pharaoh sanders - which is his best chicken burger?

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i heard "jewels of thought" playing in a store last week and had to buy it there and then - is there anything else he has done which is as bonkers as this that i should know about?

bob snoom, Tuesday, 26 November 2002 11:56 (twenty-three years ago)

i like prince of peace, but, be warned, it has yodelling

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 11:58 (twenty-three years ago)

his solo on coltrane's last concert is a must.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 12:08 (twenty-three years ago)

You MUST get "Izipho-Zam" on Strata-East. This has a much shorter version of "Prince Of Peace" but the other two long workouts, "Balance" and the title track, are completely mentalist. Sonny Sharrock on guitar, Howard Johnson on tuba, Lonnie Liston Smith, Sirone, tons of percussionists, Leon Thomas on vocals, etc. etc.

Recorded the same time as "Karma" (Impulse) which mostly comprises "The Creator Has A Master Plan." No Sharrock but similarly large rhythm section. Fantastic and orgasmic.

"Tauhid" (Impulse, 1966) does have Sharrock and is slightly more restrained but equally noisy when it desires to be.

The first self-titled album on ESP has OK playing by him but the rest of the band is a bit of a dud.

Any of his stuff with Coltrane is vital - if only to see him run off with the ball and leaving Coltrane standing, as it were - from Ascension onwards. For a drop of the hard stuff, check out Live In Seattle (2CDs) or the 4CD Live In Japan set.

What else? He is good but relatively restrained on his two albums with Don Cherry - "Where Is Brooklyn" and "Symphony for Improvisors." His solo on "Preview" by Mike Mantler/Jazz Composer's Orchestra is three minutes of white-heat puncta.

After '69 he mellows a bit. "Deaf Dumb Blind" and "Thembi" are maybe more approachable for the Sanders beginner (if less fiery), but you need to have "Black Unity" (Impulse, 1971) with Carlos Garnett, Hannibal Marvin Peterson and others. 20 minutes of screeching followed by 20 minutes of proto-ambient Fourth World beats. Phenomenal.

Leon Thomas' vocals, by the way, were a direct influence on Tim Buckley post-'68.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 26 November 2002 12:09 (twenty-three years ago)

that leon thomas vocal always reminds me of 'boom boom boom' by the outhere brothers

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 12:12 (twenty-three years ago)

black unity's the one.

(i saw him on new year's eve last year; phenomenal.)

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 14:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Definitely go for BLACK UNITY. Incredible, intense stuff. Pick up everything mentioned above. Anyone know how his later stuff is? I see his later albums around a lot, but I'm always skeptical about picking it up.

Jeff Sumner, Tuesday, 26 November 2002 22:55 (twenty-three years ago)


I have to put in my vote for Thembi and Tauhid. Definitely NOT as fierce as Karma but they have the more lovely and extented sections of deep astral drift. I actually enjoy Lonnie Liston Smith, though, so feel free to consider my vote suspect.

The Alice Coltrane recs. w/ Pharoah are uniformly killer, I particularly enjoy Ptah the El-Daoud.

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 23:47 (twenty-three years ago)

i second and third the Alice Coltrane records. "Journey in Satchidananda" is one of my top 3 records of all time.

everything he recorded for impulse is worth getting. there are three albums that haven't been reissued on cd that i rather like. "Wisdom Through Music" and "Village of the Pharoahs" are nice, more vocal / world oriented than free jazz, but still very beautiful. "Live at the East" is ok. nothing special.

i found The Latin Jazz Quintet Featuring Pharoah Sanders from 81 that i question if he's even on there. no firey playing whatsoever.

if you like Leon Thomas' voice (which i LOVE) check out his solo albums on Flying Dutchman. they've all been re-released. they play some of the songs on the Impulse albums. some tracks are a bit more soul oriented, but still nice and spiritual. Pharoah even guests on a few tracks under the psudonym Little Rock (where he's from in Arkansas)

and for more recent stuff, check out Sonny Sharrock's "Ask the Ages" from 91and "Spirits" from Pharoah, Hamid Drake and Adam Rudolph. very beautiful albums.

JasonD (JasonD), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 02:47 (twenty-three years ago)

"creator has a master plan" from the "karma" lp and "goin to africa" from the "heart is a melody" lp are great. adjectives like "spirited" don't even begin to describe the vocals on either of them. i wish that all them free-jazz types sang more, because it is something to behold. the saxophone playing isn't too shabby either. (i think "heart is a melody" qualifies as a "later lp")

voss, Wednesday, 27 November 2002 07:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Haven't got loads by him, but apart from the J Coltrane stuff I love "Karma" and the A Coltrane record "Journey in Satchidananda" as mentioned above.

Saw him at the Jazz Cafe a few years ago and was particularly impressed by his bowl solo. (Holding up a resonating bowl to the mic and just letting it ring. Sounded great.)

James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 10:37 (twenty-three years ago)

'karma' is great. have always meant to search out more of his stuff...

sxxx

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 14:59 (twenty-three years ago)

"The Creator Has a Master Plan" is one of the most moving pieces of music I've heard in my lifetime, and is something I would recommend to ANYONE.

I got to see Pharaoh Sanders live a few years back, and even in his ripe old age he pulled out some monster performances. In terms of musicians tapping into powerful spiritual elements, there are few with more passion and power than Pharaoh.

nickalicious, Wednesday, 27 November 2002 15:05 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm just waiting for our new friend Jamie Thompson to call us all silly people and to ask when Pharaoh will go back to playing melodious saxophone tunes like Take The A Train or Zambesi.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 27 November 2002 15:25 (twenty-three years ago)

i knew this'd be a snoom thread! don't go changing

bob zemko (bob), Thursday, 28 November 2002 13:33 (twenty-three years ago)

also i hate how the first thing i thought of was that AWFUL 23 skidoo record

bob zemko (bob), Thursday, 28 November 2002 13:35 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
"i found The Latin Jazz Quintet Featuring Pharoah Sanders from 81 that i question if he's even on there. no firey playing whatsoever."

bullshit! anyone else heard this and care to comment? rethread?

thomas de'aguirre (biteylove), Saturday, 31 January 2004 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Live At The East was reissued in 2003 and is worth picking up. The same band as on Black Unity. Also, I know from previous ILM discussions that Izipho Zam, my personal favorite Sanders album (it's the tuba!), is consistently available on CD in the UK, but it just got reissued on disc in the US, so any Americans out there, go grab it.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 31 January 2004 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

woah, funny to see this thread now, as I was just borking around to Black Unity, which is just about the finest groove-jazz albums around!

He had quite a few good ones for Impulse, and of course "Meditations" with Trane's a fine carpooling album as well. Alice Coltrane & Pharoah Sanders - The Elements is another great one for the more grooving stuff

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Saturday, 31 January 2004 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah Thomas, Jason is pretty much on the mark. I used to own that with the Latin Jazz Quintet album some years ago. I sold it because it was so uninvolving, just really generic latin jazz. If Pharoah wasn't listed in the title, you'd have no idea he was on the record (assuming he indeed is). Also, this seems to be one of those dodgy sessions that floats around and gets repackaged and released by dodgy fly-by-night labels looking to cash-in on the Sanders name. Probably just something he did early on to pay a few bills. I've seen a few different editions of it; I can't even remember what label the copy I had was on. But: crappy packaging, no sleevenotes, no session information, etc.

Avoid. Buy a Machito album instead.

Broheems (diamond), Saturday, 31 January 2004 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

seven months pass...
He is so great.

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 05:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Aslo, what happened to Bob Snoom? He was great.

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 05:49 (twenty-one years ago)

he posted last week adam.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 10:41 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
Since Pharoah is spelled wrong in the title, I had to find this by searching on "Chicken Burger." I borrowed Pharoah Sanders Live (Evidence, 2003) and I've been enjoying the first five minutes of it. I kind of had it in the background and I suddenly realized I hadn't jumped up and said, "I just don't really like jazz" after a couple minutes and taken it off. I think I'm in the mood after listening to parts of this year's Spanish Harlem Orchestra album and starting to feel more strongly that there is still something lacking there, but I'm not sure what (though at least the new one has some songs that genuinely make me want to get up and dance).

I guess this is Live at the East. (See thread above.)

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 01:45 (twenty-one years ago)


Since Pharoah is spelled wrong in the title, I had to find this by searching on "Chicken Burger."

Geez, what would the odds of THAT be?

Pangolino (ricki spaghetti), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 05:09 (twenty-one years ago)

it's been two years, and i think i've revised my rankings

izipho zam > tauhid > thembi = deaf dumb blind

(from most jaw-droppingly astounding to merely fantastic)

izipho zam is just MASSIVE, people

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 06:38 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd say all four of those albums are totally essential if you have even a passing interest in soul jazz / fire music / etc

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 06:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Pangolino, I had seen this thread already and remembered the odd title, so that really is how I pulled it up.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

"Tauhid" is good. There was one a few years back that Laswell produced, "Return to Home" or something like that. Typical Laswell world-music tofu burger or something, not bad. I'm pretty much over this kind of saxophone playing--even 'Trane is less interesting to me these days than Coleman Hawkins or Art Pepper or Lester Young, and of course Coltrane is great.

But PS is great on that other Laswell chicken-fried steak with green-tea-infusion chaser, Sonny Sharrock's classic, classic "Ask the Ages" (which has been discussed by others including me on another thread or two).

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

"Izipho Zam" used to be available for £2.99 in Selectadisc - which is where I got my copy. That information is of no use at all if you don't live in London.

My Son Calls Another Man Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Pangolino, I had seen this thread already and remembered the odd title, so that really is how I pulled it up.
-- Rockist_Scientist (oumtransmission...), November 17th, 2004.

I was just kidding, but slightly jealous because I've typed in nearly the whole frozen-foods section into the search engine and have yet to come up with a thread about Giorgio Gaslini.

Pangolino again, Wednesday, 17 November 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

seventeen years pass...

that leon thomas vocal always reminds me of 'boom boom boom' by the outhere brothers

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