, and and even less like a garage frontman. Although possibly he could make a convincing garage producer. But mostly he seems like he should be playing bass in Coldplay.

I've just realised I am not talking about music in the slightest here, so will shut up now.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 22 November 2002 10:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Manics weren't indie when they started out(?) They were nu glam rock or something. That's how they came across in MM at the time anyway. My perception of them changed some time after 'Holy Bible'.

I'm only sayng this because I don't understand your thesis, Tom. Do you want to have another go at explaining it?

― Jeff W (Jeff W), Friday, 22 November 2002 10:47 (twenty-three years ago)

My thesis is just that the origins of these records seem similar and there's a similar musically aspirational 'feel' about them, to me. I twigged a connection last night and frivolously started a thread on it. The indie thing is a complete side-issue (though I think a healthy indie scene would embrace Daniel Bedingfield as one of its own!)

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 22 November 2002 10:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Indie Music Martyrs? ; )

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 22 November 2002 10:55 (twenty-three years ago)

He makes neurotic records in his bedroom = he is SO indie! (And grebt)

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 22 November 2002 10:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Haha I'm thinking of a really indie Beddingfield review now, "A genius with over 400 evocative, dreamlike songs which he had to choose from for this life affirming first record. Wrap yourself in the effervescent glow of 'Gotta Get Through This'"

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 22 November 2002 11:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Manics were very indie indeed pre MM fuss. Mr Hopkins is a veritable goldmine of information on their shameful McCarthy loving past.

― RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 22 November 2002 11:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Blimey Ronan, you make him sound like Baby Bird.

― RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 22 November 2002 11:34 (twenty-three years ago)

the manics were meatl lefties.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 22 November 2002 12:44 (twenty-three years ago)

The Manics recorded Generation Terrorists with Sony cash and Steve Brown (producer of Wham! and The Cult) 'pon the controls, though. Beddingfield is the true bedroom boy, in a weird indie/pop stereotype reversal (although I agree with Tom about the aspirationally sheeny sound of both).

Beddingfield is weird bloke, and likeable for it. He looked genuinely in awe of Cat Deeley on CD:TV the other day, like he was actually in love with her or something. He's like a pop-garage Morrissey, chin and all.

I think the Manics were seen as indie because they took up so much space in the inky music press, which was overwhelmingly "indie" at the time. And they always went on about indie records being rubbish, while the rockers they imitated wouldn't know or care that much about indie in the first place. Maybe knowledge of indie means you can never be de-indie-fied in some people's eyes (although Scritti probably scupper that idea).

― Leo Lonergan (Leo), Friday, 22 November 2002 14:23 (twenty-three years ago)

The Manics aren't indie. Their stated goal was to make the most expensive, biggest selling album of all time. Just because they failed don't make them indie. I think that's part of it though, they don't sell = they are indie.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 22 November 2002 15:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Manics = self-loathing indies in the early days, tho they did sign to Sony, making them a rawk band with the popularity of an indie band.

this was an essential part of whatever charm they had: if they had actually become big and famous after GT, everyone would've hated them. their opinions always sounded better in interviews than on the lyric sheet.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 22 November 2002 18:09 (twenty-three years ago)

"Aspirational" is a great word and needs to be used more.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 22 November 2002 20:23 (twenty-three years ago)

scritti politti is, like, the silliest name evah

― man, Friday, 22 November 2002 20:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Most of the Manics lyrics have serious problems to be honest. Some of them are excellent but by and large they come off like wankers, too much random shit thrown in to make proper sense or even be singable half the time.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 22 November 2002 21:15 (twenty-three years ago)

"Blimey Ronan, you make him sound like Baby Bird. "

Daniel Beddingfield IS Baby Bird! Surely?? he looks just like him.

― Wyndham Earl, Friday, 22 November 2002 21:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Hrm...

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc900/c979/c979984mh2k.jpg

vs.

http://www.mtv.com/shared/media/images/artist/b/bedingfield_daniel/press/az_200208.jpg

And wasn't Mr. Bird a Kiwi too? At least for a while or something. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 November 2002 22:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Ally: all of my favorite Manics lyrics are the incomprehensible ones! ("I am idiot drug hive, the virgin the tattered and the torn")

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 23 November 2002 02:58 (twenty-three years ago)

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