From the fire vocaled/Ash and molten glass like EyjafjallajöPOLL - ILM Artist Poll #108: MF DOOM. Voting til April 11.

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yknow I still can't believe this shit. The year we all put on masks, on Halloween no less, and the word put out on new year's eve, DOOM's gone ?

If you're reading this, please vote, listen, take part.

This is gonna get unwieldy. Hopefully I won't be the only one posting loads of Youtubes (if this thread gets clogged, open it in a incognito/non-logged-in window!).

But I don't think it's controversial to say that the most popular material is going to be the run of albums from 99-09:

Operation: Doomsday (MF DOOM)
Take Me to Your Leader (King Geedorah)
Vaudeville Villain (Viktor Vaughn)
VV:2: Venomous Villain (Viktor Vaughn)
Mm..Food (MF DOOM)
Madvillainy (Madvillain)
The Mouse and the Mask (DANGERDOOM)
Born Like This (DOOM -- when he dropped the "MF" for a bit there)

I about lost my mind trying to make a bigger list (if NEHRUVIANDOOM is in then why not MA DOOM and the John Robinson album?). We'll get to trying. Together!

All to say that if you've heard a handful of the above, get at me. If you haven't, what better time?

maffew12 at hotmail dot com. Voting is open til midnight the night of April 11.

I'm leaving things pretty open. All album tracks, features, and productions are eligible. Anything that isn't a bootleg (apologies to SADEVILLAIN). If you're wondering about some obscure release, post here.

You can vote for a 2-volume Special Herbs release as an album, but not for a "0-9" set.

Please vote for a minimum of 5 albums and/or 10 tracks. There are no maximums. Would love to roll out albums, tracks, and a full spice rack (tallying various uses of beats).

Any votes for track remixes, early (12") versions or live takes I'll be combining. However album votes for "Madvillainy 2", the remix album, will stand on their own. Top album is probably going to be tight, and we're not having it decided on the back of down-ballot secondary Madvillain votes!

I realize this all leaves us open to having Ghostface's "9 Milli Bros" topping the tracks. But cmon now.

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I have to spend more time with the KMD albums. Onyx recently posted a bit on Instagram...

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fk!

Really excited for this!

Tempted to vote for cellz pt 1. I do think that in terms of quintessential doom beats, and I consider his approach to beats to be essential to what doom is all about, the gheedorah album is perfect.

Hey maf!

So excited for this. Gonna listen to ridiculous amounts of doom this week. Currently trying to put together a Spotify playlist but there are some obscure ass singles on his wiki page (the only thing that seems to be missing is vik Vaughn 2)

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2rWNVlUvbmfiN2m204DozP?si=g_zi0zY6Rhy1inLlaW3OXg

Here is everything I could find. It’s open so if you wanna add anything, feel free. I just put albums on wholesale so there may be some repeats where they put similar versions on extended versions etc. and instrumentals too.

Putting it on random while walking the dog I’ve already heard Ace In The Hole and Rock Co.Kane Flow, two absolute gems I’m gonna have to vote for

Great, thanks! Spotify does have an impressive amount of his material, but the "complete" playlists that people make never seem to catch all of it. We can have a go.

Reading back, not sure I was totally clear up top: I don't know how many albums he was involved with (or authorized use of his beats for... and I didn't want to get into that distinction), let alone tracks. If there's a big fan of "Escape from Monsta Island" out there, I want to hear about it. I wasn't about to set a minimum of time on the mic or something.

I've been hearing a lot of shit I haven't heard in almost 20 years, and still finding new things. Til last night, I had no idea this existed (a hoy hoy caught it):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS2O5pMCOa0

Working with Jneiro Jarel 5 years before JJ DOOM - cool 🤿

lol@ that fan video

Rock Co.Kane Flow

might be top 10 for me... you sent me back to this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWiUeU6VCso

why am i awake this early. I'll be back after a big bowl of MF-O's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVPypARduMY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIggvDVt_eU

This is a low key banger off the end of Danger Doom.

It is. Danger calming the cartoon album down for a minute. The record is a lot of fun... but easily my least favourite of the album run I put in the OP. Which is wild.

Reminded me of this stray track Danger and Mark Linkous did with DOOM that was put out in 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJCohAV7NtM

you missed it on Spotify so I added it!

"I Hear Voices" had me wondering if I'd seen all the videos he actually appeared in. KMD had a couple, there's "?" and "Dead Bent" off Doomsday (still with this chopped up Halloween mask thing), 2 Madvillain singles, 2 JJ DOOM... think that's it? Anyway the animated stuff is great, and there's no shortage of crazy fan videos. Since we're on Danger, I just found this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQakz9-kvfI

More Tony Starks? Alright

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtkArIh0O2E

posting this from 2018 as a friend was involved with it, also it's pretty good and samples JLT which must be a unique combo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9hRLLj1Ur0

I played the shit out of that when it, er, dropped and I never bothered to look up the sample. Thanks! Is YOTA still active?

Not sure, they did a single with Noel Gallagher in 2019 which was uh less good, have not heard anything since then, may check in with him and find out

The JLT track is on Bob Stanley's English Weather compilation, it was quite a surprise to come across it.

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his wiki page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MF_Doom_discography - That is a good reference for people looking. And before we get to "skipping" thread length I'll link some more that I've found handy:

Genius: https://genius.com/artists/Mf-doom (click Show All Songs and then there's a few sorting options)
RYM: https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/mf-doom (Appears On section pretty solid)

Also here's a 10 year old snapshot of a site that was a good reference for herb usage
http://web.archive.org/web/20111120101315/http://metalfacedoom.com/

Anyways let's get talking faves soon.

For now, I've discovered there's chill lofi doom to relax/study to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twlDZPbnlO0

someone did an update on the Herbs listing and included the sample sources too: http://special-herbs.github.io/

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYQ16Dzj81A

now if i could keep things at exactly the same speed a minute... here's a top 10 for sure, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5s6jcuw6NM

just found this fan version wtf?!

His remix of pounds up by MOP is just all time classic and so perfect I wish they worked together.

That sounds like something I need to hear right now

Thank you so much for doing this. Sorry if this was already said but KMD albums and tracks are fine to use here?

also, what a beat this is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBr1ebmBjME

Yes! Vote KMD! Honestly if Sub Roc didn’t die, I could still see them going in a similar vain. He was just as talented and loved by Doom, his contributions should be 100% be part of this.

Unless maff says otherwise I want to vote for It Sounded Like A Roc. They are only inseparable only by death (man this took a dark turn, but so did his career)

I guess even if Subroc didn’t die, Elektra would have still lost their shot over Black Bastards. (I think he already died but soz if I got the timeline wrong.) It would have been two brothers figuring out how to come back as super villains (+onyx maybe)

I've played a DOOM project every day since Jan. 1.

Dooms sound would prob have been diff if his brother survived. My understanding is subroc tightened their stuff up a bit whereas doom was much looser

oh absolutely, if subroc survived he might've remained zev love x and never put on the mask

Personally, BB is my fave doom album. I love lots on his solo albums, but that album was an apex in a way. In some ways I think he got better and better and more adventurous, but I liked the playfulness of bb even as it was more hard bitten than mr hood. But kmd also showed doom is maybe 'tighter' when given a collaborator, like when he did dangerdoom ir jjdoom, but the way he did beats as a solo artist made him my favourite hip hop producer of that period. I get everyone likes madvillainy but I'll take the highlights of doomsday,food and born like this over that.

madvillainy demos > the final officially released madvillainy

Eligibility is wide open, everything but bootlegs! Sorry if it was confusing to put the big run of albums up top in an effort to try and engage more casual fans.

Also this is my first poll so by all means question my decisions here. It was hard to try and pin down a similar past poll. A pretty unique career.

oh absolutely, if subroc survived he might've remained zev love x and never put on the mask

What about this line though?
https://genius.com/Kmd-what-a-nigga-know-lyrics#note-1509464

From listening to some podcasts since his death, like the Serch one, I think Subroc was a more meticulous producer and DOOM’s style was always more a lofi, choppy kinda style. If Sub was still alive, the beats might have sounded a bit smoother but I think similar ideas would have been thrown around.

I recently listened to a podcast with Prodigy where he introduced Havoc to the Sp. even though we all think of Havoc as the Mobb deep producer, I think understanding that they all have an input is interesting. Subroc was the Havoc to KMD, but Doom knew enough to take his ideas to Bobito’s house after his death to launch a solo career.

I do wonder how much 88-94 was a collective effort of friends. Someone who loved jazz, heard something no one else did and took that to their mate Diamond D or whoever is basically the apex of music to me.

I recently heard a record Pete rock sampled and was amazed how he found so much potential in literally what I think was barely two bars. For me, doom without his own beats isnt really, truly doom. a bit like wu tang members and rza. Prob cos I'm not someone to be that wowed by rap lyrics, I'm more a flow and beats person, with a few exceptions. But the way ppl geek out over dilla is how I feel about doom beats.

I'm not putting on Herbs collections to listen to like I would Donuts or something... but I'm with you that you can't beat DOOM rhyming on his own beats. The way he puts together this whole world on Doomsday and Food. Madvillainy's great but it's something different.

fwiw, 8 tracks of DOOM rhyming on DOOM beats that don't appear on DOOM(etc) albums
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1yA9HLeOIPOZWQjUtQcEJL?si=a5w6HTlPTtaKm3p4ptfwFQ

I Hear Voices pt 1
w MF Grimm - Impostas (MF EP)
MF Grimm - Foolish
Monsta Island Czars - MIC Line
Hell Razah feat. Talib Kweli & MF DOOM - Project Jazz
John Robinson - Sorcerers
MA DOOM - Think I Am
DOOMSTARKS - Victory Lap
DOOMSTARKS - Lively Hood

I think that's it?

9*!

oh and "MEATHEAD"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smVoxgny20U
came out about a year ago... must be the last production of his there is right now

I have that MIC album somewhere. I think I got it for one song but literally dont know the rest.

i wish that it was much better, yes i doooooooo

Here's a deep cut I like. The beat is so infectious!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJpwKJcLjao

wtf i had no idea that reissue had new stuff, that's gorgeous. thank you

i think I'm gonna be doing more than one album resequencing as i try and process everything to squeeze a ballot out in time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHKIg17oHPI

Recently learning where the sample from The Finest and freaking out hearing it on the radio gave me a new appreciation for it. It’s weird how big a noise people made about puffy sampling pop hits from the 80s to take over the charts and DOOM did exactly the same thing to idk fictionally take over the planet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULEzINHZv3o

Yeah though DOOM never took part in that dumb criticism or any other rappity rap tropes, far as I recall... other than the idea of the mask gimmick being talked of as an anti-superstar-image, anyone-could-be-under-there kind of concept... when it suited him.

From listening to some podcasts since his death, like the Serch one,

Thanks, I hadn't grabbed this. We should compile a list of good interviews/shows. Gilles Peterson's tribue mix had a good monologue by Dante Ross at the start, though it just made me more confused about who did what in KMD.

Email it to the address in the opening post.

Already feels like ages since I voted. Being lazily Sp*tify-centric these days I neglected to check back on VV2 until afterwards. I'll not be losing tooooo much sleep over it, it turns out.

apparently he selected the producers for that one via raffle. and it sounds like it!

"Back End" is nice though -- with a young Diplo producing? And warns you off buying the record in the first line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7lTrzJGjEw

I was listening to vintage busta today and thought it was a shame no one tried to pair him with doom. He always sounded best on kinda lo fi ummah or DJ scratch beats and he had his own apocalypse comic book shit going on, it would have been really easy to make up a storyline

there was this in 2016 at least

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1uN139ceB0

a random older track he guests on that one my favs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxRGUo4tLjE

THE FINAL (29) HOUR(S) IS HERE FOR THE PEOPLE OF ILX

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKDeN198j8M

i only just noticed the spottify playlist last night!

(i'll be submitting soon tho)

"shame no one tried to pair him with doom. He always sounded best on kinda lo fi ummah or DJ scratch beats"

Idk, rhymes galore, put your hands..., and many other tracks show busta was pretty fabulous, arguable better, on other sorts of beats. Doom on the other hand, was more like nas.

Doom on the other hand, was more like nas.

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candyman please email in a ballot. Dying to read that. To your earlier question about posting it on the board, people often do that following the roll-out (which will be on a new thread linked from here in the coming days). Cheers

Xpost, doom and nas are better on less produced boom bap stuff IMO. I mean that jj doom album was cool, but I prefer him on grittier stuff.

ah ok. i kinda disagree with that re: doom. i wouldn't call madvillain or mm food "gritty" in the traditional sense. viktor vaughn, sure.

Vikster the slickster tho

Umm but uh, he study rhymes and patter-ins
Climb so steep sometimes the beat don't be mattering

I'd close thread there if i could

just sent my nominations. i cant imagine my choices are that different to others tbh (listening back to operation doomsday, i forgot how much i must have listened to it at the time and how many of the songs i remembered so well, really hard to pick standouts) though i did add a top ten doom instrumentals list. madvillainy is overrated a bit i reckon, though i can accept its a good doom album and for people who find his beats a bit idiosyncratic, its prob easier to get into. i really wanted to nominate tick tick feat grimm (white album sample pre dangermouse!) but didnt know where to put it. you need to allow for a mf grimm bonus ballot! grimm and doom were a great duo.

You can totally vote for a Grimm produced by DOOM (or anybody else). Revisions before midnight Pacific are fine as well.

I'm liking the top beats list as well. I will probably be able to produce a "herbs" list just out of the vocal versions people voted for. I mentioned maybe doing that in OP but never suggested sending in a herbs list. Though a bunch of people did include instrumentals among their tracks.

oops that reads backwards. Anybody produced by DOOM is fair game on the tracks ballot, I meant.

Also, I've replied to all ballots. If you haven't heard back from me, shout at me here.

ill prob leave it as is but might do a grimm/doom top 10 list as a bonus ballot (argh i might have to find my MIC album too).

actually i didnt include the gheedorah album in my album list, just cos it was more of a doom crew rather than doom album, but it is my favourite doom album in terms of his productions.

It would be best to slot them into one big tracks ballot along with your instrumental picks. Otherwise it'll just be some input for me doing some stats on instrumentals, and something you could post in the roll-out thread for discussion. Whatever you like tho.

yeah Geedorah is tricky to place. Most have though. Slot it in there somewhere if you want to help boost it.

I'll just post it here later. Interested to see the results now.

Idk if this is still open but sent a ballot!

I’m not gonna be able to do the graphics until Sunday so maff how do you feel about still taking ballots until saturday?

ha yes ok. Send them in

I'll send one today.

Cool!

Finally did mine last night. Splitting hairs between things i noted 9 and 10 during a slow listen through this whole time. 60 tracks. One other ballot was that long too.

So max 60 tracks at this point, so I can go ahead and sort out the points scale soon. Minimum still just 10 tracks. And/or 5 albums. Still no max on albums.

I feel bad for pretty much ignoring dangerdoom but n/m

"I wouldn't call madvillain or mm food "gritty" in the traditional sense. viktor vaughn, sure."

Madvillainy isn't gritty? Sure sounds it to me. It has that whole dusty crate digging vibe all over it, to my ears. Partly why I'm not an unconditional maflub fan, sonetimes that dustiness feels a bit uniform.

Mmm food, true, theres more electro samples on there, which gives it a diff vibe and texture. But at this point IIRC producers like 9th wonder were using cleaner sonics too. As a producer I think doom seemed to use a lot of clear loops, but it was the way he triggered the samples that disrupted that smoothness.

The grit was always in his drums though, and the weird slightly drunken lopsided timing was how he triggered those drum tracks too

I want to see if anyone voted for nastradoomus lol

I also pretty much wound up ignoring Danger in the end. 60 tracks just wasn't long enough to really get into that (and I didn't want to go longer than that in the end...cripes).

For all the talk of features and productions and all the nerd stuff that I love so much, you know that 90% of my ballot was from the 99-04 run of albums. So one last appeal to the more casual fans: if you've only heard the big releases, get on in here.

Still not heard the bishop nehru album but oh well.

xp No one has put Nastradoomus up yet, no. I did say no bootlegs or fan mixed stuff. But did DOOM actually make this one? This is all super fuzzy (if anyone is wondering how there could be no maximum on the albums ballot... it's open for discussion).

I don't think you're missing much on the Nehru but it's a pleasant listen.

Just in case ppl missed this one-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFCqwDQUbvc

Also, I've replied to all ballots. If you haven't heard back from me, shout at me here.

― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, April 15, 2021 9:45 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

I don't think I've had a reply yet?

Got yours, Gavin, thank you!

OK cool!

sent!

did i miss the deadline?

Nope, we're open til sometime Saturday.

I'll post when we're cut off. all caps.

We can leave this open most of the day. Excel ain't shit. Get at me, stragglers.

CLOSED. Thanks all. Hope to roll out results Monday and Tuesday.

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Blessed be the lord who believe any POLL RESULTS they read up on a message board: ILM Artist Poll #108 - MF DOOM

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And thanks before I blank into anaphylactic shock
Rock the disco
Chocolate on a Crisco ho?
Cock diesel, and still tell a joke like Joe Piscipo
Tell 'em the basics
Basically, break the Matrix
And just for kicks, make 'em gel like ASICs