James Brown

Of course, everything else is essential as well.

The Payback
Sex Machine
There it is
Hot Pants

And in time (like three weeks later): Hell, Reality, In The Jungle Groove,

and then, Slaughter's Big Rip Off, Revolution of the Mind,

Ballads and Duets are great if a bit mixed and I picked them up for 4 euros each recently - well worth it at that price. Appolo stuff is also pretty classic.

I personally would prob'ly recommend the Live at the Apollo albums first, as they have such a great tight rowdy vibe to 'em.

In the Jungle Groove does indeed get almost entirely duplicated by the other things on Matos's list, but it's VERY listenable as a thing-in-itself.

Star Time, Star Time, Star Time, people. Life is much too short to deny yourself that kind of pleasure.

My fave track is 'There Was a Time' ... incredible ... dunno which album it is on tho'

Yours
Jan

Ehm, the third...

One of these days I will actually listen to this all the way through again for the hell of it. But the third disc works far too well on its own. ;-)

I think that James Brown and Leroy Finkelstein are perhaps the two greatest influences on music today.

Weird Al...ok

perhaps, Kevin John Bozelka, perhaps

I think you're at least half correct.

i'm having a james brown monday. spotify has everything. i've got a 500 track playlist queued up. 9 of the singles comps, live at the apollo 1967, james brown's funky divas, funky good time, in the jungle groove, love power peace live at the olympia, make it funky/the big payback 1971-1975, say it live and loud dallas 1968, live at the apollo 2.

HIT ME

Love Power Peace is huge.

keep an eye out for any JBs records

yeah. i have 'food for thought.' just listened to 'funky good time' all the way through, it's sick.

jb live is something else though.

can i just

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PKpQwQ4ZGQ

^^THIS IS A BIG DEAL

lol at bored horn section

Abercrombie and Fitch | Hot Boy Shower Kiss | Give it up or turn it loose | James Brown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brdFtc4V4LI

hmm.
anyone read the new bio?
http://soul-sides.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/802775.jpg
words like "definitive" being thrown around.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/08/books/the-one-james-brown-biography-by-r-j-smith.html?_r=1

Just became aware of it this morning and downloaded the beginning, seems pretty good so far. That and the Wrecking Crew book.

Think I went to a party or two at RJ's place back in the late eighties, when he lived in Cobble Hill.

Here is Matos's review http://www.avclub.com/articles/rj-smith-the-one-the-life-and-music-of-james-brown,71231/

Read a few chapters last night and this morning. Lots of great detail, about how he met Bobby Byrd, about what he learned from Little Richard and his band, about Syd Nathan and King Records.

Oh yeah, read the Jonathan Franzen piece the day before that, which was amazing

OK, this is really great. Don't know what I'm going to do when it's over, read the recent Little Willie John bio I guess

Just got this, can't wait to dig into it.

Didn't RJ Smith do a presentation at EMP on this book? Did anyone see it? I used to love most of his writing in the Village Voice way back when

Maybe we can dig through the EMP
thread to see if it's mentioned

Just got up to the "Rumble in the Jungle"

In addition to its other virtues, this is a good book to read around the holidays, since if you have any control freaks in your life it will give you new insight

Finished this. On to the Little Willie John book. Just reading the list of people interviewed is making hairs stand up on back of neck.

got this from the library -- great so far!

Probably going to be nitpickers who will say he didn't mention so and so or that Franzen Lethem was more concise, but as far as trying to tell the whole story in a reasonable number of pages and hitting all the right notes it is kind of a model

I'm halfway through it on the Kindle. My favorite part so far is when James Brown is trying to lecture/scold Bootsy Collins, but Bootsy is just rolling on the floor giggling because he's out of his mind on acid. I wonder if he was thinking to himself, "I'm getting too old for this shit"!

Catfish and Bootsy weren't bothered about Brown's fines, and they'd scamper off before he could make them rehearse during time between gigs. It's a testament to their talent that Brown didn't fire them immediately!

I had always heard that that was the incident that got Bootsy fired, but apparently that is not the case.

I thought it was the "walking offstage in the middle of a show because he thought his bass guitar had turned into a snake" that got him fired

eager to read this, obvy

Yeah, exactly. That is what led to the reprimand But he didn't get fired, at the end JB finally said "Get this fool out of here" and that was that.

One of the points he makes is that Bootsy and Catfish were given a longer leash partly, I think, because they were young and didn't have any families to support and so didn't care as much.

Yep. But Bootsy was not fired for a while after the incident. It was something like the band giving him an ultimatum and everyone getting fired. I just read it yesterday and am already hazy. On the train I was reading about his actively campaigning for Nixon. So crazy, but the book gives greater insight into his thinking at the time than some of his closest colleagues at the time were privy to. A great read.

Bootsy and the Cincinnati crew lasted almost exactly a year. They finally quit when they were supposed to play the Copa in New York, either because they didn't like that the gig and therefore the pay was cut in half or because Bootsy didn't want to wear a tie.

One great story is that young Bootsy had been playing a cheap green guitar strung as a bass but right before the first tour JB told him "Son, I love what you're doing with that bass but- You can't come in here with that" and bought him a new instrument.

https://www.aetv.com/shows/james-brown-say-it-loud

I watched first ep last night on my phone through cable provider. Hopefully will watch rest soon. Ads are slightly annoying though.

Yeah they said they're only unlocking ep1, I'll check it out though. Tbh I'm only really interested in watching through the '70s peak.

Some of the live music clips feel a bit short.

I'm sure it will just frustrate me that the full footage presumably exists but is not available :(

And I am a fan of LL Cool J, and I get having he and Chuck D represent for rap, but sometimes he just offers enthusiasm in his interview clips in this more than knowledge. Sometimes this works as a counterpoint to more staid professors who are interviewed, but sometimes it does not.

I wonder if Brown's family who are involved in the making of this, didn't like RJ Smith's book. He is not in the portions of doc I have watched. Alan Leeds and an older white reporter from Georgia whose name I don't recall are interviewed in this a fair amount. Mick Jagger a bit . Christian Mcbride seems to be the current jazz rep in this.

Questlove is in it too

Isn't Questlove one of the producers? I thought I remember him mentioning on his podcast that he & Black Thought were some of the main movers behind this.

Christian McBride makes sense as he's Questlove's school days buddy and a certified JB obsessive.

Executive Producers Mick Jagger and Ahmir “Questlove” Thompson iirc.

McBride was actually in Brown's band at one point (or at least backed him at a single concert; I forget the story).

I think it was one concert, he tells the story of being in Brown's orbit here (1:11):

https://app.podscribe.ai/episode/83381179

Just because I recently re-discovered it and can't see it in the thread...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ4ztL7dBKE

(James Brown, Live in Rome March 1971)

always fascinating

I thought I had watched all the '71 Euro tour footage out there but don't remember seeing this before. It purports to be the actual Love Power Peace show, but it's not. Still incredible of course, it's cool to see how different the shows were.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FkVyVByk8w

This one too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIvrfWGGSwU

Seeing the Live in Rome reference has me thinking about the James Brown with Pavarotti collaboration in Rome excerpt that is in that recent James Brown doc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8EcY3aXd54

what a day at the market

Mama come here quick...

yeah great find Budo. The man still brought it even when it was a free concert in a flea market parking lot at the nadir of his career.

co-sign, this rules, thank you

wow, amazing to feel so up close to the action there.

There's some backstory in the comments: This concert was a tie-in to the Grand Opening of the market, and the venue had not cleared filming the show with JB's people, so the cameraman was forced off the stage after he went offstage for a costume change--explaining the incompleteness of the uploaded tape.

do you think this was Jaki Liebezeit's favorite record?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP1wtIfs8lg
James Brown - I Can't Stand Myself (When You Touch Me) (Parts 1&2)

Yes, probably

yes!! the second half of that is a really good reason why everyone who has Star TIme also needs Foundations of Funk

Holy shit, why did it take me so long to hear the live album from Paris in 1971, Love Power Peace. An absolute powerhouse. Maybe controversial, but this is probably better than the Apollo set.

It's one of the best albums of all time, and certainly one of the very best live albums ever.

Absolutely rearranged my brain when I first heard it, I’ve listened to it way more often than Apollo

Getting a cheap CD of it was one of my major WOOHOO purchases last year.

It is so good. I understand the accolades for Apollo for sure, but like... this one is just sitting there quietly, waiting to be discovered and it is front to back amazing!

Oh. My. Goodness. Was not aware of this. Whoah nelly Mr. Brown is not messing around here.

I read two books about Brown recently (RJ Smith's and James McBride's) and wrote about them, and him.

I really enjoyed the 1969 Augusta show released as Live At Home With His Bad Self, which was the basis for some of the quasi-live album Sex Machine, but I'd say the original live recording is a more satisfying listen.

Tbh I was never that into Apollo, it's just a bit too early for me. The early 70s is when his modern funk style really hits for me, and this just happens to be the best document out of countless (I'm sure) incendiary shows. The Collins bros are on board, there's extra horns, the recording is incredible. The only possible flaw is that it's in a non-Clyde period of the band.

If you search around on youtube there's some footage from this tour, mostly Italian shows (sometimes short tv sets, but at least one full show with less than great sound).

Thanks for the tip, I'll definitely seek these out.

I bought Live At Home With His Bad Self a while ago but I don't know if I've ever listened to it front to back. I should fix that.

some tape noise but wonderful document
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utiGh3HHG4c

Shout out to Say It Live and Loud: Live in Dallas 08.26.68, but I've driven so many miles to Love Power Peace. When you absolutely, positively need to get somewhere

Ha, 100%.

The only equivalent to the sheer juice I get from this album is NOLA brass band records/videos.

Heard "Mind Power" on the radio this afternoon. I don't know. Sometimes when it hits you out of the blue like that, when you're not expecting it, the power is just overwhelming. Just like pure ecstasy music

The bass drum dynamics on that track >>>>>

Seeing reports on Facebook that dc area based drummer Robert Mousey Thompson just passed away . Thompson is best known for drumming with James Brown in Brown’s later years

In 2014 he was interviewed about those years

https://www.drummersresource.com/robert-mousey-thompson-interview/

I know 60s James Brown very well, but had not listened to his 70s albums. Every one I've heard now seems pretty great. Take a Look at Those Cakes is really good, especially Spring. Like if Aaron Copeland and James Brown did a disco track.

I'm a late 60s/70s JB fan, but the 80s stuff is fun. I'll listen to that podcast because I'll listen to anyone talk about playing with him.

His great run ends or at least weakens heavily in about 1975 when he takes on disco influences. I think he is much better at heavy, hard funk.

Funny, just listened to a little Questlove podcast where he's talking about the mustache era. Basically he's says that obviously the pre-disco era are the world-changing classics, but for the true head who's rinsed all that material, there are joys to be found in the later stuff. Because he's always totally committed, so it's either great or terrible in an entertaining way (I agree with this take, and you still get a lot of classic JBs members through the early 80s).

Btw I was reading an ilxor's book, and I gotta take issue with this - I often see the fact that he had two drummers mentioned as contributing to his sound (and the intricate interlocking grooves), and that's just not true as far as I can tell.

There's only one drummer playing at a time, live or studio (sometimes the second drummer will pick up a tambourine live, that's it). From everything I've heard, it was mostly an insurance policy - if you mess up in any way or leave the band, we've got your replacement right on stage. Maybe it was also a way to train up newer members, or to switch mid-set to keep the energy up (I've seen footage where they switch off on tunes). If I've ever seen them both playing at the same time (rare if ever?), it's the same pattern.

Take a Look at Those Cakes is hilarious, cringe, and awesome all at the same time.

I went to a record show this weekend and picked up a few 70s LPs, including Hell and Slaughter's Big Rip-Off.