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I would be curious to see what you make of a few quotes by some famous smarties. I dare not use my own words any longer. See how many you recognize. (Momus could probably have a field day with this)

He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him, the spinal cord would fully suffice.

the world is big. some people are unable to comprehend that simple fact. they want the world on their own terms, its peoples just like them and their friends, its places like the manicured patch on which they live. but this is a foolish and blind wish. diversity is not an abnormality, but the very reality of our planet. the human world manifests the same reality and will not seek our permission to celebrate itself in the magnificance of its endless varieties. civility is a sensible attribute in this kind of world we have; narrowness of heart and mind is not.

"Being an activist means being aware of what's happening around you as well as being in touch with your feelings about it -- your rage, your sadness, your excitement, your curiosity, your feeling of helplessnes, and your refusal to surrender. Being an activist means owning your desire."

We are all conduits for something. Whatever we are in contact with, whatever we surround ourselves with, passes through us whether we like it or not. A driver zooming through traffic because he's listening to speed metal is a conduit for the music. Likewise, we are conduits for the enterprises in which we participate. Ideas pass through us, spirituality and certainly the desire for money passes through us as surely as the cord through the wooden hands of a marionette. When large corporations are the ultimate purveyors of what we make, it has to affect our work. We become conduits for corporate ideology. We take the check and wonder why we're miserable.

Precious few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts.

Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions.

The individual is able to think, feel, strive, and work by himself; but he depends so much upon society--in his physical, intellectual, and emotional existence--that it is impossible to think of him, or to understand him, outside the framework of society. It is 'society' which provides man with food, clothing, a home, the tools of work, language, the forms of thought, and most of the content of thought; his life is made possible through the labor and the accomplishments of the many millions past and present who are all hidden behind the small word 'society'.

A poet is one who can call forth the good latent in the human breast

I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness...

The triumph of advertising in the culture industry is that consumers feel compelled to buy and use its products even though they see through them

American consumerism is about buying things we don't need, with money we don't have, to impress friends we don't have time for.

A society that will trade a little order for a little freedom will lose both, and deserve neither.

Today the tyrant rules not by club or fist, but disguised as a market researcher, he shepherds his flocks in the ways of utility and comfort.

The mouth is the exit wound of ego.

art is the lie that helps us understand the truth

There is something feeble and contemptible about a man who cannot face the perils of life without the help of comfortable myths. Almost inevitably some part of him is aware that they are myths and that he believes them only because they are comforting. But he dare not face this thought! Moreover, since he is aware, however dimly, that his opinions are not rational, he becomes furious when they are disputed.

It is impossible to live outside of politics, without politics, anymore than one can live without air.

Have fun!

Famous Smarties, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"The mouth is the exit wound of ego." And the anus is the exit wound of the Pearl Jam's musical ideas.

Mike Hanley, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

first of all, is your title a de la soul reference? secondly, i hope you know that the sources of most of these overused statements are blatantly obvious. i think i saw 'howl' parodied on animaniacs the other day. what's the purpose of reading them all yet again, totally out of context, on a music forum? maybe you can go find a 'grad student-style vaguely anticorporate socialism' forum to bore with this sort of thing. oh, these consumerist times we live in, blah blah blah. whatever.

ethan, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

oh why the hell did i respond to this question?

ethan, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If you actually read it, you already understand what the point was. If you didn't bother, it doesn't matter. To claim you didn't understand would be quite false (barring mental deficiency). Of course this is an invitation to mock me. If you read it, it doesn't matter. You see, it has a loophole or two for such behavior. And out of context? No, this is the context which is fitting on many levels given the behavior and attitudes here. Mock all you want. I could not care less. If you read it you understand it and if you're guilty and you know it, clap your hands. Goodbye all. Hatemail welcomed!

I lub music, though!, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i really enjoyed thinking about the quotes, i have enjoyed some of your words MORE recently - will answer fully sooon - thanx

geordie racer, Saturday, 26 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Robert A. Fuckin' Heinlein? If true, avoid his books. Stick to the Paul Verhoeven adaptations.

tarden, Saturday, 26 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Heinlein, I mean, came up with a cool aphorism every so often but couldn't work in the novel format for shit.

tarden, Saturday, 26 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

How about "even the devil can quote scripture for his own purposes"?

;-)

Quotes are nice to back up your personal opinion, but not as a replacemeent thereof.

masonic boom, Saturday, 26 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

art is the lie sounds like my man f. neitzsche, i'm not sure bout the rest...george w?

Geoff, Saturday, 26 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

nietzsche wasn't that insightful. that one is picasso.

ethan, Saturday, 26 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one sounds kind of mcluhan-ish, maybe?

gareth, Saturday, 26 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ethan, you'd be shocked at how much I agree with most of them ...

Robin Carmody, Saturday, 26 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

oh, i agree with a good many of them, i just dislike the general tone putting them all together out of context and such. it's all too elitist, too much 'look at those sheep, letting corporations decide for them, their feelings aren't REAL like mine!'. nothing that hasn't been said before by a thousand middlebrows frantically seeking for someone to support their personal ivory towers. what's the point of stiltedly complaining about the masses if you don't offer any solutions? throw in a couple universal truths and that's what you've got here, the boring cut-and-paste of a pseudointellectual pathetically grasping for relevance. leave me out of it.

ethan, Saturday, 26 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

He probably voted for Ralph Nader, too.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Saturday, 26 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

He probably voted for Ralph Nader, too. And has a Che t-shirt (well- worn, of course) and works in the local coffeeshop (Starbucks!) all the better to swill free lattes.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Saturday, 26 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

One sided platitudes full of elitist bile and contempt for "the plebs". Watch out, heybuddy, the masses will eat you anyway. Poor feeble contemptable unseeing unfeeling sods that they are, you stand no chance.

Sterling Clover, Sunday, 27 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

heybuddy, me dad said - ' you can do anything you fucking want, as long as you're prepared to deal with the consequences ' - Sartre would've been down with that amsure .

i thought he didn't vote - i iz more eloquent than yo fukin prezident.

geordie racer, Sunday, 27 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

> i iz more eloquent than yo fukin prezident.

Yes, you are. Sad, innit?

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Sunday, 27 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes, it is sad.

And Ethan, I agree with you about the smugness of certain "anti- corporate" people's contempt for the masses. I'm much more in the original socialist tradition, which was about *respecting* the people, not sneering at them.

Robin Carmody, Sunday, 27 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah, the self-satisfied smugness of large proportions of the anti-corporate movement is pretty much what stops it from being as effective as it could and should be. On the other hand Robin, I'd say your formulation of socialist politics and perceptions has been largely superseded - the socialists *own* the anti-corporate debate at university, and they're the major instigators of the elitism as far as I can tell. They've all read third hand descriptions of Adorno and "know" that everyone not in the movement is a mindless zombie hypnotised by the culture industry - an all to easy and often hypocritical explanation, as far as I'm concerned.

A similar situation has developed in radical feminist and queer politics, where the enemies are no longer men and straights so much as unenlightened feminine women and straight-friendly gays and lesbians. But then I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that reason doesn't enter into uni politics. Reason? We've got the rest of our lives for that!

Tim, Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But if you really respect the people you'll let them do whatever they want. And what they want is to buy stuff. And mass-produced stuff so they know what they're getting for their money. And what's wrong with that? Nothing! The anti-corporatists would have people buy maggot- ridden organic apples in crowns and shillings. If you really respect the people then stop having pointless demonstrations that get in the way of shopping, and make life inconvenient by shutting down Tube stations.

tarden, Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But Tim, I *know* my idea of socialism has been largely superceded - that's the great tragedy. To be honest I relate more to the William Morris / Robert Blatchford / C.P. Scott generation than anyone alive today, so no wonder I sound lost. I wish it *was* still about the true representation of the people, not claiming patronisingly to "speak for them".

But Tarden, I don't know what to say in response to your incomparable, indescribable stupidity. While I don't suggest a return to the puritan socialism of the 50s which, ironically, anticipated Thatcher by attacking rock'n'roll as an "alien culture", the idea of never questioning or ever saying anything critical at all about anything that "the people" like - in other words, the betrayal of the idea that, if you are of the left, you have a duty to encourage the education and widening horizons of the working people - has been the great tragedy of Britain in recent decades. And so we get New Labour having so little ideological conviction that they have to use Geri Halliwell to promote themselves. I bet you watched Tony Blair: The Movie last night - an entire Labour Party election broadcast being given over to a glossy advert for that slimy character, who has never convinced me that he believes anything he says, without a word on actual party policies, and loved it. I bet you also agreed with Blair when he smarmed "Globalisation is irresistible and unavoidable".

The stuff about "maggot-ridden organic apples in pounds and shillings" (eh? Since when have anti-corporatists in the UK suggested that we should go back to pre-decimal currency? I'll concede that the Green Party oppose the euro while I support it, but there's plenty of *left-wing* opposition to the euro; see Gary Younge's column in today's Guardian) is calculatedly reactionary and offensive, and is symptomatic of a general tendency that sporadically comes to the fore on ILM; a sneery disdain for the environmentalist / progressive movement based around outmoded stereotypes from the 70s and early 80s, and a post-Thatcherite suspicion of the idea that social change is something we should work hard to achieve. Tarden's whinge is pathetic considering that the demonstrations he objects to (which are far from "pointless") take place on 1 day of the year out of 365.

I know I'm not living the life I'd want to live. My ideal life would be much more communal and much less solitary than this one, but at least I think I've got my values right. Tarden, you sound profoundly insecure and aggressively consumerist.

I don't want to create a whole thread on this subject, so if Tarden or anyone wants to talk with me about this, please take it to email.

Robin Carmody, Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ummm...actually, my previous post was directed at Tim. Don't worry though Robin, you'll get an answer eventually.

tarden, Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)


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