Ol' Dirty Bastard: Classic or Dud?

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ODB: The ONLY black god responsible for the classic "I don't have no trouble with you fuckin me, but I have little problem with you not fuckin me" OR a ridiculous, talentless, screaming, lunatic cartoon who rhymes "fuckin me" with "not fuckin me"? Or both?

Discuss.

― Larms, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

RE: fine wimmin vs. nasty bitches - flawed analysis - the missus is kinda Adjani but eyes bucked a few mingers in mo' freak mode - has had classic moments,good fer laffs but overall DUD

― G.R.D. Bastard, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

shimmy shimmy ya

got yr money

"rappenins whats happenin"

classic...

― young' shaolin yorkshireboy (gareth), Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The line quoted in the question is enough to make ODB the most classic person who ever was. Got Your Money is just about the best song ever, which is saying quite a lot - do you know how many songs there have been? I'll tell you, a lot.

― Ally, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You're talking about Big Baby Jesus right? Gotta be both. I'm joining the Got Your Money Krewe... have any of you really heard him when he's goin "sing it... sing it girls!" he then takes a deep breath and "sing it right now!!" comes out like the consequences of not singing it right now will be gothic and painful. Disturbing.

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

He's still my favorite of the whole Wu-Tang collective -- reality may float around him, but damn, the results are worth it.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah, that's another bit I like of Got Your Money. "SING IT RIGHT NOW!!" He sounds like he's amazingly furious and irritated with the whole thing, it's the most amusing way of saying "Sing it girls!" I've ever heard in my life.

― Ally, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Just reading all these posts is making me smile here at work, where I can't even *think* about listening to ODB (or anything, really) without gothic and painful consequences.

― Larms, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

His recent Phil Collins Sussudio cover - definately too much of a good thing, (all icing, no cake) but I keep listening to it, so maybe that answers the question.

― K-reg, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Chris Morris Gangsta Rap Album, you mean :) ?

Classic, though not necessarily for the ideal reasons.

― Robin Carmody, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

a filthy genius pop musique concrete toddler sex god. the most utterly astonishingly classic of any classic or dud ever.

― ethan, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Rudimentary astrophysics. Jump up in the air then get down with it. Gave a walrus an enema with a pickled red herring. Got a sailor tattoo and I'm sea ferring. Laverne and Shirley got nothing on Potsy. He and Ralph Cramden were secretly nazis. Jump on a monkey and pop his little lungs. Why did we do it? Just for fun. Then the airborn fungus from a pidgeons droppings seep in my lungs and I start coughing. Nooooow, listen to the fission not to be confused with the fusion. Everybody knows this, but in conclusion, I just have to say: you never understood me and your grandfather's gay. A puddin'headed Scotsman with a gutful of worms decided one day, as his stomach churns, to grab a transmitter and show the whole world that his insides were bitter and he never had a girl.

I like ODB about that much.

― , Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Truly classic. Best line is "Bitch/You know I'm gonna take care of you/coz you say you got my baby/and I know it ain't true". Also his shoutouts to the army, navy, airforce, marines.

― Sterling Clover, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"rappenin is what's happenin" is one of the best lyrics of all time. and so is "god made dirt and dirt bust your ass!!"

if you don't agree . . . "you shut the fuck up, and you shut the fuck up! that's what the FUCK you do!"

― aulophobia, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ahh! The guy's such a classic I can't believe it. Perfect mixture of loony all-out weirdness (with such an I-don't-give-a-fuck attitude it doesn't come out as "wacky" or "zany", which I think Kool Keith & co. suffer from occasionally) and menace. BTW, who would be the ideal collaborator with ODB, outside of Wu-Tang?

― Janne Vanhanen, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

aulophobia - why so hostile ?

― Patrick, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Janne - you hit the nail ontha head - the way he doen't seem 'wacky' is what i like about him, think i sed on ahother thread i would want him railed against aguilera but how about jarvis cocker an' ODB doin that 'to all the girls ive loved before' or whateva that inglazeearse toon was ?

― geordie racer, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

that whole "shut the f--- up" thing is an ODB quote . . . i wondered when i typed that whether it would be misinterpretted. heh. guess i should have been clearer. no hostility intended :)

― aulophobia, Saturday, 26 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh yes, geordie, Jarvis and ODB'd be quite a pair. They both have this seriously-creepy-love thing and are, incidentally, quite eager crooners. I'd like to hear ODB and Michael Jackson doing a slow jam, how creepy would that be? The most bizarre past appearance must've been ODB with Mariah Carey, that helium-bunny, on "Fantasy"...

― Janne Vanhanen, Saturday, 26 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

as ultra-classic as henry rollins is uber-dud. oh you spaz oh so beautifully.

― sundar subramanian, Sunday, 27 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And let me add: Classic. Let me repeat my favourite line: "I drop science like Cosby's dropping babies." Altohugh the same track has the brilliant self-exaltation: "I keep planets in orbit". Whoah!

― Omar, Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ok, this is the third or fourth time i've seen ilm refer to that line as 'i drop science like cosby's droppin babies', but i had always assumed it was 'i drop science like girls be droppin babies', which of course is not as quotable. perhaps the man himself can clear up matters for us?

― ethan, Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two years pass...

what's going on?

― adaml (adaml), Thursday, 16 October 2003 05:27 (twenty-two years ago)

rappenin' is still what's happenin'!

― rob geary (rgeary), Thursday, 16 October 2003 05:31 (twenty-two years ago)

As overrated as they come. "b-b-but he's funny!" Rrrriiiight.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 16 October 2003 05:33 (twenty-two years ago)

oops, the sense of humor switch is located behind the left ear on your model.

― rob geary (rgeary), Thursday, 16 October 2003 05:35 (twenty-two years ago)

though if i'm honest with myself, he's not a genuinely good *mc*. he is, however, a block-rocking, amazingly weird *personality.*

― rob geary (rgeary), Thursday, 16 October 2003 05:36 (twenty-two years ago)

He really is quite talentless.

― Debito (Debito), Thursday, 16 October 2003 05:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, give me his funniest line then.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 16 October 2003 05:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Let's all send oops emails about ODB!

― adaml (adaml), Thursday, 16 October 2003 05:39 (twenty-two years ago)

"I wouldn't join any club that would have me as a member"-ODB

― adaml (adaml), Thursday, 16 October 2003 05:39 (twenty-two years ago)

"Take my wife...I wish someone would!"-ODB

― adaml (adaml), Thursday, 16 October 2003 05:39 (twenty-two years ago)

It's like the Turing Test for funny mc's. "If ODB can convince an oops in another room that he is funny..."

― rob geary (rgeary), Thursday, 16 October 2003 05:42 (twenty-two years ago)

You done?

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 16 October 2003 05:44 (twenty-two years ago)

The collabo we really all want to see go down:
http://www.toonman2.bizland.com/dangerfield.gif
plus
http://www.neoflux.com/content/bastards/dirty.jpg

― rob geary (rgeary), Thursday, 16 October 2003 05:45 (twenty-two years ago)

oops, what's your best line?

― adaml (adaml), Thursday, 16 October 2003 05:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you going with the whole 'let's see you do what you say he can't' thing? In case you didn't know, I am not touted as a goofy humurous MC.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 16 October 2003 05:48 (twenty-two years ago)

seriously (seems absurd to be serious about ODB) though, ALL of "I Can't Wait" gives me seizures. I don't think the lines themselves are all that funny in a punchline sense, but the delivery kills me. Though I will say "It ain't lambskin/You can't use the word napkin" destroys me with its Dada-ness. And he gives a shoutout to "all the munchkins!" And himself!

― rob geary (rgeary), Thursday, 16 October 2003 05:48 (twenty-two years ago)

No, I was just being childish. That came out much more confrontational than it was meant to.

That said, I expected you to say that. I'm not even sure why i revived this thread. I could give a fuck about ODB, frankly.

― adaml (adaml), Thursday, 16 October 2003 05:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I actually didn't know ODB was meant to be "funny", though. Isn't it more "crraaaaaaaazy"???

― adaml (adaml), Thursday, 16 October 2003 05:51 (twenty-two years ago)

ODB does get overrated as comedy, oops is right on that. He's not AS funny as some people think he is and I also happen to think he is (was?) a better regular rhymer than he usually got credit for.

― rob geary (rgeary), Thursday, 16 October 2003 05:52 (twenty-two years ago)

"Rollin' Wit You"- sometimes he's very, very unfunny. Is that the one I'm thinking of? It's actually kinda scary.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 16 October 2003 05:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I was wondering why y'all seemed to be so touchy.
He's the ka-razy rapper (use of rapper instead of MC was intentional) who frat boys and sorority girls who don't know Big Daddy Kane from Citizen Kane just think is SUPER!

(haha--xpost with adam's crazy reference)

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 16 October 2003 05:55 (twenty-two years ago)

ha ha! that's what i was trying to get at. i was wondering why you were so touchy!

― rob geary (rgeary), Thursday, 16 October 2003 05:56 (twenty-two years ago)

let's go beat up some frat guys.

― rob geary (rgeary), Thursday, 16 October 2003 05:56 (twenty-two years ago)

now i want to digitally insert big daddy kane into citizen kane!

― rob geary (rgeary), Thursday, 16 October 2003 05:57 (twenty-two years ago)

haha!

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 16 October 2003 05:59 (twenty-two years ago)

What are they puttinng in the water in ILX-land?

― adaml (adaml), Thursday, 16 October 2003 06:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Orson Welles was gangsta before gangsta existed:
http://www.purple-beats.com/pictures/big-daddy-kane-2.jpg
http://www.openix.com/~danb/kane.jpg

― rob geary (rgeary), Thursday, 16 October 2003 06:03 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.filmforum.com/images/touchfoto3.gif

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 16 October 2003 06:06 (twenty-two years ago)

There's something of the Jay Z about this

http://www.cobbles.com/simpp_archive/images/welles-portrait1.jpg

― adaml (adaml), Thursday, 16 October 2003 06:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Nice! Orson in the studio, freestyling over the Get Low beat:
http://www.wdrcobg.com/images/welles.jpg

― rob geary (rgeary), Thursday, 16 October 2003 06:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Whoops. Orson's clearly busting a written there.

― rob geary (rgeary), Thursday, 16 October 2003 06:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh man, someone who's not me HAS to pen a Orson rap verse.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 16 October 2003 06:17 (twenty-two years ago)

"You got that WHITE WHITE WHITE WHITE WHITE... white man clock on yo' wall"

― Mike Ouderkirk (Mike Ouderkirk), Thursday, 16 October 2003 07:29 (twenty-two years ago)

"I'm a dalmation, know what I'm saying, I'm white AND I'm black, know what I'm saying, if you don't know what I'm talking about then FUCK YOU!"

― Mike Ouderkirk (Mike Ouderkirk), Thursday, 16 October 2003 07:30 (twenty-two years ago)

"BIGBABYJESUSICANTWAITNIGGAFUCKTHATICANTWAAAAAAIIITBIGBABYJESUSICANTWAITNIGGAFUCKTHATICANTWAAAAAAIIITBIGBABYJESUSICANTWAITNIGGAFUCKTHATICANTWAAAAAAIIITBIGBABYJESUSICANTWAITNIGGAFUCKTHAT-I-CANT-WAIT"

― Mike Ouderkirk (Mike Ouderkirk), Thursday, 16 October 2003 07:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I want to karaoke that song so fucking bad, man

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 16 October 2003 07:55 (twenty-two years ago)

ethan otm way up thread

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 16 October 2003 08:14 (twenty-two years ago)

let all the world know we be gettin' high

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 16 October 2003 11:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Jeezus I'm rollin' wit' you, Jeezus I'm rollin' wit' you

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 16 October 2003 11:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I got this record last week. So classic it hurts. We're all n together nowwww...

― Barima (Barima), Thursday, 16 October 2003 12:26 (twenty-two years ago)

oops is OTM. the whole fetishization of Dirty is kind of creepy in a Wesley Willis way.

― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 16 October 2003 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)

DUDE FUCK YOU I LOVED WESLEY WILLIS IF YOU FIND IT CREEPY THE KEY WORD IS "YOU"

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 16 October 2003 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I really like Pop Shit.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 16 October 2003 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

"If you wanna die, you could eat my sperm / the other way to die is eat a CAN of WORMS!"

I don't find ODB love Wesley Willis creepy at all. The difference, to me, is that ODB knows how ridiculous everything he says is, he knows it's hilarious to burp or cough in the middle of a glossy Neptunes track and then keep going like nothing happened. I'm not convinced that Wesley knew that what he was doing was funny.

― Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Thursday, 16 October 2003 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick, is that actual hostility or is that an obscure ODB quote a la the aulophobia post upthread?

― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 16 October 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Naw I really freaked out. I just get really frustrated with people and how they viewed Wesley Willis. It prob'ly wouldn't have been the same way had I not like met him multiple times and fed him a sandwich and shit like that. I dunno, nickalicious knee-jerk #372b.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 16 October 2003 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone else think that his first album is way more compelling than "Nigga Please"? Listen to "Snakes" or "Rawhide" from "return..." -I love those dirty and sparse RZA productions, and the spontanaeity of his rhymes. And the fact that its also a classic Wu-tang ensemble record. The second album's various producers seemed to all have the same approach: "this guy is a mentalist, lets give him goofy, hyperactive shit, and edit his vocals so that they sort of trip over themselves." the result, for me anyway, is almost a parody of what made him so wonderful on the first record.

― Conor (Conor), Thursday, 16 October 2003 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

also,someone asked upthread who the ideal collaborator for odb would be
even though they've worked together before,on the w,i'd love to see odb and snoop on top of their game working together
the track on the w was a little disappointing though,if only because it should have been the best thing ever

― robin (robin), Friday, 17 October 2003 00:24 (twenty-two years ago)

ODB phoned that in from prison, didn't he?

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 17 October 2003 02:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, I do, Conor. But I'm biased since RZA is one of my favorite ~~producers~~ musicians.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 17 October 2003 03:45 (twenty-two years ago)

No, I don't. 'Nigga Please' is definitely in my top 5 of hip-hop albums, while 'Return..' has a few good moments but kind of meanders after a while

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Friday, 17 October 2003 06:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Agreed. I don't care too much for Return, my least favorite peak-period-Wu album. I just like "Nigga Please" even less.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 17 October 2003 06:59 (twenty-two years ago)

What about 'Recognize'? 'Got your Money'? 'Cold Blooded'?

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Friday, 17 October 2003 07:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Meh. Bleh. Okay.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 17 October 2003 07:40 (twenty-two years ago)

"What about 'Recognize'? 'Got your Money'? 'Cold Blooded'? "

-well, all fine tunes of course, but I still prefer Shimmy Shimmy Ya, Brooklyn Zoo, Hippa to the Hoppa, Don't U Know and quite a few more from the first record. Not that I actively dislike Nigga Please, but for me the exuberance gets turned into a kind of shtick by the self-consciously hyperactive production, and the aggressive layering of vocals (especially on "I can't wait"). The first one gives him more breathing space, and has a magic to it, for me.

And so many lines! "Introducin -yo fuck that nigga's name / My hip-hop drops on your head like ra-a-ain..."
"You'll get shanked and spanked and alley-ooped / I admire true niggas
like Dre and Snoop"
...and when Killah Priest says to the girl in Don't U Know, "I've been watchin' you mowin' your lawn" ...well, that's just ineffable brilliance there, if you ask me...

And the skits are even funny. The two girls discussing him "That dirty bastard, that ain't shit at all!" versus "Just look at him, just look at
his disposition! Shorty got a stride!' -which is also one of the many moments where we see ODB showing a lot more self-consciousness than he is often given credit for: he is not the lunatic sex/id freak that he seems -well, maybe he is, but he is something more sophisticated at the same time. Like in "Goin' Down" where he drawls: " I'm the original G-O-D / Making young ladies
scream's my speciality / See my style, different from yours / Make young bitch
want to drop their drawers"
-and then his "wife" comes in, berating him: "Fuck that bullshit! You my motherfuckin husband, I ain't got no fuckin time for them bitches... Fuck that shit, you comin home with me, you fuckin better bring your muthafuckin ass home tonight, muthafucker I don't got no time for your muthafucka bitches callin my muthafuckin house..."
whilst at the same time Dirty sings "somewheeeee-re over the rainbow". read it however you like, but there's a degree of self-reflexivity about his persona here that lifts him above what he is often typed as.

― Conor (Conor), Friday, 17 October 2003 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...

hey everyone

― erin e, Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:47 (twenty years ago)

How do.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:50 (twenty years ago)

Nice weather we're having.

― Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:03 (twenty years ago)

I was not posting when this was discussed, and I xcan't believe no one added this:

Here we go now
Me and Mariah
Go back like babies with pacifiers
Ol' dirty dog no liar
Kickin' fantasy hot like fire
Jump jump
And let me see you do the stump
Girls let me see you shake your rump
Brothers get in from the back and pump
And let's do it do it do the hump

I'm a little bit country
I'm a little bit rock
And I'm soul to soul
Big letters all big and bold
Ol' Dirty Bastard across the globe

Genius. GENIUS I SAY!

― Ash (ashbyman), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:04 (twenty years ago)

five years pass...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/jan/11/fbi-wu-tang-clan-ol-dirty-bastard?newsfeed=true

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 12 January 2012 16:46 (fourteen years ago)

Furthermore, Wu-Tang Clan are portrayed as a criminal organisation, co-ordinating drug-deals and homicides – sometimes with musical rewards. "Once individuals have proved themselves as good and loyal members," officers claimed, "they are offered record contracts to record Rap type music."

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 12 January 2012 16:47 (fourteen years ago)

A Raekwon biopic is in the works and RZA recently unveiled plans for a film about ODB, starring either Tracy Morgan or Eddie Griffin. "I signed on, of course," he said. "[They] got my blessin' to make it happen."

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 12 January 2012 16:48 (fourteen years ago)

"be careful with my balls
they're fragile like eggs"

― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 12 January 2012 17:54 (fourteen years ago)

nine years pass...

WOW

so this is a track called "Drug Free" off the Deadly Venoms album (a Wu affiliated all-woman group - all vets N-Tyce, J-Boo, Champ MC, and Finesse) which was never formally released but I guess CD promos escaped.

anyway, this is up there with the all-time unhinged ODB performances

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb_Plk87qwI

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 19 April 2021 17:14 (five years ago)

god dam

― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 19 April 2021 17:21 (five years ago)

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