A Liberal Impulse in Country and Western?

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Nope. I have no pet theory here.
Use whatever definition of "liberal", "country", "western" ("influence", "grebt", "sux0r"...) you prefer.

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Monday, 25 November 2002 19:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Kinky Friedman?

hstencil, Monday, 25 November 2002 19:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Woody Guthrie?

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steve k, Monday, 25 November 2002 20:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Wouldn't Woody Guthrie count as folk?

j.lu (j.lu), Monday, 25 November 2002 20:18 (twenty-three years ago)

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Johnny Paycheck's "Take This Job and Shove It" could lend itself to Marxist interpretations of the workers rising up against management, I suppose.

j.lu (j.lu), Monday, 25 November 2002 20:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Aesthetically progressive: Jon Wayne (the band, not the actor); Country Teasers; Ween.

Paul Remak, Monday, 25 November 2002 20:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Aesthetically liberal: Jon Wayne (the band, not the actor); Country Teasers; Ween.

Paul Remak, Monday, 25 November 2002 20:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Aesthetically liberal/progressive: Jon Wayne (the band, not the actor); Country Teasers; Ween.

Paul Remak, Monday, 25 November 2002 20:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Whoops. Pressing stop key doesn't stop the message from being posted, apparently. I'm so embarrassed, my train of thought is showing...

Paul Remak, Monday, 25 November 2002 20:33 (twenty-three years ago)


i think there's two sides to the story.

on one hand:

outlaw culture
populism of the little man against the company or govt rule
the freedom of the range

on the other hand:

manliness is almighty (in older stuff... now a woman can be tough too)
gospel trappings
old timey conservatism of the musical form
the good ole way

m.

msp, Monday, 25 November 2002 21:05 (twenty-three years ago)

You people wouldn't know country if it bit you in the ass.

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 25 November 2002 21:09 (twenty-three years ago)

*gets bit in the ass by country*

OUCH! STOP THAT, PATSY!

hstencil, Monday, 25 November 2002 21:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Lots of Country has a populist message, and I'd certainly consider Willie Nelson's politics to be left of center. But for every Willie there's about 10 Lee Greenwoods.

Dave Beckhouse (Dave Beckhouse), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 00:32 (twenty-three years ago)

where would you put a cranky libertarian-sort like Merle Haggard? (hint: "Okie from Muskogee" is a bit of a red herring) he'd not be out of place at an ACLU meeting, you know.

Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 00:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Um, Steve Earl(y)?

TMFTML (TMFTML), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 01:58 (twenty-three years ago)

*gets bit in the ass by country*
I'm still waiting for some close-minded jarhead to snarl: "Country? Country bites ass...!"

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 02:46 (twenty-three years ago)

he'd not be out of place at an ACLU meeting, you know.

Neither would Dick "Barney Fag" Armey or Bob "Impeach Clinton" Barr, apparently.

hstencil, Tuesday, 26 November 2002 15:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Much to the dismay of people who want him to remain a convenient punching bag for the knee-jerk faux left, Merle Haggard actually became a born again liberal long ago. The song "Okie from Muskogee" was discussed in the following terms during Haggard's March 2001 interview with the notorious right wing newspaper "The Onion":

O: How do you feel about being closely identified with the politics of "Okie From Muskogee" and "The Fightin' Side Of Me" now?

MH: Oh, I must have been an idiot. It's documentation of the uneducated that lived in America at the time, and I mirror that. I always have. Staying in touch with the working class... I've become self-educated since I wrote that song. (http://www.theonionavclub.com/avclub3709/avfeature_3709.html)

Read the rest of the article to read Haggard rail against Corporate Music, Corporate Whiskey, and the electoral manipulation that put G. Bush in the White House.

Fucking fascist.


Paul Remak, Tuesday, 26 November 2002 21:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Toby Keith vs. Steve Earle: who's more country?

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 21:46 (twenty-three years ago)

What's more country? Pushing a Ford vs. Driving a Chevy.

hstencil, Tuesday, 26 November 2002 22:30 (twenty-three years ago)

4 wheeling a surplus army jeep (repainted with a confederate flag) through the backwoods of Mississippi. Thats more country than either a ford or a chevy.

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 22:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Dude, that's Redneck. And yes, Virginia, there IS a difference.

It's been great, I gotta go.

hstencil, Tuesday, 26 November 2002 22:37 (twenty-three years ago)

What about the great Bobby Bare? I particularly admire his daring on 'Up Against The Wall Redneck Mothers'.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 30 November 2002 00:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Is Satan liberal? He's into fun, so he can't be a conservative. See, the connection lies in the fact that the Supersuckers did a kick-ass country-western tour a few months back, and they're all about Satan, so I guess that was a liberal country thingy, but then again, at the same time, they were touring with Jesse Dayton, who kicks ass as well, and he's all about taking country music back to before it was pre-fab pop crap + pedal steel guitar, isn't going backwards a conservative thing, even if barkwards really is the best direction? Confusing.

Best quote from Jesse Dayton that show, "If you don't like the direction that country has taken lately, pick up one of my albums in the back there. I swear on my life, you can't line-dance to a God damn song on it."

Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Saturday, 30 November 2002 03:16 (twenty-three years ago)

All the "cosmic cowboy" and Bob Wills revival stuff--Commander Cody, Doug Sahm, Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, Dan Hicks.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Saturday, 30 November 2002 03:38 (twenty-three years ago)

One of my work colleagues is called Bob Wills. He is in his 50s, and I was apparently the first person who had ever mentioned to him that there was another Bob Wills!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 30 November 2002 12:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Is Satan liberal? He's into fun, so he can't be a conservative.
I'd say he's whatever political alignment causes the most misery at any given moment.

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Monday, 2 December 2002 15:32 (twenty-three years ago)

i hope that mr. remak wasn't put off by my calling Merle Haggard a "cranky libertarian." i dunno whether i'd call him a "born-again liberal," but i was well aware of The Onion interview (and another he gave earlier for Salon), as well as his very tongue-in-cheek renditions of "Okie" lately.

long story short: i meant "cranky libertarian sort" as the highest compliment to Merle. shit, one of my heros -- Frank Zappa -- was also a "cranky libertarian sort," and God bless his memory for it too!

Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 3 December 2002 07:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree with you, cranky libertarian is a better description..."born again liberal" was overstating it a little. But I was using hyperbole to answer hstencil's equating of Merle to Dick Armey and Bob Barr. Which was just ignorant.

Paul Remak, Tuesday, 3 December 2002 15:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Dear Paul Remark,

My statement about Dick Armey and Bob Barr was not about equating them with Merle Haggard, but rather a statement on one of the leading news stories that day, namely that Armey and Barr are planning to do work for the ACLU after retiring from Congress. So, in closing, eat a dick, dick.

Love,

hstencil

hstencil, Tuesday, 3 December 2002 15:16 (twenty-three years ago)

1) Sorry. I thought you were saying "Merle Haggard not out of place at an ACLU meeting? This proves nothing. Barr and Armey wave the civil libertarian flag, and surely THEY aren't liberal." Thanks for clearing it up. My apologies.

2) I live in the country. What makes you think I read at all, let alone read these urban "news stories" to which you refer? Jeez.

Respectfully, P. Remak

Paul Remak, Tuesday, 3 December 2002 15:29 (twenty-three years ago)

That "urban news story" was on the front page of Yahoo! that day, Mr. Internet-Savvy.

hstencil, Tuesday, 3 December 2002 15:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I've heard some broad-minded folks in town talking about this "internet" thing, so don't call me unejicated. However, I do not own one personally. I post these messages by carrier mule.

I am familiar with the valediction "Yahoo". We use it all the time in these parts.

Yahoo,
P.

Paul Remak, Tuesday, 3 December 2002 15:34 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
So I know about Willie, Steve Earle, the Chix, and maybe Merle. But what other country artists are left-leaning or at least not necessarily Republicans? I'm especially interested in mainstream people. Garth? Shania? Dwight? Can anyone tell me anything about John Anderson's politics?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 23:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Chris Knight's stuff is great,
very "working man gets screwed,"
very Bruce Springsteen

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 23:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Johnny Cash could be called progressive/prog. populist - the prisoner's rights, American Indian rights, anti-Vietnam, supposedly anti-Iraq (though I've never seen that confirmed), mixed with the religion thing.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 25 December 2003 00:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm interested in people who are alive. Maria McKee? Trisha Yearwood? Rodney Crowell? Radney Foster? Ricky Skaggs? Marty Stuart? Alan Jackson?!

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 25 December 2003 00:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Townes Van Zandt was definitely on the liberal side of the fence.

Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Thursday, 25 December 2003 03:38 (twenty-two years ago)

gabbneb no one is
going to come out and do
I'M SO LEFT-WING songs

it's more bit by bit,
song by song, issue-centric
than artist-driven

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 25 December 2003 04:14 (twenty-two years ago)

dale watson is left-wing but i guess he's sort of marginally commerically speaking.

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 25 December 2003 15:09 (twenty-two years ago)

gabbneb no one is
going to come out and do
I'M SO LEFT-WING songs

Yes, I understand that (though that's pretty much what the Dixie Chicks did). Though what I'm really wondering may betray even more naive expectations - whether any mainstream country stars who are not the Dixie Chicks can be convinced to speak out against Bush or for a Dem candidate, or do so implicitly by allowing their songs to be used by a Dem or by performing at a fundraiser/rally/convention.

But that specific interest follows from a more general fanboyish question, which is whether:

a) any well-known, preferably "mainstream", country artists, regardless of their subject-matter, have admitted to moderate to left politics in interviews or conversations with fans

or

b) any ILMers believe that a given country artist, whose politics are unknown/unstated, nevertheless appears to be moderate or left-leaning based upon their lyrics/attitude/bio/personal life. I listed some possibilities above.

The question is partly inspired by Xgau's Garth reviews, where he suggests that Brooks is a secret liberal of sorts.

I'm assuming that most mainstream country stars are right-leaning if they are political at all. Or that whatever politics they have are almost exclusively cultural. And that if they are moderate to left-wing, they generally have an interest in keeping their politics on the d.l. But I wonder if we're due for a change in this area, given the increasing political polarization of the country.

Am I expecting more from country stars or their audience than I am from other musicians? I don't see anyone clamoring to know about Ludacris' politics, or Nickelback's. Maybe there's something inherently political about country or traditionalism? Or that people who play "American" musics can be expected to have politics of some sort? See also heartland rock. Bob Seger evidently voted for Reagan in 84 and performed for Dukakis in 88. I think his music was used on the campaign trail by Bush in 2000, and he's now championed by Kid Rock, a Bush supporter, but does he like Bush? John Mellencamp, among others, was used by Bush in 2000 until he complained, and is now used by Edwards. Is winning the votes or the tacit approval of these artists very important to winning their constituencies? Do these artists express a distinctive political worldview even if their lyrics are not necessarily 'political'?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 25 December 2003 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Kris Kristofferson?

dave q, Thursday, 25 December 2003 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

fourteen years pass...

we should get this going again, and possibly include lesser known acts

F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 02:25 (eight years ago)

yeah this squares very nicely with the post-miranda lambert and post-tswift cliques, and i'm sure there are some other examples i'm totally unaware of

austinb, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 02:37 (eight years ago)

how long will it be before someone mentions kacey musgraves whoops there i said it

josh az (2011nostalgia), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 02:50 (eight years ago)


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