this is sort of inspired by whiney's old poll, The complete, unabridged list of nu-metal that Whiney G. Weingarten fucks with, in case anyone cares
however i'm trying to use a more "objective" standard, whatever that means, to assemble a collection of albums and singles that present the most complete picture of the genre, though each record also needs to be, at the very least, "good," whatever that means in this particular context (cf. adema, whose lyrics are godawful but whose music is the most textural and lovely edition of the genre i've ever heard, tetsuo: the linen man). some of these selections may seem to be taken from non-nu-metal spaces but if you were there at the time, mindless self indulgence totally felt like a part of the scene. here's what i've got so far
korn: s/torgy: "stitches"kittie: spitdeftones: around the fursystem of a down: toxicitylinkin park: hybrid theorykorn: "got the life"/"freak on a leash"limp bizkit: three dollar bill, yall$sevendust: "black"/"denial"mindless self indulgence: frankenstein girls will seem strangely sexysepultura: rootsorgy: vapor transmissionadema: "giving in"/"the way you like it"slipknot: s/tmudvayne: "dig"static-x: wisconsin death trapp.o.d.: satellitefear factory: digimortalqueen of the damned soundtrackdeadsy: "the key to gramercy park"
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 16:23 (three years ago) link
sorry ahead of time for having embarked on this cursed project that only i care about lol
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 16:29 (three years ago) link
Feel like White Zombie's "Thunder Kiss '65" or "More Human Than Human" are early examples, though I guess there are arguments about "good", though I like them.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 22 February 2021 16:30 (three years ago) link
Rob Zombie – Hellbilly Deluxe
xpost!!
― eisimpleir (crüt), Monday, 22 February 2021 16:30 (three years ago) link
Ha, yeah, I think Rob Zombie is definitely a key to bridging the early nu-metal scene.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 22 February 2021 16:32 (three years ago) link
does Killing Joke's 2003 album count??
― eisimpleir (crüt), Monday, 22 February 2021 16:32 (three years ago) link
i've never heard it!!!
you're right i should include zombie, and possibly a powerman 5000 single
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 16:36 (three years ago) link
I once tried to do a chronological list of nu-metal bands (or adjacent bands influenced by it) by breakout single but I got bored and stopped after 2000. Feel free to pick it up
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7BYVIgJtKfbu1qYbOZB1wI?si=1SMzROiCTuK5wyGrcXvU8A
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 22 February 2021 16:37 (three years ago) link
Also, don't forget
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FlHCF65sgo
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 22 February 2021 16:38 (three years ago) link
brad you gotta hear it
― eisimpleir (crüt), Monday, 22 February 2021 16:46 (three years ago) link
i've been meaning to get deeper into killing joke ever since i saw my first alex in nyc post, maybe this is the year
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 16:47 (three years ago) link
also i had no prior knowledge of darwin's waiting room. solid!!!!
my personal favorite forgotten single-album nu-metal act that didn't have much of a profile: the deadlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VHD2nmeYJ4
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 16:50 (three years ago) link
ASTEROID!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShNBGIbo2H8
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Monday, 22 February 2021 16:54 (three years ago) link
first two soulfly albums belong; I saw a lot of "SHUTDAFUCKUP" shirts and hoodies back in the day
The 2003 KJ album is not a nu-metal record. It is really, really good though.
The thing with Static-X is that their first two albums are a) their best and b) their least nu-metal. On albums 3 and 4, producers pushed them really hard to sound more like Korn, and they were very bad at it. They didn't recover until album 5, which was a return to form. (I still listen to Static-X fairly often.)
Nothingface's Violence, from 2000, belongs on this list. Didn't sell well, but very underrated.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 22 February 2021 16:55 (three years ago) link
also Machine Head's embarrassing Burning Red
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Monday, 22 February 2021 16:55 (three years ago) link
Joel McIver said that anyone dismissing the album as nu metal has not listened to it, or is not a fan of the "atmospheric, impassioned groove-metal that Machine Head were focusing on at this stage."[4] Rick Anderson of AllMusic called the album "aggro-metal".[11] Responding to critics, McClain stated the band was not trying to emulate popular trends; they simply "wanted to sound different".
mm hmmm.
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Monday, 22 February 2021 16:56 (three years ago) link
is evanescence nu-metal?
― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Monday, 22 February 2021 16:56 (three years ago) link
the KJ album is the best thing Grohl has done outside of nirvana. to the point where I can almost forgive him for Foo Fighters (can't forgive him the AIDS denial).
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Monday, 22 February 2021 16:58 (three years ago) link
― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Monday, February 22, 2021 9:56 AM (fifteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
almost certainly to some degree but i have a pretty strict cut-off point of 2002, when nu-metal and post-grunge started to congeal as categories
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 17:12 (three years ago) link
i should also prob include something from disturbed but... i don't even think the one disturbed album i like is great
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 17:13 (three years ago) link
Disturbed were OK. Their second album is their best but even that's like a B+ at best. They were ridiculously popular for a while, though; I wrote about that a few years ago.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 22 February 2021 17:19 (three years ago) link
i was now-years old when i discovered that the album version of "down with the sickness" has one of the most fucked up bridges in all of nu-metal
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 17:24 (three years ago) link
this collab between Prong vs FOETUS still does the trick for me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-88o8Mn6rP4
― mark e, Monday, 22 February 2021 17:28 (three years ago) link
xphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGB1pLcEM1g
― eisimpleir (crüt), Monday, 22 February 2021 17:41 (three years ago) link
typically awful "no budget band in a room FACTOR grant" aesthetic at work here, but I always loved this band, sort of the cancon hum/deftones. they seemed poised for greater things but ended up dissolving shortly after this single came out. their last two albums are def in my personal canon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDjfnZQHMkc
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Monday, 22 February 2021 17:50 (three years ago) link
Brad - do you place any of the alt-industrial bands in the nu-metal canon? Thinking stuff like Stabbing Westward or Pitchshifter, both had decent singles - especially the former, imho.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 22 February 2021 18:15 (three years ago) link
incubus s.c.i.e.nc.e.
― Dusty Benelux (jim in vancouver), Monday, 22 February 2021 18:24 (three years ago) link
far tin cans with strings to you
coal chamber self-titled
― Dusty Benelux (jim in vancouver), Monday, 22 February 2021 18:27 (three years ago) link
taproot gift
this feels a little like "bands that wouldn't exist without the Demon Knight soundtrack"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_Knight_(soundtrack)
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Monday, 22 February 2021 18:39 (three years ago) link
omg i rewatched demon knight last week and it is totally anticipatory of nu-metal horror
one of the best movies ever
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 18:54 (three years ago) link
― Dusty Benelux (jim in vancouver), Monday, February 22, 2021 11:27 AM (twenty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
are coal chamber actually good? i guess it's time i found out
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 18:55 (three years ago) link
i dont know that they're good but they are very much archetypal nu-metal
― Dusty Benelux (jim in vancouver), Monday, 22 February 2021 18:57 (three years ago) link
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, February 22, 2021 11:15 AM (forty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
nope!!! even though they technically fit the criteria of "songs that i got into 1999-2000 just because they were set to dragon ball z amvs"
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 18:57 (three years ago) link
i haven't heard the record for over 20 years, i liked it at the time!
― Dusty Benelux (jim in vancouver), Monday, 22 February 2021 18:58 (three years ago) link
gravity kills also not allowed in
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 18:58 (three years ago) link
this thread should also double as a general pandemic/quarantine regression thread
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:01 (three years ago) link
listen
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:09 (three years ago) link
2 bands that have been mentioned but not the albums I have the most attachment to:
Deftones: White PonyIncubus: Make Yourself
Also, the first Soulfly album (last band i saw before the pandemic) and Follow the Leader might deserve to be included too. And Significant Other if not already brought up (I know brad linked to a track in another thread).
― gman59, Monday, 22 February 2021 19:11 (three years ago) link
white pony is a perfect record, one of the best ever made, and somehow falls outside of the zone i'm creating here
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:12 (three years ago) link
follow the leader is at least 30 percent hot garbage, i included only the big singles for a reason
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:13 (three years ago) link
a rap battle between jonathan davis and fred durst that is mostly gay panic jokes.... not in my canon
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:14 (three years ago) link
White Pony only counts if we’re talking the re-release with the godawful “Mini Maggit” opener.
Nice to see Vapor Transmissions making the cut.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 22 February 2021 19:16 (three years ago) link
I saw Coal Chamber headline Roseland in NYC in 1999. It was an all-Roadrunner bill with support from Machine Head, promoting The Burning Red, Slipknot, and Amen (a mercifully forgotten punk-metal band). Slipknot's set was basically the first six songs from their s/t album, plus maybe two other songs. It was completely amazing. Nobody else that night could compete. Machine Head were OK, Coal Chamber were boring, but Slipknot blew the walls down.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:22 (three years ago) link
I will die on the "mini maggit is good" hill
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:23 (three years ago) link
follow the leader was a big disappointment for me at the time. i did the thing, which i ended up doing with lots of bands whose new music i didn't really like, of trying to convince myself that it was good, but i couldn't keep up the pretense for too long.
― Dusty Benelux (jim in vancouver), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:25 (three years ago) link
i considered putting both significant other and chocolate starfish on here but like... not gonna win any hearts with three full limp bizkit albums in the canon lol
maybe this is the thread where i advocate for this song being the best song ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntw1a9_5TwE
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:26 (three years ago) link
also, in things i didn't expect to read in the wikipedia entry for the second crazy town record: "The second and final single, "Hurt You So Bad", features Rivers Cuomo from Weezer on the track's guitar solo.[9]"
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 20:53 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cSGGmd7f8g
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 20:56 (three years ago) link
i thought "butterfly" was the worst song of all time for like a full decade, i'm overdue for a heel turn in this direction
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, March 2, 2021 8:24 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
lol yeah i'm cured, shit sounds awesome
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 21:04 (three years ago) link
"butterfly" is the only nu-metal song to hit #1 on the billboard hot 100
― little johnny juul (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 21:06 (three years ago) link
i wouldnt consider butterfly nu-metal
― himpathy with the devil (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 21:09 (three years ago) link
Is there a reason “significant other” isn’t in the canon in the list?
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 21:11 (three years ago) link
just feel like i can summarize its impact with "nookie" and "break stuff" only but there's no special reason no lol
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 21:13 (three years ago) link
ugh i do not relish thinking a song called "lollipop porn" is a total jam
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 21:20 (three years ago) link
also i thought this record was gonna be way more misogynistic than it is, oh wait here comes "revolving door"
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 21:21 (three years ago) link
actually this is fine for the most part. fuck. goddammit. why do i like the crazy town record so much
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 21:23 (three years ago) link
ok i give up, pls retitle this thread the quarantine regression canon
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 21:25 (three years ago) link
oh wait here comes "revolving door"
always loved that riff :/
― groovemaaan, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 21:29 (three years ago) link
it's good!!!
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 21:30 (three years ago) link
crazy town's in the fucking canon
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 21:32 (three years ago) link
the crazy town album was one of the first cds i bought, i remember being really fascinated by "black cloud" lol
― groovemaaan, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 21:34 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgEqGFwcfdM
tight!!!!
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 21:36 (three years ago) link
i forgot that someone mentioned soulfly upthread so i'm gonna listen to the first two records after revisiting roots, which is just about the most awesome record ever made. ppl who think otherwise... i know everything i need to know about their taste
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 21:45 (three years ago) link
weird thing is Soulfly is pretty trad metal now
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 21:47 (three years ago) link
Feel like “Bawitaba” fits the canon for MI-nü metal
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 23:12 (three years ago) link
Ignore the umlaut I accidentally switched keyboard language settings
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 23:13 (three years ago) link
"bäwitdäbä"
― little johnny juul (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 23:25 (three years ago) link
Papa Roach 'Last Resort' has to be in the canon!
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 23:30 (three years ago) link
I need to relisten but I’m fairly certain Project 86 had some nu metal cuts.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 23:33 (three years ago) link
it's a stretch since these are from outside the scene and kinda late to the game at that. but these ayumi hamasaki songs would be in my personal nu metal canon -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i82ThTaK29shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkepjPRV24U
― (⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 23:57 (three years ago) link
"Microphone" possibly even more so. I love the whole Rock 'n' Roll Circus album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTvmPLt1ncA
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 01:53 (three years ago) link
can we (or i, i guess) get brad to listen to methods of mayhem or vanilla ice's "hard to swallow" LP by mentioning them itt?
― himpathy with the devil (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 18:03 (three years ago) link
it could happen
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 18:12 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMeHs0SF2Ks
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 4 March 2021 03:34 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHOc0qBF15A
huge banger
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 4 March 2021 03:47 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD8XT2mMrGU
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 4 March 2021 03:57 (three years ago) link
I would like to submit "numbskull" (1999) by ash as a weird case of nu-metal influence warping a non-nu-metal band's sound to hilarious effect
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 March 2021 04:09 (three years ago) link
Is there any good jammy or prog nu metal
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 4 March 2021 07:56 (three years ago) link
I mean I know there is, but I’m thinking more like a band where that was their overall direction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhZp43zq_54
is this the thread to post this in
― ufo, Thursday, 4 March 2021 08:41 (three years ago) link
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, March 4, 2021 12:56 AM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
i feel like in practice this ends up inevitably sounding like tool. i also can't think of a band where this is their whole thing, as opposed bands who had one album where they tried it (mudvayne's the end of all things to come and dir en grey's uroboros are the two possibilities that came to mind)
that nothingface album isn't exactly prog but it's not not proggy. hm
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 4 March 2021 15:25 (three years ago) link
xp with Brad...
The second Mudvayne album, The End of All Things to Come, is Tool-ish prog-metal disguised as nu-metal. They even got David Bottrill, who worked with Tool and King Crimson, to produce it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0S9ck12Cd0
Their next album kinda stuck to this direction, but headed a little more toward radio rock.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 4 March 2021 15:25 (three years ago) link
ive listened to so much nu metal this week. just had an urge to listen to freak on a leash and im doing that right now
dare i revisit the korn unplugged album?
― himpathy with the devil (jim in vancouver), Friday, 5 March 2021 00:17 (three years ago) link
lol i did not even listen to it, cannot see the point of it
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 5 March 2021 00:23 (three years ago) link
i listened to it ironically a few years ago while high in a hotel bedroom at a hot springs resort on my 33rd birthday. definitely wasn't good
― himpathy with the devil (jim in vancouver), Friday, 5 March 2021 00:27 (three years ago) link
but i am now owning my love of korn so maybe im ready now
i had completely forgotten about the existence of "wicked" featuring chino moreno
― himpathy with the devil (jim in vancouver), Friday, 5 March 2021 00:30 (three years ago) link
That’s funny because the only thing I ever remembered about that album was that exact track and their cover of “lowrider”
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 5 March 2021 02:17 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy17DWrjNT0
omg i forgot how much of a jam this is
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 12 March 2021 21:00 (three years ago) link
animosity is def the best sevendust record that i've heard but it's like... very un-nu-metal for the most part. "shine" is an amazing song but i also thing it embodies what i'm talking about
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 12 March 2021 21:27 (three years ago) link
Animosity is good. the songwriting finally utilizes Lajon's voice properly.
"Xmas Day" is great
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 12 March 2021 22:07 (three years ago) link
going by your op, either of the first two Will Haven recs, qualify maybe?
xp
― where do all these unsold amps go? (gaudio), Friday, 12 March 2021 22:12 (three years ago) link
i finally checked out snot... get some feels a little too funk metal, maybe? but strait up is kind of a scene classic, surprisingly really awesome throughout
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 14 March 2021 22:47 (three years ago) link
i also finished this mix of nu-metal remixes over the weekend and i'm sooo happy with it
https://www.mixcloud.com/brad-nelson4/double-exposures-vol-82-everything-that-i-am-rearranging/
1. kittie: safe (kmfdm inc. remix)2. mudvayne: dig (future evolution remix)3. static-x: love dump (mephisto odyssey's voodoo mix)4. godflesh: crush my soul (ultramixedit)5. korn: here to stay (bt's managed anger mix)6. orgy: stitches (green velvet mix)7. limp bizkit: nookie (androids vs. las putas remix)8. nine inch nails: the hand that feeds (photek straight mix)
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 15 March 2021 14:18 (three years ago) link
this is awesome so far i am very excited for the BT korn remix!
― adam, Monday, 15 March 2021 15:05 (three years ago) link
this kittie/KMFDM remix gives me serious buffy vibes
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Monday, 15 March 2021 15:21 (three years ago) link