katy perry and rapist-produced feminist anthem "Woman's World" from new album 143

how are folks liking this surreal dystopian hellzone of a track and music video

the guardian:

https://imgur.com/EbZIpvX

https://www.theguardian.com/music/article/2024/jul/12/katy-perry-womans-world-review

"this garbage has 6 writers" lol

https://i.imgur.com/EbZIpvX.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/5UWVGnN.jpeg

this actually killed me

https://i.imgur.com/v6FGvGE.png

lol @ maroon 5, the most damned of juxtaposings

If Perry was willing to cop the built-in bad press of making a song about women’s lib with an alleged abuser, shouldn’t the song at least be a banger? Instead, it’s unfathomably tepid, irritating at best. In the immortal words of Sister Catherine Rose Holzman, uttered moments before she died: “Katy Perry, please stop.”

the sheer brutality of the reviews has been entertaining

katy perry sucks but as far as dr luke proteges go, kim petras should be called out more often, but apparently she doesn't care and it's not like she's out there making women's lib anthems lol. maybe dr luke doesn't sexually assault trans people.

anyway that dazed blurb is a little cringe, perry's career is down the drain enough that i doubt she's getting much traction with white gays living in west hollywood at the moment but maybe i'm underestimating how much being rich makes you lame.

a free kesha is obviously the real deal when it comes to women's lib realness.

the pitchfork review of Woman's World (mookie already quoted it above but in the interest of completion):

https://pitchfork.com/reviews/tracks/katy-perry-womans-world/

Even if “Woman’s World” didn’t sound like its author had to have feminism explained to her by the top half of the first page of Google, its message of empowerment would have rang false, simply because it was co-written and co-produced by Dr. Luke, the producer Kesha accused, in a since-dismissed lawsuit, of sexual assault and emotional abuse—allegations he denied. It’s sincerely twisted, if unsurprising—I generally believe you have to be at least be something of an amoral hypocrite to be a celebrity or pop star, and fair play to those willing to do it—but it also reveals “Woman’s World” to be even more of a monumental catastrophe: If Perry was willing to cop the built-in bad press of making a song about women’s lib with an alleged abuser, shouldn’t the song at least be a banger? Instead, it’s unfathomably tepid, irritating at best. In the immortal words of Sister Catherine Rose Holzman, uttered moments before she died: “Katy Perry, please stop.”

i doubt she's getting much traction with white gays living in west hollywood at the moment

i take it you aren't a user of twitter.com

Saw the video described as an ad for a birth control that will kill you, seems accurate.

i doubt she's getting much traction with white gays living in west hollywood at the moment

i take it you aren't a user of twitter.com

― here 1st (roxymuzak), Friday, July 12, 2024 10:14 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

haha no, i stand corrected

yeah just listened this is really bad

it's giving Veggie Tales

I have always found Katy's cluelessness strangely endearing, and as this is probably her most clueless move so far, I can't help but feel a little torn here. she tries so hard to have something to say and misses it so completely, it is very bad but there's also no malice in her, though obviously can't say the same about Dr luke.

she chose to work with him despite people telling her she shouldn't and she knows why, i guess we'd need to get into the definition of "malice"!

this is too boring to need a thread really

Birthday is my Katy Perry jam. This is static mush.

haven't heard the song yet but glad my prediction that it would likely be suitable for the rolling worst music '24 thread came to pass (based on the tiktok teaser -- ppl were mocking it for sounding chatgpt-penned pretty much on arrival)

i'm sure i will be hearing it soon regardless bc i do leave the radio on in the car still and i am 100% sure that radio (in america, at least) will fight hard to try to make this a hit even if the streaming remains in the shitter bc programmers and consultants are, similar to the weho white gays, still stuck in 2011 and consider dr. luke their unfairly maligned savior

Maybe Katy got sick of people thinking she wrote "Fight Song" that she wanted to have one of her own

I don't even understand why she did this, she already got tons of blowback for doing a clumsy "empowerment" album in 2017 and now she's doing like vintage Meghan Trainor/Lizzo versions of it.

I don't know how she "wins" in 2024 though.

according to wikipedia it has received "mixed-to-negative reviews". rarely have i ever seen a pop song be panned this hard so i guess it must be virtually impossible for a song to have actually received overwhelmingly negative reviews according to that site. not that this is surprising since pop music wiki articles are written largely by fans, no matter how much this is denied

the cut

https://www.thecut.com/article/womans-world-review-katy-perry-is-stuck-in-2016.html

'Well, Katy’s back, and everything about the rollout for her new album, 143, reeks of desperation. Bidding for lowest-common-denominator gay fandom, she’s busied herself resharing tweets calling her “mother”'

'What the streams reveal: vacant lyrics, ill-advised guests, very obvious samples — an album that will almost certainly flop'.

'“She’s a sister/She’s a mother,” Perry sings, as if those are the only two identities she can think of. At the end, Perry hangs off a helicopter, brandishing a ring light stolen from a TikToker that’s miraculously transformed into the female gender symbol. What?'

i feel like this is the darkest track, video, etc. rollout ive ever experienced. "you're lucky to be living in it" sounding more like "if you're a woman, you're lucky to be alive" lol

"“She’s a sister/She’s a mother,” Perry sings,"

What about sinner/saint?

katy is every slimeball no-talent no-taste gay's idol. i know it's nagl to dish, i really don't have anything against the guy, but there's a gay club dj here named, i shit you not, dj just1n h0ll1st3r, big katy perry fan, making the gay clubs as dumb as possible here since the mid 2000s.

here's the thing though, the 20-30 something queer world has completely moved on and it's all about brat and chappell roan this summer. tinashe has a breakthrough. so many actually good pop songs atm. if a katy perry falls in the forest and no one is there to hear her, does she exist???

My kid hates Katy Perry (early life exposure to "Roar" via a forced school sing-along) and has asked me to read highlights from these reviews. Had to explain at length about the nun who was so pained by Katy Perry's existence that she died.

this song is giving when a character on a tv show is a pop singer and has a song

it's giving Veggie Tales

haha steve

also a+ screen name

in the video she fills her butt cheek with gasoline.

guys you are NOT going to get me to watch this

so many actually good pop songs atm. if a katy perry falls in the forest and no one is there to hear her, does she exist???

Reading the Guardian review linked above I was thinking today about how Perry was always the line in the sand of poptimism. PG-13 raunchiness and no groove, music for secret listening sessions at a Christian summer camp.

in the video she fills her butt cheek with gasoline.

― scott seward, Friday, July 12, 2024 7:18 PM

this f'kn music video. holy shit. don't watch it. it doesn't make sense and is just filled with trolly imagery. this is literal junk culture.

https://www.businessinsider.com/katy-perry-womans-world-song-review-2024-7

Whatever kind of delusional utopia Perry is trying to sell, I'm not buying it. But on the bright side, she could make good money licensing this song for a Tampax commercial.

awful. just completely terrible. not even good to make fun of. y'know that meme about people having "a punchable face"? how does a song become punchable?

guess it's ironic for gas to be going in the butt but ymmv

compendium of bad takes/defenses:

What Katy Perry is saying is when you see a powerful man you think "he's a suit & tie guy" or "he's a man who dresses like a pirate" etc. but whenever you see representation of a powerful woman the attention is often on whether she's too masculine, whether she's too feminine...

— Zak ❤️🖤💚 زاك (@realHerodotus) July 13, 2024

i saw a video mashup of this with JoJo Siwa’s “Guilty Pleasure” before I knew that Perry even had a new song and that was all the ~review~ I needed lmao

it sounds like the music bed for a Lysol douche commercial

wow she did all that daaaaamn

remember on lowe interview when Katy Perry exposed the stan twitter, music critics & pop culture pundits about misogyny & rampant sexism. she had their tea

WOMAN'S WORLD
single July 11
video July 12 pic.twitter.com/xRszXsyuCz

— unholy 𝚍𝚊𝚟𝚒𝚜 (@MrGagaPerry) June 22, 2024

this song is terrible and Katy Perry was an indefensible figure even before it but there's something very obvious and redundant about the way publications are tripping over themselves to print savage reviews of this. Anyone with a passing interest in pop culture knows that making a self-declared feminist anthem with Dr Luke is a disaster and nobody is having their experience of this song changed by some punchlines about the dead nun, it's too easy a target for me to be impressed by a takedown review

as expected, industry hacks are just going to look the other way and pretend this song is a smash in the making

Tom March’s Team Capitol has all hands on deck to roll out new music from superstar Katy Perry, whose single “Woman’s World” dropped this week ahead of new album 143 (due 9/20).

The set finds Perry reuniting with longtime collaborator Dr. Luke, with whom she made her biggest records, as well as hitmaker extraordinaire Max Martin.

“Woman’s World,” which spawned a wild, irreverent, proudly feminist video (see below), is off to a strong start: The vid is the #1 trending clip on YouTube, and the song is expected to notch north of 3m global Spotify streams on day one. “World” also quickly made the Top 5 at iTunes.

Expect Greg Marella and his promo squad to ensure a huge look at radio, which is already said to be champing at the bit for this track.

What other tricks does the Katy crew have up its collective sleeve? What surprises await on the album, which Perry has said was titled for her “angel number?” Speaking of numbers, everyone involved here has told us to lose theirs.

reality: this "proudly feminist" video is probably the only youtube upload for a song this side of nicki minaj's "big foot" whose comments are full of criticism and outright mockery, its spotify streams debuted with well under that projected amount and will probably decline from there. oh but at least it was briefly top 5 on itunes and the programmers who're still spinning miley's "flowers" and weeknd's "die for you" are lining up to add it!!

this song is terrible and Katy Perry was an indefensible figure even before it but there's something very obvious and redundant about the way publications are tripping over themselves to print savage reviews of this. Anyone with a passing interest in pop culture knows that making a self-declared feminist anthem with Dr Luke is a disaster and nobody is having their experience of this song changed by some punchlines about the dead nun, it's too easy a target for me to be impressed by a takedown review

― boxedjoy

I'm down with this take, but I suppose the song gets attention because Perry was, I gotta remind myself, one of the biggest stars in the world a decade ago.

if she'd actually kept gas in her buttcheek I'd be impressed, you go girl

boxedjoy otm. also i think that all the savage reviews and the fact that this thread has traction is part of the phenomenon that makes this bigger than it should be. american pop loves a dumb freakshow that pisses off critics every once in a while.

the song is bad but not even in an interesting way, it's just bland and kinda sad, not the utter trainwreck people desperately want it to be for obvious reasons

this song is terrible and Katy Perry was an indefensible figure even before it but there's something very obvious and redundant about the way publications are tripping over themselves to print savage reviews of this.

yeah it is a rather ignoble cottage industry

What Katy Perry is saying is when you see a powerful man you think "he's a suit & tie guy" or "he's a man who dresses like a pirate"

where are the powerful men who dress like pirates

cuz all i ever see are men who scare fish

where are the powerful men who dress like pirates

it's like Duran Duran never happened!

my two favorite looks for men are "pirate" and "victorian dandy"

show me a man in a plaid waistcoat with a pocket watch chain and i'm in

I just watched the video and it’s not anything special in the world of Katy Perry videos. The song itself is a nonentity begging for a hi-energy remix that ditches the verses. I think the only reason anyone is even paying attention to this is because Dr. Like sucks.

as much as I appreciate a good Katy Perry pile on this song isn't even that bad. its like the song you'd hear at the end of a movie that airs on the Disney channel at 1 PM about a girl who didn't make the high school softball team. she doesn't have Meghan Trainor's natural talent for taking such things to the next level. the video on the other hand makes me feel like I'm at the strip club after getting castrated and then lobotomized on the same day

Gas up

she thinks she's her

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF2o5RDkq9A

where are the powerful men who dress like pirates

Johnny Depp and Dave Navarro?

adam ant is on tour!

What's funny is at one point I kind of thought KP was likable, maybe due to my perception that she didn't take herself very seriously, but over time you kind of want people like that to actually be funny and not just seeming a bit irreverent. I think this song is kind of interesting because of the backstory as roxy noted in addition to it being thoroughly terrible. I think actually it's not necessarily a markedly worse than a lot of her songs, she's generally pretty bad (though I frequently find her only as bad as a lot of other bad pop music, she seems typically representative of a lot of aspects of modern pop that I really dislike), but a lot of the surrounding stuff takes it to another level.

I'm hoping people accidentally buy Wire's 154 off the back of this

Wonder who will be the first genius that tries to imitate the gas thing at a Shell station

the new TikTok challenge

1/2 a day until inevitable "this is actually brilliant, a triumph" take

i haven't heard the song but is she singing about _powerful men_ or is she singing about doms

because there are doms who wear suits and ties and doms who dress like pirates

i'm not sure there are doms who dress like victorian dandies, i think most guys who dress like victorian dandies are subs

i could be wrong on that tho

It's not about any of those things.

https://genius.com/Katy-perry-womans-world-lyrics

yeah this makes Sisters Are Doing It For Themselves look like third-wave feminism

the video is basically a three minute promoted post?

girlboss update - the vibrators that katy perry does an ironic dance with before getting crushed by a giant anvil are from a real company and they are happy to be there pic.twitter.com/7GJhZDIuhP

— molly mary o'brien (@missmollymary) July 13, 2024

ass gasoline provided by Chevron with Techron™️

My kid hates Katy Perry (early life exposure to "Roar" via a forced school sing-along)

Omar, I recall "Roar" sounding particularly funny when performed by preschoolers - 70% of whom could not pronounce the letter R.

You'w gonna hear me woaw

Yeah you know when performed by kids you really see how there's absolutely nothing to that song except the punishingly loud production. actually I once posted here that my kid liked Roar after seeing the video, but that was prior to the forced sing-along.

katy perry's whole vibe is forced sing-along

Ok, it’s really, really funny that the first 75 seconds of the video were intended to be like a send-up of corporate feminism but everyone (including me) totally thought it was sincere because the song is basically corporate feminism if it was a song

Like Katy Perry doing Rosie the Riveter imagery to point out that Rosie the Riveter imagery is reductive and played out but most people just assumed Katy Perry was corny enough to do it sincerely. I kind of feel bad for her for misreading the room!

i lean towards the video being deliberately bad both when taken sincerely and as satire as a way to get attention

I think you should all bear in mind that Katy is not a master of the duality of meaning, rather she is too dumb to know how dumb she is, there is no need to try to work out her intentions here.

i lean towards the video being deliberately bad both when taken sincerely and as satire as a way to get attention

Ah, The Wiseau Stratagem...

she's always thought that delivering cringe with a knowing wink was sufficient

Trainwreckords video about Witness & KP in general is good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfoPiRzWnFY

ok i'm late to the party, i kinda don't follow pop music that much, but uh

was "bon appetit" _not_ supposed to be a deconstruction?

like i'm looking at this and seeing men literally approaching her naked body with _knives_ to _cut her up_ and look

dolcett is not a feminist. ok? being into that stuff doesn't mean you _can't_ be queer or a feminist but i mean, katy perry isn't actually _into_ that stuff, right? she's just borrowing the aesthetic because it's, uh.

look i mean if you know who dolcett _is_...

the death cult brutality, 'might is right and words don't matter' side to american culture is very much katy perry's bread and butter. coherent point of view is definitely not a feature of her music, she is all about 'thinkiness' or making gestures towards thought, like that a thought or an ethical statement might exist, it might cross your awareness at some point during time spent between weho and goddess has not granted me the access to know where else, maybe puerto vallarta or uhh greece? but ultimately what matters is amplifying and glossifying all of the status quo hierarchical power that the u.s. embodies to the max so gay people can feel like they belong to the rotten country club too.

the idea the video for this mess is satirical reminds me of something I read in erstwhile ilxor max's newsletter
the special Zoomer definition of “satire,” which means something like “I said something I didn’t really believe to provoke some kind of reaction on social media.”

the other take that hit for me was that her initial success was very much in a radio-centric world where she could slide between artists with actual social stances and do this stance-free fence-sitting gibberish but now that's less of a venue and instead of picking a lane, she's doubling down on a complete lack of coherence

saw some screenshot of her doing some live online interaction with fans and someone in the chat asked why she was working with Dr. Luke and her face took on this grimacing cringe that spontaneously aged her several decades

Oh I hope someone got a screenshot

I saw that online so a screenshot is definitely floating around

the special Zoomer definition of “satire,” which means something like “I said something I didn’t really believe to provoke some kind of reaction on social media.”

Encountered this the other day on youtube, there is a compilation of the propaganda from Starship Troopers which has one of the worst comment sections I've ever seen. This is the argument I got into, if it's even an argument, genuinely no idea what this person thinks "satire" means.

https://i.imgur.com/8IBJjso.png

More coherent answer than you'd get from Katy Perry anyway.

I don’t think the entire video is supposed to be satire, just the first 75 seconds until she gets crushed with an anvil. Some Twitter person explained it and it seemed convincing enough

but ultimately what matters is amplifying and glossifying all of the status quo hierarchical power that the u.s. embodies to the max so gay people can feel like they belong to the rotten country club too.

― he/him hoo-hah (map), Sunday, July 14, 2024 10:30 AM (six hours ago)

yeah i'm sheltered i think i don't, like, know any of those gay people haha

kinda glad i don't tbh, the great thing about being trans is that all kinds of horrible people just kinda avoid me

oh if i get the slightest whiff of that i run away so i don't know any of those people either

except uhh i was in a relationship with one, look my midlife crisis lasted longer for me than most

so much of her stuff is just so... defend the indefensible

i just... i don't understand making that part of one's, like, _identity_. being like "oh no it wasn't just about the songs and the cupcake frosting pasties, i feel a _deeper kinship_ with this artist and i experience no shame or complicated emotions at all about that".

https://i.imgur.com/q0GgZje.jpeg

in re:

saw some screenshot of her doing some live online interaction with fans and someone in the chat asked why she was working with Dr. Luke and her face took on this grimacing cringe that spontaneously aged her several decades

― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Sunday, July 14, 2024 5:57 PM bookmarkflaglink

Oh I hope someone got a screenshot

― Methuselah/Van Winkle ‘24 (DJP), Sunday, July 14, 2024 6:04 PM bookmarkflaglink

Ok but what did she say

she ignored it of course

I saw one of the stans with a perrygaga99909 username defending the Dr. Luke angle but... didn't Gaga support Kesha? How do the stans reconcile these matters?

in a moment she became Courtney Cox

I saw one of the stans with a perrygaga99909 username defending the Dr. Luke angle but... didn't Gaga support Kesha? How do the stans reconcile these matters?

The six degrees of complicity that Twitter endorses hasn't fully caught on yet

i finally listened to this song via the video and i think it's fine. i've softened on her exaggerated red state appeal. she always just did that libidinal guns-and-trucks america fantasia pretty well, if the gays want some of that i'll throw it in with the gaga and the beyonce (i got a request for this from a queen last saturday). dr. luke sucks and i wish someone else could step into his moroder updated via electrohouse / edm sound, it's just a great gay party sound, poppers in audio form. this particular song is a little .. subdued tbh? maybe even subtle for her lol. it sounds classy compared to kim petras of the last 3 years tho.

it's trash