Goth will be the biggest thing in 2003

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The morning after Electroclash.

The electro-Goth revival is so ready to happen.

Discuss

― phil jones (interstar), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 23:13 (twenty-three years ago)

lets hope not.

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 23:16 (twenty-three years ago)

in yr dreams punk!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 23:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Nice, but doubtful. More bands should be like early Christian Death, though.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 23:34 (twenty-three years ago)

truly scary but i've a feeling he could be right.

christian death - ha ha ha ha!

― stirmonster, Wednesday, 27 November 2002 23:37 (twenty-three years ago)

O fie on you sir Christian Death was a totally great band all the way through "Ashes"

As to goth revival - Marilyn Manson pretty much hijacked every idea/trope Christian Death ever had/copped, so this revival's already happened, no?

― J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Thursday, 28 November 2002 00:47 (twenty-three years ago)

More bands should be like early Christian Death, though.

ned, i love you.

and rik agnew, too.

― your null fame (yournullfame), Thursday, 28 November 2002 00:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Rikk Agnew's guitar parts on the first album were absolute genius, I don't see how anyone who heard them could even argue the issue - no matter what you thought of Rozz. Utter brilliance, still sounds great RIGHT NOW.

― matt riedl (veal), Thursday, 28 November 2002 01:29 (twenty-three years ago)

electroclash could turn goth. it could also turn trance

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 28 November 2002 01:32 (twenty-three years ago)

goth trance = Cygnus X 'Orange Theme'

electrogoth = Front 242? Alien Sex Fiend?

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 28 November 2002 01:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Get these MP3s (I'd recomend soulseek / slsk.org)
BLACK STROBE - Innerstring
BLACK STROBE - Me & Madonna

― V., Thursday, 28 November 2002 10:55 (twenty-three years ago)

oop, i meant Front Line Assembly rather than Front 242 - tho they're both regarded as 'industrial' and i suppose the idea of electrogoth would be more along the lines of 'sunglasses at night' and the Black Strobe stuff - quirkier, introspective and a general feeling of 'spookyness'

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 28 November 2002 17:02 (twenty-three years ago)

You scoff. I *SO* see it happening...

― kate, Thursday, 28 November 2002 19:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I've heard enough ripping lo-fi trance/techno tracks with scuzzy vocals recently to say that Gareth's right. But I'm not sure he really meant it.

― nick.K (nick.K), Thursday, 28 November 2002 19:19 (twenty-three years ago)

good. i've had these fish nets and black eye liner lying around for years now, i'm glad i didn't throw them out.

― dyson (dyson), Thursday, 28 November 2002 19:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Random playings of Bela Lugosi's Dead at trendy nightclubs in the past few months: TWO.

Get them fishnets out, baby!

― kate, Thursday, 28 November 2002 19:57 (twenty-three years ago)

The Faint already tried this. Black lipstick will never be cool again.

― Chris Ott, Thursday, 28 November 2002 20:12 (twenty-three years ago)

The continuation of appropriating goth elements in styles that are far too cool and embarrassed to fully embrace goth will certainly continue to thrive, however.

― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 28 November 2002 22:48 (twenty-three years ago)

all the real trendstters just bought the new "my so-called life" DVD box set, and have purchased the reissue of "New miserable experience" with bonus tracks, as well as the complete workds of Buffalo Tom.
OR
they are listening to flowery late-80s pop like Go West.

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Thursday, 28 November 2002 22:55 (twenty-three years ago)

I tried the goth thing once, but then all those make-up and black clothes guys were like, "Damn it, Dan, stop making us listen to your fucking Danzig albums, that's metal, not goth." Then they put on something that sounded like the drag queen Divine singing a Madonnan song to a house beat with all types of "eerie" sounds. SO I put on some Slayer.

RAINING BLOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!

They didn't like that either. Then I put on the Browns game and they all got pissed off and went to Hot Topic or some other place that goths hang out.

I learned 5 other things that night:
1) Goths generally don't like the Misfits.
2) Goths generally don't want to play basketball.
3) Goth girls are generally a lot fatter than their boyfriends (this also works with dudes in the Army and their wifes).
4) Goths are generally in the range of people that Danzig could beat up, now that he's built like a 5'2" house.
5) Goth girls generally aren't amused if you ask them if they wanna do a keg stand.

― Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Thursday, 28 November 2002 23:01 (twenty-three years ago)

funnily enough helltime producto is right on four of those things. my own dalliances with goth were thus: doing acid with a goth girl whilst she made me listen to diamanda galas and skinny puppy's 'stella's home' - at that point, i freak out, where the goth girl is making peanut butter sandwiches for the both of us. i lose it at the sight of goth girl making peanut butter sandwiches. i mean, shouldnt it have involved blood and not peanut butter that night?

― doom-e, Thursday, 28 November 2002 23:07 (twenty-three years ago)

it has to be said, goth girls have a certain something.....

― stirmonster, Friday, 29 November 2002 00:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Electrocow! Chip & Tony Kinman to thread!

― Arthur (Arthur), Friday, 29 November 2002 00:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Howl, baby, howl...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 November 2002 05:39 (twenty-three years ago)

it has to be said, goth girls have a certain something.....

yes, dyed black pubic hair.

in non-electro modern goth, i really like the vanishing 10" on cochon. buncha chicks used to be in subtonix, and it sounds like early siouxsie or xmal deutschland circa their first single.

― your null fame (yournullfame), Friday, 29 November 2002 05:56 (twenty-three years ago)

I hope this is true! But didn't Kernkraft 400 start and finish electrogothclash already?

― Charlie (Charlie), Friday, 29 November 2002 06:46 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...

(looks at calendar)hmmmmmm
i can not wait for fresh versions of 'the first five minutes after a violent death' done by a bunch of glittery lip mime.

whats next the plasmatics box set?

― kephm, Saturday, 4 January 2003 02:26 (twenty-three years ago)

five months pass...

rises from the grave

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 12 June 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Bloody Evanescence.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 12 June 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Give into the deathpop.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

it has to be said, goth girls have a certain something.....

...chlamydia

― Mike Taylor (mjt), Friday, 13 June 2003 01:28 (twenty-two years ago)

yuk

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 13 June 2003 01:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Adult.'s last album isn't too far off -- certainly "Glue Your Eyelids Together" has that brittle, Siouxsie-circa-Kaleidoscope thing going on. Not that it's set the world on fire in the '03...

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Friday, 13 June 2003 01:44 (twenty-two years ago)

plenty of electroclash was goth as hell

see also the middle section of immer

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 June 2003 01:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Um... middle section of immer... Goth? How??

And is Electroclash over, then jess?

Most stuff on Gigolo though is Gothic - Miss Kittin and the Hacker noir-ish posturing, or Linda Lamb. Ghostly International horror-kitsch or Fischerspooner post-Glam make-up.

All my reformed Goth friends luv it.

― Michael Dieter, Friday, 13 June 2003 02:09 (twenty-two years ago)

electroclash is indeed over

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 13 June 2003 02:13 (twenty-two years ago)

You're probably right, you know.

Just for the record - I wonder what the definitive nail in the coffin was? Or the high point, I wonder?

To be honest, it wasn't much of a scene anyway...

― Michael Dieter, Friday, 13 June 2003 02:21 (twenty-two years ago)

high point was vitalic, surely.

i dunno, i really kinda liked electroclash *ducks*

mostly i'm thinking of the "perfect lovers" track on immer.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 June 2003 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

i reckon the miss kittin muzik CD was the last positive statement on e/c. it was always bound to eventually head in more gothy and more dancey directions anyway

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 13 June 2003 02:27 (twenty-two years ago)

i really liked most electroclash. i wouldn't call vitalic e/c though. no dispassionate female vocals for starters

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 13 June 2003 02:27 (twenty-two years ago)

all my fave electroclash was perhaps unsurprisingly the most pop

the cheapo ministry of sound this is tech pop cash in comp should have been in my top 10 last year

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 June 2003 02:28 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah i think a lot of people thought anything that came out on gigolos was electroclash
granted,most of it was,but the label existed before the term and people like jeff mills have released on it as well,his track on the tiga mix certainly isn't electroclash,i think the same would go for vitalic

― robin (robin), Friday, 13 June 2003 02:32 (twenty-two years ago)

what makes me sad is when the new chicks on speed album eventually comes out, no-one but me will care

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 13 June 2003 02:32 (twenty-two years ago)

It was a great IDEA for a scene that didn't really take off much.

I think that DJ HELL 2CD megamix started to ring alarm bells for me, then more recently the Goldfrapp/Madonna/Boomkat appropriations, or that track about the Prada dress, 'straight off the plane from LA?'

So lame

Yeah 'Perfect Lovers' - but that just as much fits into the whole German classicist/techno crossover thing that now and again gets referenced, as if a trajectory can be traced from Bach to Kompakt, or something...

― Michael Dieter, Friday, 13 June 2003 02:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the problem with electroclash is that while music and fashion often intersect and music often behaves like fashion, music doesn't usually rise and fall as quickly as fashion does. As far as everyone was concerned, electroclash nailed its flag to the fashion mast rather than the music mast, so it had, like, six months tops at the top. Which is a shame because there's so much that could be done with it, and indeed *is* being done with it, especially at its margins(Richard X, Ewan Pearson & Shuffletech, Sascha Funke, the Miss Kittin mix cd, Martini Bros, the new Goldfrapp album etc). It doesn't deserve such an early death.

Of course maybe I'm worked up because I saw the same dismissals being written about UK Garage yesterday by someone I respect and I was thinking "wrong you fuxor!!!!"

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 13 June 2003 04:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Electro and goth clashed already in 1999, with the XPQ-21 album "Destroy to Create" (with vocals by the Italian singer/techno producer Jeyênne). For example, the last track of that record is called "A Gothic Novel (Science Fiction)", and it sounds like a mix between goth rock, "Blue Monday", electro and "I Feel Love". Weird shit, but actually quite good.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:33 (twenty-two years ago)

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