taylor and beyonce legacy

do we deserve more

deserve's got nothing to do with it

classic old-ilx thread premise. poxy fules as far as the eye can see

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10XXtoCjk5c

?

I deserve more chicken tenders

at some point we started projecting all this revolutionary politics onto our pop stars which was a very weird thing to do and I'm not sure why it felt so important at one time and still sort of does if I look at it from a certain angle

they have brought together impressive coalitions that they inevitably let down because they are people as well as symbols of the collective desires of everyone involved. who are still hungry and will hopefully create things that go beyond what the fandoms were ostensibly about

which one would make a better dictator?

beyonce would be better at projecting an image for people to invoke to police each other with while keeping her actual role in governance relatively opaque to the average person; taylor would not be able to resist getting personally involved in people's business and she could more effectively weaponise a sense of victimhood even as the most powerful person in the world. I think they would both have vaguely well meaning and selfish motivations and both would end up getting millions of people killed while trying to protect themselves as well as while trying to do what they think is right

dead on. i agree with all of that.

I’m sorry, the correct answer is “*fart*”

you can say that again.

TAYLOR & BEYONCÉ: LEGACY, a fast-paced action-espionage thriller coming exclusively to netflix this fall

Concert movie where they cover each others songs.

mods can we move this to I Love Deserts please?

lol bg

Taylor: Beyonce's Version vs. Beyonce: Taylor's Version

I don’t know if this is the thread for it, but the whole “I’m standing up for Taylor against right-wingers freaking out at her on social media” thing is weird to me because all I’ve seen are the responses, few to none of the supposed freak-outs. Are right-wingers really freaking out, or is kind of a ginned-up meme?

there are definitely misogynist trolls whining about her, but it's lead to some bizarre overcorrections, with people basically claimed she single-handedly saved the NFL from collapsing.

i am so very very sick of hearing about taylor swift so I resent the feeling that i now have to defend her because MAGA types are deciding they hate her

On the NFL / “they’re cutting to her too
often” tip, I saw a thread where a guy was like, “Why didn’t Gisele get this kind of abuse from Patriots fans??,” and others were like, “Uh, she did. And Jessica Simpson from Romo fans. That’s how these people are; it’s not a unique conspiracy against Swift…”

NFL Fans in Being Sexist SHOCKER

I think there are right wing nutters that literally think that Taylor Swift is a CIA operative, but there are also just run of the mill republicans that resent the prospect that she will campaign for Biden.

I've been blissfully unaware of this discourse I've only seen stans on tumblr harassing other stans for not understanding that [coded message] means she's *obviously* queer and other stans harassing those people for violating her by impuning her perfect pure heterosexuality

people had strong feelings about madonna but it never got this wild did it? maybe it did I wasn't there

she really could get a lot of people killed if she felt like it one day

sure

On the NFL / “they’re cutting to her too
often” tip, I saw a thread where a guy was like, “Why didn’t Gisele get this kind of abuse from Patriots fans??,” and others were like, “Uh, she did. And Jessica Simpson from Romo fans. That’s how these people are; it’s not a unique conspiracy against Swift…”

― jake morgendorffer core (morrisp), Sunday, February 4, 2024 3:56 PM (forty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

sure Gisele and esp Simpson did to degrees but it wasn't close to this and didn't have the bizarre right wing conspiracy thing. but not comparable imo. (also the NFL really went in on Swift in terms of coverage, the whole thing was elevated to a different level but also Swift is an entire other level of fame/importance as well)

NFL Fans in Being Sexist SHOCKER

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, February 4, 2024 3:59 PM (forty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

so unlike fans of....everything else

Yeah I’m just talking about the complaints of them showing her too much on TV, or being a “distraction” to Kelce’s playing or w/e… I have no idea about the right-wing conspiracy thing; I’ve only seen people reacting to it, haven’t seen any examples of the thing itself (although I’m sure it exists)

(although someone did say Gisele is liberal and that’s something Pats fans complained about, idk)

i think the big difference is like 90 percent of them probably never heard of gisele before she was tom brady's GF (i hadn't) and swift is coming off a year where's she's been as close to an old school 80s michael jackson level dominating the culture type figure

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Is Taylor Swift a Pentagon PsyOp asset? pic.twitter.com/yHp8WywKh8

— Jesse Watters (@JesseBWatters) January 10, 2024

Somewhere a young bureaucrat is nervously shredding boxes of files related to Operation Evermore.

Kelce also advocated for getting vaccinated I think, which isn't popular in certain circles

I think there are right wing nutters that literally think that Taylor Swift is a CIA operative, but there are also just run of the mill republicans that resent the prospect that she will campaign for Biden.

I think its more deep seated than fact she might campaign for Biden with the latter group. Its resentment. From a right wing perspective, Swift and Kelce, historically should be "their thing". A blonde blue eyed pop country singer and a football player for the Chiefs? How have the libs stolen these (along with the military and the FBI and the CIA)

The two groups are blurred as well, on the wingnut end, all these things are part of the deepstate, and on the run of the mill end they're all part of the establishment. And "the deepstate" and "the establishment", are increasingly becoming the same thing, "the man".

They're resentful of all non-CHUDs and Swift being an apolitical otherwise-wholesome capitalist celebrity confounds them further. She came from the country world, she should be one of them, must be something else going on.

There are women in country who are more aggressively not-CHUDs (like Maren Morris) but they're not famous enough to generate the broad spectrum of resentment.

I think not being more aggressively not-chud compounds the resentment (as well as making her more effective). Makes her more difficult to otherize (same for Kelce too). It highlights a greater loss

an apolitical

To her credit, Swift has not been entirely apolitical - in 2018 she endorsed Marsha Blackburn's dem opponent in Tennessee, and she's led voter drives. Of course, she was unable to move the needle much in that election. I guess we'll see if she's more powerful, or chooses to be, on a national scale. I hope so!

yeah she has been coded as liberal since 2018 at least but likely earlier. even if she wasn't making political endorsements, she was singing paeans to New York City and calling herself a feminist in 2014.

this is a good overview of her relationship to the right over the years (from Rolling Stone): https://archive.ph/xCG8Y

and hanging out with Lena Dunham, I might add

That nails it.

Who is Lena Dunham going to endorse!!?

Lena Dunham. That’s a name I haven’t heard in a while.

I think she maybe started to realize people were getting annoyed with her and lowered her public profile. but she did write a movie last year or the year before called Catherine Called Birdy that is supposed to be very good? I haven't watched it yet.

I stumbled on a movie called Sharp Stick that she made a few years ago, didn’t know it existed; it was fairly remarkable…

I haven't heard anything about her since she defended that Girls writer who was accused of rape.

Swift and Kelce, historically should be "their thing". A blonde blue eyed pop country singer and a football player for the Chiefs? How have the libs stolen these (along with the military and the FBI and the CIA)

republicans are not at all normie anymore. trump is like king of the freaks.

I don’t know if this is the thread for it, but the whole “I’m standing up for Taylor against right-wingers freaking out at her on social media” thing is weird to me because all I’ve seen are the responses, few to none of the supposed freak-outs. Are right-wingers really freaking out, or is kind of a ginned-up meme?

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 4 February 2024 21:22 (yesterday) link

there are definitely misogynist trolls whining about her, but it's lead to some bizarre overcorrections, with people basically claimed she single-handedly saved the NFL from collapsing.

― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Sunday, 4 February 2024 21:27 (yesterday) link

From what I've seen this is just how people facilitate maximum engagement on social media...

the opportunity presents itself via an attack on a popular figure or cause, and/or a general cause of some sort gains momentum and everyone rushes to jump on board as quickly as possible to ride the wave
-content is generated reacting/dunking on the attack or just the notion of it
-content is generated with "taking a stand" posts in the race to be seen as the megaphone holder leading the crowd
-in the competition for the most eyeballs/shares, to GET NOTICED, accounts may resort to "bizarre overcorrections" as mentioned in order to stand out from the crowd of otherwise similar sentiments

Another related strategy is to try to become the hub for the latest developments of this week's popular cause or outrage, starting with or milking the above posting techniques throughout and secretly hoping it doesn't fizzle out too quickly

Also, personal algorithms feed users a single side of the issue, likely omitting the other side and making it look even more imaginary or blown out of proportion

My mom, a victim of Cuban talk radio, suddenly knows about the NFL guy she's dating -- and she dismissed him as a gold digger.

We need hen fap

Everyone weighing in first needs to take a fresh relisten to T.Swift's cover of "September."

oh god no

9/21/24: The Day Taylor Takes OVer

people had strong feelings about madonna but it never got this wild did it? maybe it did I wasn't there

― Left, Sunday, 4 February 2024 22:31 (yesterday) link

They did but different era so if you weren't direct contact with them to receive their Xeorx'd mental illness document or catch then ranting on AM radio show it was easy to miss

Were people speculating that Madonna could become someone who would lead to the deaths of millions of people back then or not

She was leading teenage boys into the arms of Satan

And into the arms of each other

Xxpost yes

And before "Dick Tracy" even!

encouraging young women to fuck jesus

and Vanilla Ice

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Taylor Swift
Houseplants

Taylor Swift's Journey Through the Secret Life of Houseplants

And before "Dick Tracy" even!

― chr1sb3singer

i'm breathplay

as is typical for me, the only criticism of madonna i know of is dj sprinkles' criticism of her

do we deserve more

― marguerite

yes, we definitely deserve houseplants