"Like Punk Never Happened"

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Does anybody have a copy of this book? I read it years ago (took it out of the library when I was like 11-12), loved it, and haven't seen it since. If anyone's got a spare or sees one, could you let me know? Thanks

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 02:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Dave Rimmer! And his wonderful history of the New Romantics specifically Culture Club. I picked up a copy of this randomly at a bookstore near UCLA, the only one left and looking forlorn, back in about 1990. Turns out he was not only a Smash Hits writer of those days, but the credits thank Neil Tennant as both editor and I believe cowriter.

*searches for copy*

*in Vivian voice* BASTARD!

I can't find it! I just hope to heck it's only misplaced. But I think it's a text that would go down well on ILX in its happy embrace of pop as all-consuming entity and so forth.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 03:09 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, it's a GREAT book, and absolutely ILM required reading. I don't have an eBay account, maybe I should....

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 03:26 (twenty-three years ago)

There ya go. ;-) And if you find two, let me know!

This definitely would be, I think, up the alley of folks like Tim, Jess, Sterling, Tom, Nathalie, Nicole, Ally, Nitsuh, etc. And might Mr. Sinker and Dr. C and all them have any thoughts on Rimmer as a writer, maybe?

Boy George okayed Rimmer to work on the book but ended up not letting himself be directly interviewed for it, and in his autobiography slips in a couple of dismissive shots at Rimmer and his work. Which is a pity seeing that aside from Rimmer's amusing prediction at the end of where the four band members would end up, it's such a wonderful take on pop and its mechanics. The chapter on the Japanese tour alone I think is some excellent writing, straight up.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 03:44 (twenty-three years ago)

I'll have to find that one. Recently though, 2 other books I've quite enjoyed are "Dance Of Days" and "American Hardcore"

American Hardcore is way less opinionized and takes on the whole country, like the Big Boys in TX and DK in San Fran, et. all.

Dance of Days is really good until the halfway point, where it turns into a giant suckle on Ian Mackaye's twig'n'berries.

Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 04:36 (twenty-three years ago)

it's great, but his book ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE EAST, abt travels in eastern europe b4 the fall of the wall, is BETTAH!!

rimmer is a nice man, also

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 09:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Abe books has it in stock (type Dave Rimmer), but look at number 11.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 10:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Shit, I saw it at a record fair last Saturday in Dublin for a few quid -- should have bought it. It was written in 1985 .

David Gunnip, Wednesday, 27 November 2002 12:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Read it so long ago I can't remember many of the specifics, but yeah, it's a great read--a bit cheeky in spots and really, really smart, with great stuff about fans as well as about bands. Kind of an '80s "new pop" version of Nik Cohn's Pop From the Beginning.

As a followup read, I'd suggest Chris Heath's first Pet Shop Boys bio, Literally, which is also really funny and smart and also concerns itself with much of the same stuff (and which I also haven't read in ages so can't be any more specific than that!).

s woods, Wednesday, 27 November 2002 14:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Also of Interest:
"Like Polka Never Happened" by 'Ace' Rimmer and Dave Lister, with extra material by Kryten the talking novelty condom.

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 14:40 (twenty-three years ago)

I've read both Literally and Pet Shop Boys vs. America, Scott; love 'em both. Chris Heath is a great, great writer--his Kylie cover in last December's (January's?) The Face is a classic, and I loved his Details stuff c. '92-'97.

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 18:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Seconding M. there on Heath and the PSB books, both of which I got recently on the NZ jaunt. Just great!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 18:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Thirded. If anyone's due the reverantial hardback anthology, Chris Heath is. His piece on the Spice Girls as they tried to break America is superb.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 18:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I like most of the Heath stuff I've read also. He doesn't strike me as a super-great stylist or anything, but as a reporter and interviewer he writes with the sort of empathetic voice you don't get in most pop profiles, and he has a great way with unusual details--I actually read his profile of 9" Nails (never a fave, to say the least) in *Details* with rapt attention.

I'd like to hear more about Rimmer's other book...also, to anyone's knowledge does he still do any pop writing?

s woods, Wednesday, 27 November 2002 18:21 (twenty-three years ago)

His piece on the Cure in a Details issue from 1992 is actually my fave article on one of my favorite bands -- it was personal without being fawning, really showed Robert S. in a very thoughtful light through and through. I still have that issue precisely for that reason (there's also some other great bits, like Bryan Ferry giving random fashion advice).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 18:24 (twenty-three years ago)

really showed Robert S. in a very thoughtful light...

I agree (in general, I mean, not necessarily about that piece which I don't remember if I've read), and I think that's the nail on the head about why he's good. Without coming across as a sycophant, he genuinely seems to enjoy focusing on what makes a particular performer successful or interesting or weird or whatever. He "exposes" people in the best way, kind of how a good photographer does.

s woods, Wednesday, 27 November 2002 18:33 (twenty-three years ago)

What an excellent comparison! Though of course a photographer can just as easily construct as well as 'expose' and those constructions can be just as fascinating (and revealing!) -- consider Pierre et Gilles and their work with their various celebrity models.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 18:40 (twenty-three years ago)

just seconding the love for 'like punk never happened' and 'literally'

both great

adam b (adam b), Thursday, 28 November 2002 17:47 (twenty-three years ago)


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