if you were a young person now what new music would you play to make your parents jump out a window?

it's NY drill, right? hours of gun-waving drill blasting from your fetid bedroom. that would do the trick.

the only time i ever saw my mom go nuts was when my sister was playing the fish cheer from woodstock and she actually ran into my sister's room and ripped it off the turntable and threw the record down the stairs! hahaha! my mom had no religion but she hated profanity. she got it from her mother.

I love a bit of drill, the kids (9 and 12) listen to what I'd describe as youtuber EDM. I don't hate it but it's boring.

For me, it’s when they want to hear the same song over and over and over again. I can handle a few replays usually, but it’s that 4th, 5th request where I’ll start to lose it. Then what usually happens is one will start singing a section of the song repeatedly, words mangled, and generally out of tune. This is currently the case for me with Lady Gaga’s “Bloody Mary.”

I feel like 100 gecs are finely tuned to drive my parents crazy

for me it's the multiple repeated playings of the same shitty Drake song over and over and over and over

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDUSFpek0PM

"I feel like 100 gecs are finely tuned to drive my parents crazy"

haha, that's for sure. they might have been designed in a lab to annoy oldsters.

i can't watch that guy's videos. i get his doppelgangers in here on the regular at the shop.

As an evil and spiteful youngster, instead of mining new horrors, I'd conjure up a babadook-like figure of malevolent nostalgia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFW1taJvhUw

There's apparently a 10-hour version of this.

i know this is not the place, but can we have a moratorium on rick beato content? or at least consolidate it all into one hate-thread?

need an exception for that Pat Metheny interview tho

My kids think my taste in music is outré.

This is what my kid plays all the time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa5Ti_tR0hE

Ha, I don't mind Rick Beato. But the reason I posted that video is because it does get into some very specific nuts n bolts stuff that he posits tends to annoy old people. Songs that use the same sounds, no rhythmic variation, additive production, autotune (specifically melodyne to make all vocals perfect).

This questions messes with my head, I can't imagine being young in 2023, I barely understand when they speak.

“It’s your cousin, Marvin Gecs”

Speaking of things that annoy old people, I can’t imagine being over the age of like 24 and having ever watched an entire Fantano or Rick Beatoff video

rick beato is like the joe bonamassa of music criticism

I can’t imagine any opportunity where I would even willingly know what the gray hair guitar man’s voice sounds like

I remember when there were only ten Gecs

I feel like the tiktok Caretaker challenge probably drove a lot of parents crazy

Mixolydian Mode Sucked Me Off??!!

Any kid on TikTok enough to be doing the Caretaker challenge obviously has parents that aren’t paying that close attention to them

lo-fi study beats

Judging by RYM trends, possibly the best way to annoy parents these days is by playing turn of the century emo and nu-metal that we were able to safely ignore at the time.

ha yes, my own child has tried to pull that one with me

I remember when there were only ten Gecs

I accidentally referred to them as "40 Gecs" in a text msg recently... my friend was like, "What happened to the other 60?"

ha yes, my own child has tried to pull that one with me

I've suffered through Imagine Dragons but so far mercifully avoided this fate.

xp LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlXo4QHo2Rk

40 Acres and a Gec

it's hard to keep up with inflation, tbh

seriously, in 2023 10,000 gecs gets you what you only needed 1000 gecs for in 2019

"I expect to see 22,598 Maniacs in today's dollars"

1 GEC to USD Calculator - How much US Dollar (USD) is 1 GECOIN (GEC)?

https://beincrypto.com/convert/gecoin-to-usd/

Hobo Johnson but I’d probably end up jumping out the window first.

The most annoying thing my 11 year old listens to is endless YouTube remixes of nonsensical nursery rhyme meme songs. Stuff like "Johnny Johnny, Yes Papa".

My 13 year old listens to stuff from the "Stranger Things" soundtrack, and other material from that era.

I can't stand Beato but made an exception for the Keith Jarrett video, and I was glad for it.

lol @ Marvin Gecs

Serious question, what do y'all dislike about Beato? He seems pretty reasonable, afaict. I don't follow him religiously or anything, but the interviews I've seen have all been good (the Kirk Hammett one is great, also Metheney, Lanois, etc.) and I find it interesting to hear someone really knowledgable about both music theory and making music talk about stuff; there was a really good one I saw where he dissected an Ariana Grande song, revealing all sorts of neat stuff going on.

Hmm... can you link that one? (Never heard of this Beano guy, but I'll check that out)

Ha, I suspect people will just yell at me. It's the episode called "What Makes This Song Great?" that focuses on Max Martin.

Thx... huh, he breaks down "Into You"

rhodesian folk music

(xp I'm not jazzed about the fact that "MAX MARTIN" is the focus rather than, you know, the actual artist... but I'll give it a chance)

I have no idea if Beato is smart or not, I'm just extremely avoidant to the "sitting and watching some nerd talking at you" model

See, I love that stuff, I love when people break down the elements of a song. He had an episode about "More Than a Feeling" that was illuminating to me, from showing how the verse part is actually a mix of electric and acoustic to isolating Brad Delp's vocals and revealing how the dude does not lose any power even when he is going up to those super high notes.

I don't have strong feelings about Beato, he seems insightful yet dull. I mostly like the Pat Metheny interview because Metheny himself is such an odd blend of chill weirdo who also happens to be insanely driven and disciplined.

xxp "The artist is... not an artist! It's the producer Max Martin. Coming up next...

Now, I normally focus on the artist... my girls love this singer... but I really want to focus on the production..."

c'mon dude

Yeah, this is too granular for me anyway.

It's like any jerkoff with a camera can have his own TV show these days.

Serious question, what do y'all dislike about Beato?

Some people just hate other people's enthusiasm.

Beato is dull and his knowledge rarely goes beyond talking about the chords but he seems chill. Most interesting bits for me is when he listens to the top tracks on spotify mainly because I like seeing old people reacting to what the kids are listening to. Again his opinions are sort of dull and very rockist - he does not get loop based music at all since he pretty much expects every song to have chord variations to have something to talk about.

Btw any music related reviews/analysis/remakes/live sessions/whatever channels you’d recommend or point me to a thread were people might discuss those?

Xpost back to the original question, death metal. In response to the question one of my kids sent me Ashen - Humanity’s Last Breath which sounds like you might imagine it would.

i played the boris + merzbow album once during a family roadtrip once when i was a teen

I tried (and failed) to get my school to drop me off in Brisbane after a school trip to dreamworld for a merzbow show at the IMA. Even had parental permission and everything, but to no avail 🙁

My mum didn’t like when I played swans in the car

I have no idea if Beato is smart or not, I'm just extremely avoidant to the "sitting and watching some nerd talking at you" model

― The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten)

d: sitting and watching some nerd talking at you about their special interest
c: being some nerd talking at people about your special interest

one time, roughly 15-20 years ago, i tried to explain the appeal of us maple's music, to my father, while driving down to wilmington, nc from kitty hawk (northern coast / outer banks of north carolina) ... we listened to talker and acre thrills (towards the end of the trip, as i was driving) and, in my mind, it felt as if i'd succeeded somehow in conveying my enthusiasm (my perception of it, even) to my dad, who mostly listens to the oldies station.. 60s/70s/80s popular rock radio. it was a sort of false reverie (a perceived connection. we arrived home as the sun was going down), as he still seems to perceive me as an alien.

to this day, my father cannot comprehend what it is that i find worthwhile or appealing in listening to abstract, different, extreme, "ambient" etc. forms of music and sound art. he's a casual player himself (guitar), and locked in to a sensibility that only really recognizes the tried & true formulae of western, standard pop / rock music. there's a familiar expression that he repeats, "music is math" (simply) ... while that's true, it's also maddening, when discussing alternate forms, standards, and unquantifiable elements of composition... weird, psychic impasse

My bosss nova loving dad really loved it when I put Sam Prekop’s self titled and Pink Moon on in the car. He didn’t really understand what Tim Hecker was doing when I played him in my room as a teen but I think he appreciated I was appreciating something as art.

My mum could not STAND Damo Suzuki’s vocals whenever it wasn’t conventional singing. Had to be very careful on the Can tracks I picked in the car

Playing music was so much more exciting when you had to be wary of your parents opinions at all time.

I once played Love Cry by Albert Ayler in a room with my mother for the specific purpose of annoying her. She liked it and I learned that she was more complex than I had originally thought.

my 88-year-old father sits about 5 feet from one of my speakers at the record store. revenge for all that stan kenton he made me listen to when i was young! i kid. i am a jazzbo because of him. when ALL you hear from your dad is jazz and soul growing up you tend to thank your lucky stars.
at the store maria and i play whatever we want and i'm positive he doesn't even hear it unless its jazz or a recognizable tune.

After seeing the Unwound reunion, my friend commented that he couldn't imagine his (old) parents getting anything out of it at all. Just very atonal, unmelodic, not even conventionally musical. I think he said something about playing them Fugazi many years back and they at least seeing the appeal, but he thought Unwound would be totally unpalatable.

grindset hustle bro rock-rap-pop-edm crossover Neffex

https://youtube.com/@neffexmusic/

i mean first i would put in earplugs obv, like indiana jones closing his eyes when the ark of the covenant is opened

My dad turned me on to Ornette Coleman. It's probably the thing I'm most grateful to him for.

Beato is dull and his knowledge rarely goes beyond talking about the chords but he seems chill. Most interesting bits for me is when he listens to the top tracks on spotify mainly because I like seeing old people reacting to what the kids are listening to. Again his opinions are sort of dull and very rockist - he does not get loop based music at all since he pretty much expects every song to have chord variations to have something to talk about.

I generally like Beato and think now and then he has some good stories, but I can't stand his reacting to the top tracks on Spotify lol. infuriating how he obv doesn't understand dance music but still tries to critique a reggaeton track for not having a middle eight or whatever. it's probably solely for views - his enthusiasm seems much lower in those videos - but I think if anyone should dislike Beato for something, it should be those videos

Phoney Beatomania has bitten the dust then

I remember enjoying (but disagreeing with) his video on top ten drum intros.

never watched a Rick Beato video but I do get occasional fans of his being furious about this silly tweet I did

FOUR VIDEOS THAT PROVE TODAY'S YOUTUBE MUSIC CRITICISM SUCKS NOT LIKE IN THE OLD DAYS WHEN EVERYTHING WAS PERFECT pic.twitter.com/VMjEaooevw

— Centuries of Sound (@Centuries_Sound) February 20, 2022

His video captions are clickbait he is more reasonable than what it seems. Even him hating on things is dull.

Those video captions are the way the game is played, aren't they? That seems the epitome of don't hate the player. But I'd much rather listen to dull blather than, like, "this classical vocal coach reacts to Tool's 'Forty Six & 2'."

When I was a kid, my dad had incredibly eclectic tastes. The only music I remember him expressing distaste for was KISS; he thought they were talentless hacks. I mean, he wasn't totally wrong, but still.

My mom had much more sensitive ears, although the only thing that really bothered her was profanity. Cheech & Chong usually did the trick.

"don't stop believing" by journey

I am enjoying all the "Drummers React to El Estepario Siberiano" vids

FOUR VIDEOS THAT PROVE TODAY'S YOUTUBE MUSIC CRITICISM SUCKS NOT LIKE IN THE OLD DAYS WHEN EVERYTHING WAS PERFECT pic.twitter.com/VMjEaooevw
— Centuries of Sound (@Centuries_Sound) February 20, 2022

excellent tweet

can't stand beato but can't stand any youtuber

not sure new music would be better for pissing parents off than old, unless the parents were, like, backpacker hip hop heads or chicago house purists or smth

They make like movies and TV shows to watch

My dad was weirdly upset by Tangerine Dream's Phaedra, I expected he would have been bored or taken no notice of it.

We should do an ILM podcast, where a few of us summarize the hot discussions of the week. Good idea, huh!

Only if we get to laugh at our own jokes.