This is the thread where people name 3 artists they consider "punk"

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and if you want you can explain why you think so. Or else you can just post bands. Or else you can explain why someone else's picks are totally non-punk. In other words, ILM biz as usual.

― webcrack (music=crack), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 02:35 (twenty-three years ago)

28086

Dr. Pain

The Goat-Boy

Explanation: oh, it's all pretty clear, really.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 02:36 (twenty-three years ago)

1) avril

2) fucking

3) lavigne

― s trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 02:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Jerry Lee Lewis--the original punk.

― j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 02:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, I guess you could say that it goes against tradition to be openly banging your 13-year-old cousin. Not to denigrate JLL's music of course.

I had to ask because of the avril thread, it just set me to wondering what punk really is anymore anyway, and I think it has so many sub-genres these days it's hard to tell, especially when many of aforementioned sub-genres have dedicated defenders of the faith jealously guarding their true religion.

I grew up thinking punk bands were all like Black Flag.
When I got a little older and experienced more music I began to think more along the lines of Richard Hell and the Voidoids when I thought of punk.
Now I think punk has been effectively co-opted as a new pop sub-genre by bands like Pretty Girls Make Graves.

Each one is punk to me, in their own respective ways.

― webcrack (music=crack), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 02:57 (twenty-three years ago)

1) Tiny Tim
2) Wanda Jackson
3) Ethel Merman

― Arthur (Arthur), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 03:42 (twenty-three years ago)

- Arab on Radar
- Merzbow
- Rainer Maria

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 03:53 (twenty-three years ago)

1. Jonathan Richman
2. G.G. Allin

All the others are pretenders.

― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 04:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Allright. When it comes to punk I've always really hated big stupid neon mohawks and bondage pants and denim vests covered in studs and patches.
So my top punk bands that have successfully avoided this and rock out to the max no holds barred are as follows:

3. Rye Coalition. And they're from Jersy City, so bonus, right?

2. Black Flag. They got no respect when they formed because all the punkers were too busy pogoing in their bondage pants to Britpunk knockoffs. 4/5 (depending what era) guys in jeans and tshirts that they had been wearing for 3 weeks rocking out in their own way no matter what anyone thought. Did I make an AWK connection? Wait, no, the Flag never did video game/beer/Target commercials.

1. Fear. Because really, isn't the primary part of being punk loving beer and hating everything/everyone else?

― Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 04:28 (twenty-three years ago)

the monks
the other monks
the monkees

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 04:30 (twenty-three years ago)

The Monks do kick ass, nice job, Fritz.

― Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 05:36 (twenty-three years ago)

1. The Clash
2. The Sex Pistols
3. Rancid

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 05:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Sterling,
You own a pair of plaid pants and a bunch of hairdye, don't you.

Sterling, I'm sorry for being a dick. I'm drunk. You're OK in my book, the Rancid song on Chef Aid kicks ass.

― Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 06:04 (twenty-three years ago)

1. Wire
2. Buzzcocks
3. The Man in Black

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 06:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Franz Liszt
Jerry Lee Lewis
El Vez

― paul cox (paul cox), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 06:09 (twenty-three years ago)

~~El Vez~~ Luciano Pavarotti

― paul cox (paul cox), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 06:16 (twenty-three years ago)

okay, fine.

1. Britney
2. Public Enemy
3. The Clash

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 06:17 (twenty-three years ago)

My friends and I have composed a hypothesis that all the P.E. songs that Chuck D. raps on were written by Flava and vice versa. Thus, Chuck D. wrote "Flava Flav Cold Lampin" and Flavor Flav wrote "Night of the Living Baseheads" et all. I think that's pretty funny, but then again, I am a dork.

― Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 06:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Gang of Four -- really actually confrontational! seen 'em on "Urgggh: A Music War"? (actually some of you old fux0rz have probably seen 'em live ;-)

Disco Inferno -- dig the snottiness at the end of _DI Go Pop_ (the landlady episode)!

early Meat Puppets

― Clarke B (emily), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 07:36 (twenty-three years ago)

don't flava and chuck d both rap on most all public enemy songs?

― voss, Wednesday, 27 November 2002 07:37 (twenty-three years ago)

1. Jethro Tull
2. PIL
3. Avril

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 07:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Caravaggio, Stanley Spencer, Karel Appel.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 27 November 2002 08:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Six Finger Satellite (or La Machine, for that matter)
F.X. Randomiz
Alan Licht

― Andreu (andrew), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 08:08 (twenty-three years ago)

1. ODB
2. Nancy Sinatra
3. Ruins

Disco Inferno -- dig the snottiness at the end of _DI Go Pop_ (the landlady episode)!

Oooooooh burn! That's one of my favorite album closers ever.

― original bgm, Wednesday, 27 November 2002 08:18 (twenty-three years ago)

1. Jethro Tull
2. King Crimson
3. Emerson, Lake and Palmer

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 09:38 (twenty-three years ago)

In all my life, Suicide is the most punk thing I ever heard. So punk even the punks hated them! So punk they used synthesizers in stead of guitars! So punk Alan Vega sounds like a rockabilly in the afterlife!

― JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 09:57 (twenty-three years ago)

As a fashion, style lab sorta thing I don't like punk. Punk in terms of a fun approach to life I approve of. But, I can't think of anyone I think of as punk, except for maybe Kelly Osbourne.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 09:57 (twenty-three years ago)

1 peter hammill
2 damo suzuki
3 third world war

― N0RM4N PH4Y, Wednesday, 27 November 2002 11:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Susuma Yokota
Slint
Low

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 11:47 (twenty-three years ago)

1. dave q
2. so solid crew
3. avril lavigne

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 11:54 (twenty-three years ago)

\Punk\, n. [Cf. Spunk.] 1. Wood so decayed as to be dry, crumbly, and useful for tinder; touchwood.

2. A fungus (Polyporus fomentarius, etc.) sometimes dried for tinder; agaric.

3. An artificial tinder. See Amadou, and Spunk.

4. A prostitute; a strumpet. [Obsoles.] --Shak.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 11:58 (twenty-three years ago)

1. The Stooges
2. The Stooges
3. The Stooges

Apart from that, depends what you mean by punk.

I either picture UK, 1976, bondage trousers, in which case:
1. Pistols
2. Clash
3. Damned

or, dull-but-very-worthy, carried on long after everyone else had given up and gone home types:
1. Crass
2. The Exploited
3. Stiff Little Fingers

or, preferably, the American SST etc types who got the balance right:
1. The Minutemen
2. Husker Du
3. Black Flag

― James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 11:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Velvets
Stooges
PiL

― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 12:40 (twenty-three years ago)

1. pistols
2. eater (or was it the adverts?)
3. nothing else

no, WAIT!

1. Lee Hazlewood
2. Throbbing Gristle
3. P!NK

― Jeff W, Wednesday, 27 November 2002 12:48 (twenty-three years ago)

1) derek bailey
2)ascension
3)bryan adams

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 12:51 (twenty-three years ago)

1) N0rm4n Ph4y
2) Mark Sinker
3) and that's it!

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 13:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't believe you beat me to The Monks, Fritz!!!

Hmmm. Going by different definitions for punk, my list might look like this...

1. Operation Ivy
2. Crimpshrine
3. Dead Kennedies

Or this...

1. Tom Waits
2. Fishbone
3. Primus

The first list being bands that "sound" punk, the second list being musicians who do whatever the fuck they want no matter who says they can't, which I consider to be extremely "punk".

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 27 November 2002 14:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Ned: do you have any personal connection to the RYL?

i love the popist tendencies of 'the maid got laid'

― ddd, Wednesday, 27 November 2002 14:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Bukka White
Flipper
Pan Head

― scott n. (scott n.), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 15:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Ned: do you have any personal connection to the RYL?

Heh heh heh. I wasn't in the band but I'm good friends with one of the survivors. Check the AMG for my reviews of all the albums, scarily enough. ;-) How did you hear about 'em? "The Maid Got Laid" certainly is terse in its melodic form. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 18:28 (twenty-three years ago)

i am a proud owner of 'simon and garfunkle shoot salt up their wangs' which i aquired during a cd/tape label ordering frenzy.

― ddd, Wednesday, 27 November 2002 21:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Hurrah! :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 21:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Mogwai
GY!BE
Avril Lavigne

― Callum (Callum), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 21:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Punk as music:

The Sex Pistols

The Clash (up until 1979)

Black Flag

Fast, guitar-driven, agressive music that rarely goes over the three minutes limit. Can't be too tuneful (else it becomes Power Pop) or too horny (else it becomes Garage Rock.) This is the definition of Punk that I use in my reviews and it needn't have anything to do with Punk attitude (which I don't really care enough about to list someone for- I suppose Avril Lavinge would fit in nicely here, yes...N.W.A. and Bob Dylan too)

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 28 November 2002 00:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Dead Kennedies

Shellac

Public Enemy

Le Tigre

― meirion john lewis (mei), Thursday, 28 November 2002 12:24 (twenty-three years ago)

1. Subway Sect
2. Vic Godard
3. Vic Godard & the Subway Sect

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 28 November 2002 12:29 (twenty-three years ago)

1. Palatka - They got the political thing right, which 99% of every "punk" or "hardcore" ever fail(s/ed) to do.
2. This Bike Is A Pipe Bomb - the very model of a DIY pop band
3. Against Me! - amazing lyrics, great songs, and a vocalist whose voice perfectly suits the music

(there's way too much Florida worship in this post, so to balance that out...)

4. Sleepytime Trio
5. Lightning Bolt
6. Heroin

― Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 28 November 2002 18:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Six Finger Satellite (or La Machine, for that matter)

La Machine are playing tomorrow night! They're weird! And they're definitely punk--last time I saw them (on Halloween) most people hated them, and I thought they were mindblowing (I was stoned, though.. which may account for my inane interest in the guitar textures), and I thought it was hilarious how many people they pissed off.

Pleasurehorse is cool too, though electronic noise/destruction isn't really my thing most of the time... small doses.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 28 November 2002 18:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Every single artist in the history of recorded music, except for Avril Lavigne

― David Allen, Thursday, 28 November 2002 18:57 (twenty-three years ago)

-The Stooges
-The Ramones
-The Buzzcocks

Punk and bubblegum are really not that far apart...

― kate, Thursday, 28 November 2002 19:34 (twenty-three years ago)

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1. V/VM
2. Boredoms
3. Cassette Boy

― searchanddelete, Friday, 23 January 2004 01:11 (twenty-two years ago)

1. 666 mafia
2. abc
3. frankie knuckles

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 23 January 2004 01:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Bikini Kill
PiL
Crass

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 23 January 2004 01:40 (twenty-two years ago)

elvis presley
minutemen
modern lovers

― kephm, Friday, 23 January 2004 01:42 (twenty-two years ago)

What does it fuckin' matter? Why don't we all name Peter, Paul & Mary, John Denver and the bloody Lennon Sisters? Punks don't participate.

― jimwentworth (wench), Friday, 23 January 2004 07:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Randy Newman
Richard Thompson
Stevie Nicks

― Aaron A., Friday, 23 January 2004 07:48 (twenty-two years ago)

1. Beat Happening
2. Buzzcocks
3. Mecca Normal

― kevin erickson, Friday, 23 January 2004 08:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Punks don't participate.

Just what's that supposed to mean? You sound like Molly Ringwald in "The Breakfast Club"!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 23 January 2004 08:13 (twenty-two years ago)

y'know i really LOVED the fact that lindsey buckingham was (and is) such a punk fan. so def not stevie nicks (even though i wuv her dearly) but i vote for him.

― nathalie (nathalie), Friday, 23 January 2004 08:17 (twenty-two years ago)

harry pussy
acid mothers temple
the dead c

― Ian Johnson (orion), Friday, 23 January 2004 08:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Aphex Twin
Steve Albini
The Sex Pistols

― Stupid (Stupid), Friday, 23 January 2004 09:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Simple Plan (more confrontationally awful than any other popular band ever..and it's unintentional!)
Kid 606
The Locust

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 23 January 2004 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Pat Hare
Spade Cooley
Phil Spector

― Dock Miles (Dock Miles), Friday, 23 January 2004 13:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Chimney Factory
Small Cats of Europe
The DJ Mencap Ketamine Explosion

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 23 January 2004 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

me
your little sister
your mom

― Felcher (Felcher), Friday, 23 January 2004 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

nasenbluten
lil jon
dillinger 4

― juiceboxxx (juiceboxxx), Friday, 23 January 2004 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

-Fugazi
-Nirvana
-Lightning Bolt

― JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:44 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

-The Sex Pistols
-The Clash
-The Ramones

― Kandyce, Sunday, 29 February 2004 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

i was having an argument with a guy the other day about if Elvis Costello is punk or not.
What do you guys think?

― Dude (The Yellow Dart), Sunday, 29 February 2004 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)

chrome
throbbing gristle
the screamers

― Former Supposed So Called Nihilist Teenage Drug Disco Addiction Counselor (mjt), Sunday, 29 February 2004 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

elvis
the sonics
pil

― pete s, Sunday, 29 February 2004 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

i was having an argument with a guy the other day about if Elvis Costello is punk or not

Well he was certainly spawned and inspired by Punk Rock, but clearly tired of its stylistic limitations.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 29 February 2004 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

1. The Electric Eels
2. Lil' Kim
3. Sun City Girls

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 29 February 2004 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Mike Watt
Good Charlotte
Chris Kirkpatrick

― Al (sitcom), Sunday, 29 February 2004 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Chris De Burgh
Gary Glitter
Garth Brooks

― pete s, Sunday, 29 February 2004 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Stooges
Joy Division
Falco

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Sunday, 29 February 2004 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh Joy Division was totally punk before they became popular!!

― Aja (aja), Sunday, 29 February 2004 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, all the sweeping successes, world tours, and millions of sales kind of ruined their whole thing.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Sunday, 29 February 2004 20:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I like their song, I have no idea of the name, but when it starts, the first half is an instrumental. Then he starts singing. I can only remember him saying "I need it!"

You know the name of that song?

― Aja (aja), Sunday, 29 February 2004 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

It's their cover of Hazel O'Connor's "Who Needs It":

I need it like a hole in the head
Don't need it, don't need it
Here comes the era,
the era of the living dead

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Sunday, 29 February 2004 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

No.

I don't think so.

I believe it is on Substance.

― Aja (aja), Sunday, 29 February 2004 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Here we go.

"No Love Lost"

So long sitting here,
Didn't hear the warning.
Waiting for the tape to run.
We've been moving around in different situations,
Knowing that the time would come.
Just to see you torn apart,
Witness to your empty heart.
I need it.
I need it.
I need it.

Through the wire screen, the eyes of those standing outside looked in
at her as into the cage of some rare creature in a zoo.
In the hand of one of the assistants she saw the same instrument
which they had that morning inserted deep into her body. She shuddered
instinctively. No life at all in the house of dolls.
No love lost. No love lost.

You've been seeing things,
In darkness, not in learning,
Hoping that the truth will pass.
No life underground, wasting never changing,
Wishing that this day won't last.
To never see you show your age,
To watch until the beauty fades,
I need it.
I need it.
I need it.
So long sitting here,
Didn't hear the warning.
Waiting for the tape to run.
We've been moving around in different situations,
Knowing that the time would come.
Just to see you torn apart,
Witness to your empty heart.
I need it.
I need it.
I need it.

― Aja (aja), Sunday, 29 February 2004 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sorry, I just now realized you were serious.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Sunday, 29 February 2004 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Serious about what?

― Aja (aja), Sunday, 29 February 2004 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Please....no more lyrics.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 29 February 2004 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh deal with it!

Or, just don't read it.

― Aja (aja), Sunday, 29 February 2004 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

No, I'm asking you to stop.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 29 February 2004 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

What?

I posted lyrics to two songs in one day, you get all pissed.

You're not a dad yet! Heck, you're not even my dad, so why should I listen to you and follow the orders you give me.

And don't say that if I disobey you I dishonor the fire. That's totally not true. Jaz even said he's a "Child of folly / And I want my way"

Oh God Damn! I just posted more lyrics!

― Aja (aja), Sunday, 29 February 2004 21:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't "order" you, I asked you politely. And I'm not all pissed. When I'm "all pissed" you'll know it.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 29 February 2004 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Uh hu.

Yes you very polite person. I don't see the problem.

ILM.

I Love Music.

Lyrics to songs are part of music.

It's a way of life.

Did someone beat you and recite lyrics to a song while they hit you?

― Aja (aja), Sunday, 29 February 2004 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

"Stick hit the skin / I hit the stick"

"And the joy of pain / Satisfy me Satisfy!"

"Stick hit the skin / I hit the stick"

It's funny if you imagine Jaz getting in a fight with Fergurson. Hit with a drumstick. Ow!

― Aja (aja), Sunday, 29 February 2004 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

1. Propagandhi
2. The Ramonee
3. Bon Scott era AC/DC

― Speedy (Speedy Gonzalas), Sunday, 29 February 2004 21:36 (twenty-two years ago)

1. The SuicIdols

That's it.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 29 February 2004 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Ramonee?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 29 February 2004 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

"1. Fear. Because really, isn't the primary part of being punk loving beer and hating everything/everyone else?"

'The thing about Fear was that there was nothing to fear' (to paraphrase Joe Carducci 'cause I cannae remember the quote.

Television Personalities (only band IMO to successfully fuse punk & psychedelia)
Throbbing Gristle (no explanation neccessary)
Mission of Burma.

Obviously naming just three is v. hard.

― Sasha (sgh), Sunday, 29 February 2004 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Saint Etienne
Saint Etienne
Saint Etienne

― derrick (derrick), Monday, 1 March 2004 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Acid Mothers Temple
Neu!
Belle and Sebastian

― BICICLETA EMOCIONAL!!! (Jon Williams) (ex machina), Monday, 1 March 2004 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

Os Mutantes
Screamin' J Hawkins
N.W.A.

― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:40 (twenty-one years ago)

dan perry
rjg
the pinefox

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:42 (twenty-one years ago)

"Things sure have changed since we got kicked outta high school."

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

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