rolling #metoo thread for sexual harassment in the music industry so no one misses out when artists we don't give a fuck about like Tim Westwood and Bassnectar get caught

It seems like a lot of the sexual harassment news of the last few years has either ended up in Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs or in individual artist threads like Ryan Adams and Swans: Classic or Dud? and Warped Tour 2004 and probably many more.

I just think it would do well to have a catch-all thread just for ILM. It seems like the news stories on this topic come and go and we don't get to see the full size of the issue. We could post news here or links to older revives in individual artist threads.

If this is a bad idea, feel free to let me know.

Anyways, here's Bassnectar:

No, I Do Not Want To Interview Bassnectar.

Here's Tim Westwood:

Tim Westwood = AWESOME

good idea!

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fifthgear/images/7/70/Tim_westwood.PNG/revision/latest/top-crop/width/360/height/450?cb=20180520153702

let's not forget that Tim Westwood is only one year younger than Theresa May (another child of the clergy) and uses a lot more grecian 2000. The real tragedy is he when got shot, the bullet didn't go right through his testicles. It all seems to have gone quiet about him and his grooming game. What an utter stain.

Whippin hard! What's my ride out music? pic.twitter.com/znI67xOcLO

— TimWestwoodTV (@TimWestwood) June 10, 2020

he's supposedly got knocking on half a million followers yet his "whipping hard" tweet gets him 11 retweets ..hmmm

the Minneapolis hip hop scene had a crazy week of blowing with all sorts of abusers getting outed

https://www.brooklynvegan.com/doomtree-prof-others-respond-after-members-of-minneapolis-hip-hop-scene-accused-of-abuse/

pretty glaring free pass still given to surviving classic rockers about this, feels like a conversation people want to postpone indefinitely

yeah the independent radio station i used to do a show for would send out emails about not playing music by the ducktails guy (for example) when sexual abuse allegations came out, but then people would still play james brown and led zeppelin all the time

does listening to someone's music = giving them a pass? asking for a friend

not necessarily but fandom tends to do that especially when it gets loud enough to shout down critical voices

Prince is a big one no one wants to touch

I still fuck with Prince, David Bowie, Motley Crue. Nugent, Zeppelin, Aerosmith to lesser extent. I don't know why this is, but some of the songs are so emotionally resonant to me that I can't divorce myself from them. I honestly haven't even looked into what Prince has done.

idk if it's a specific one thing, or just the general consensus that he was a humongous asshole, often abusive. but i'll let ums confirm

I'm sure that Prince was a terrible asshole in many facets of his life.

including the time when he was the symbol that he told the press they had to use the special font he gave them when writing about him, send them the special font in a file, then tried to sue people for using it in articles anyway.

https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/1117-heres-every-battle-prince-waged-against-the-internet-and-the-music-industry/

The Tim Westwood thread shows that a whole lot of ILXors really did give a fuck about him.

idk if it's a specific one thing, or just the general consensus that he was a humongous asshole, often abusive. but i'll let ums confirm

― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Thursday, July 9, 2020 5:45 PM (fifty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

No I mean grooming underage women

In 1990, 16-year-old Garcia met Prince backstage in Barcelona after he saw a tape of her dancing. After she graduated high school in Germany at the age of 17, Prince became her legal guardian.[14][4] Upon moving to Minneapolis, Prince and members of his team helped set her up with her own apartment. "At first, I stayed at the Sofitel, then they moved me to a nice little prairie house at the Country Suites, but I couldn't even make a cup of tea there, so they got me an apartment and rented furniture," she said.[15] At the age of 19, Prince instructed her to get on birth control thus beginning their sexual relationship.[4] After a four-year courtship, they married on February 14, 1996.[16]

After she graduated high school in Germany at the age of 17, Prince became her legal guardian.

Ted Nugent pulled this same trick.

Oh, well...that part I didn't know. fuck!

xpost

xps to Tom

he is like funk flex yes, but singular and glorious in a way only england can be
― bob zemko (bob), Monday, 14 October 2002 07:27 (seventeen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

just imagine how singular and glorious funkmaster flex could have been if he was an upper middle class white English pedo still "doing it" at 62!

Nona Gaye was 18 when they started dating (allegedly started)

A woman I know knows a lot of people from Prince world, an R&B singer told her the story that Prince was producing her debut solo album in the early 80s

She had done vox on the Lipps Inc project and other things

Anyway

Prince demanded a blow job in the studio, she refused, he walked out, end of her solo career

re: Doomtree, this is 100% shallow but my reaction to them after their set at the first Eaux Claires festival was “these people are terrible and I wish them all nothing but ill fortune”; I’m just sorry that their implosion is built on so much abuse and suffering.

I'd prefer to keep Bowie, James Brown and Prince out of this not because they're too beloved, just cause they're dead that seems like a different category of queasiness. unless someone here is a necromancer-for-cancellation? surely we already have a "separating the art from the artist?" thread already

but obv I'm not gonna make an actual effort to thread-police

I hear that Gesualdo guy was an asshole.

and yet he's still being played every hour, on the hour, on classic rock radio, sickening

'Moro, lasso, al mio duolo' is an undeniable jam, though.

Do these kids walking about with his face on their t-shirts even know though?

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.786988743.1102/ra,unisex_tshirt,x1860,101010:01c5ca27c6,front-c,336,366,600,600-bg,f8f8f8.jpg

Part of it is living in the middle of Minneapolis' Prince Industrial Complex and the endless hagiography gets old

Gesualdo is obviously cancelled in my book

didn't actually know any of the bad Prince stories, surprised i didn't see anyone make a lot of noise about them when he died

we all know rock n roll was partly built on this but it would be nice if we didn’t have to wait for the people to die, then wait for the mourning to die down, before any kind of minor reckoning with them. even nicer if it was their peers calling them out but that’s not happening & who else wants to deal with the threats

obv this is still going on in every genre/industry & statistically some of the ppl I like now are going to be creeps. which is shit but I’d rather know about it. lot more stuff is surely coming out soon, whether it will change anything idk. kids still love certain soundcloud dudes we knew about already. I hope they grow out of it

Worth noting that Rodney P and Ty (R.I.P) relentlessly told us of Tim Westwood’s predatory nature...no one listened. #SurvivingTimWestwood pic.twitter.com/FWGxLABWMQ

— Michael Morgan (@mikewhoatv) June 22, 2020

I'd been wondering how Westwood managed to stay so protected - from the viewpoint of 2020 it feels weird to think of the extent to which he was the biggest and pretty much only gatekeeper for any British MC (and the only person playing most rap music in the UK full stop). We're talking about a 20-30 year period of dominance here.

The even grimmer conclusion is that because he was primarily targeting young black girls, no one really cared.

I'm surprised there isn't more concerted anger directed against him from some of the bigger grime stars (unless I've missed it) because he needs dragging down, what he gets away with is outrageous.

mind you as a much as a joke character as he he seems, he still obv wields a lot of power and influence

seeming like a joke character seems to help many people who wield a lot of power & influence

Prime Ministers, for instance.

The Prince stories, while unsurprising, are really bumming me out.

yeah it's depressing
I did watch Purple Rain for the first time in probably 20 years on Netflix and that whole movie is a real grab bag of red flags though, yikes I was kinda shocked at how horrible The Kid came off

to your Doomtree post, I think those guys (except Dessa, I think she was in a different lane) were super hard drug abusers

I always felt like The Kid was supposed to look half horrible and not a model for behavior recommended by prince

but purple rain aside, djp otm. He was one of the few figures i would call a personal hero

its hard to process when a huge part, maybe the hugest part, of an artist's project is how sexuality fits into the universe they constructed

Yeah, my reading of Purple Rain was that The Kid was well on his way to becoming a piece of shit in the same vein as his father but music and Appolonia opened his eyes to his mistakes and gave him the strength to set his feet on a different path.

Also I don't mean to keep harping on this in the context of this thread but the Doomtree set was SO BAD, like half a step removed from Edina-Christian-youth-group-rapping-for-Jesus levels of bad

its hard to process when a huge part, maybe the hugest part, of an artist's project is how sexuality fits into the universe they constructed

I wouldn't say it's hard, rather that my take on it was that he was projecting a stage persona most of the time and I hoped/assumed he turned it off when it wasn't appropriate (which is of course naive when actually considered but still).

i'm starting to think that being a sexual predator / sexual power dynamics are like the quiet part of what being a successful pop star is or has always been about - the open secret. some people really seemed to relish it / some people were reluctant participants but obviously that doesn't change the end result - the pain of countless women (and queers) who suffered abuse.

'pop star' but also music industry exec etc.

this is a little out-of-bounds of this thread but i have my theories about why sexual abuse is so commonly done by people in these positions of power. part of it is the alienation of being an industrial exploiter in an exploitative capitalist framework - that very easily translates into sexual exploitation.

seems legit

Who is the Yves Tumor audience these days, I remember them dropping some cool noisy electronic stuff on Pan back in the day but now it looks they just make shitty art-rock?

They're on last year's Rosalía album/single, that's pretty much the first time I heard them.

Have never heard of this person tbh

He stood on my foot once while wearing six inch stilleto heels in a nightclub

Yves Tumor is a P4k fave. his last three full length albums have all been Best New Music, and two of them were in their year-end top 10.

https://x.com/reverendmoney/status/2090201667966751043?s=61&t=3Sco8Gmg4b4m0Dr9dGX4Ew

Weird

https://x.com/reverendmoney/status/2090201667966751043?s=61&t=3Sco8Gmg4b4m0Dr9dGX4Ew

Did we disallow twitter links?

Yves Tumor is a P4k fave. his last three full length albums have all been Best New Music, and two of them were in their year-end top 10.

In 2026, this still doesn’t answer my question

Weird

https://x.com/reverendmoney/status/2090201667966751043?s=61&t=3Sco8Gmg4b4m0Dr9dGX4Ew

it’s labeled “sensitive content” and you have to be logged in to see the tweet

Ah. It’s a video a singer posted of Tumor grabbing her.

And looking thoroughly rooted.

(got my "zooted" autocorrected)

the yves tumor revelations are not shocking to anyone who knew and/or has toured with him. its been unhinged for a long time. i did a small west coast tour with him in 2017 and literally ran from the afters seeing how he was spiraling on girls ...

— julianahuxtable (@huxtablejuliana) August 23, 2026

He's made a couple of ILX EOY polls is how I know about him.

Grim stuff coming out about Fat White Family’s Saul Adamczewski. Appears to have been swiftly dropped by promoters and labels.

https://thequietus.com/news/insecure-mens-saul-adamczewski-accused-of-assault-and-abuse/

Horrible cunt. This stuff is relentless.

The woman shared screenshots of alleged message exchanges between herself and Adamczewski in which he appears to use abusive and insulting language towards her. You can find those screenshots here and here.

no you can’t.

(a comment on inadequate reporting, not on the claims.)

I can see them.

see this is why we don't want embeds

I think in 2026 a website can assume that their readers can access instagram.

I don't, by choice, thank god - and yes, you have to have an account to see anything

I actually think that in a thread like this one, which is ostensibly about info sharing, adding barriers is decidedly not helpful in spite of how accessibly you think the info is. Doesn’t matter that much it’s just a barrier.

good point, thank you

Yves Tumor: https://www.reddit.com/r/yvestumor/comments/1vra0v7/new_allegations_police_report/

― Murgatroid, Wednesday, August 19, 2026 11:16 PM (five days ago) bookmarkflaglink

seems bogus

― out of the cradle endlessly party rocking (the table is the table), Sunday, August 23, 2026 7:01 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

gonna let this one age like piss in a used pappy van winkle barrel

I actually think that in a thread like this one, which is ostensibly about info sharing, adding barriers is decidedly not helpful in spite of how accessibly you think the info is. Doesn’t matter that much it’s just a barrier.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, August 24, 2026 8:41 AM (fifty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

The links are in a Quietus article, not in this thread.

arguably tending to ... quiet us

idk who this is and not to make light of really horrifying things he did but the band name here is just too much

https://thequietus.com/news/insecure-mens-saul-adamczewski-accused-of-assault-and-abuse/

It really fucking is!

sorry about the Tumor post— but when the original post is removed from Reddit, and there is apparent spamming of threads happening, then I tend to think that there might be something more to the story than “x person is a abuser.”

in this case i was wrong, and i am sorry.

Max Bemis of Say Anything

https://www.theprp.com/2026/08/28/news/say-anythings-max-bemis-postpones-tour-as-allegations-circulate-online/

That story links to a really creepy account on reddit from a 17 year old.

maybe we should start a list of middle aged emo singers who DON'T have allegations

Lol
Otm

That story links to a really creepy account on reddit from a 17 year old.

There are multiple similar accounts on that reddit sub, not all of them were minors but all were young women - late teens and early 20s. One thing that I was somewhat heartened to see is that the majority of them recognised the behaviour for what it was and either didn’t respond, or called him out for the age gap and being a creep/told him to seek help.

I do like that Gen Z women on the whole are a lot more blunt and brave when these things happen, but it also makes me sad because they shouldn’t have to learn to deal with that shit in the first place.

it’s a positive imo that they’re more likely / able to call out egregious exploitation — bcz they’re already more likely to identify rotm male dickbaggery as contemptible

Not sure it fits the thread, but something appears to be going on with Nirosta Steel, I'm afraid. Tone Glow just canceled their show at The Hideout.

Steel's own post on it says they're trying to reschedule for January. Might just be scheduling.

Seeing a lot of chatter about his social media follows.

People also wondering who the target of this Sparhawk vaguepost is:

That feeling you get when you keep seeing promo tweets for one of the most toxic-masculine musicians you’ve ever met. Part of it is jealousy, I suppose, but it’s wild how these guys still get rewarded and celebrated. Rock&roll means well but it still attracts narcissists.

— LOW (@lowtheband) August 10, 2026

Was assuming it was Ryan Adams, but who knows.

i don't use x -- has he been in the news/making promo tweets? why would anyone be jealous of disgraced ryan adams?

i would love to know who it is

He’s had ads on there in the past and has been promoting a European solo tour, but it was just a total guess. The downside of guessing who he meant is that someone he doesn’t intend to implicate could get implicated (say, Nick Cave or who knows).

Queens of the Stone Age are ramping up a media cycle but that seems too easy

The shoe seems to fit to some degree but obviously who knows

It's probably Weird Al.

don't even joke about Weird Al man

not with Dolly gone, we have so little sunshine left

Seriously

Well since he's in the thread title

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckx2zv0rx0nqo