― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 5 December 2002 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mr Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 5 December 2002 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 December 2002 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― gygax!, Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Siegbran (eofor), Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― insectifly (insectifly), Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)
This phrase looks uncomfortably familiar...
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:11 (twenty-two years ago)
― insectifly (insectifly), Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― david mc, Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)
Yeah I know, it was a review of my band's record. Good to know that someone reads CMJ, I suppose.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― insectifly (insectifly), Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)
― dan (dan), Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)
Obviously, the writer (and his ego).
"Shakey yeah? wow, well we defended you on the CMJ bulletin boards.. if you care.. "
Awwwww - sweet!
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― charlie va (charlie va), Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)
But anyway, are reviews supposed to help an artist, or are they supposed to inform a reader?
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― dan (dan), Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)
Incidentally, that Negro Problem review REALLY makes me want to hear the record.
― charlie va (charlie va), Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:54 (twenty-two years ago)
The Negro Problem record is great, and that review is even more obnoxious than I remembered it.
― dan (dan), Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)
I bet the band came up with their name precisely so that sentences like this would appear. I like them already!
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)
― charlie va (charlie va), Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― charlie va (charlie va), Thursday, 5 December 2002 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 5 December 2002 19:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 5 December 2002 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)
― Matt C., Thursday, 5 December 2002 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)
However...it REALLY irks me when music critics review albums and don't discuss the music, y'know, like they're like "well, he's a guy with a KFC bucket on his head, and he's not Slash, so we give this album 1 1/2 stars, and we're not gonna tell you jack shit about the music". [that's a paraphrase of RS's recent review of Buckethead's Electric Tears album, btw]
Basically...give it a bad review if you want, but at least make sure it's a bad review BASED ON THE MUSIC. Please.
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 December 2002 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 5 December 2002 20:01 (twenty-two years ago)
One of my editors always says: We should choose the records we review after two criteria: Is it well known? Isit any good?
Agree?
― Jay K (Jay K), Thursday, 5 December 2002 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)
---------go.to/stevek
― steve k (stevek10), Thursday, 5 December 2002 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)
― Douglas, Thursday, 5 December 2002 21:50 (twenty-two years ago)
As far as Pitchfork is concerned, a lot of the stuff they review sells less than 5000 copies in the states. But that's their demographic. If their audience is trying to discern good unknown artists from bad ones, it helps to have negative reviews that guide you away from stuff that isn't any good.
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 5 December 2002 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)
well half of that criteria is right anyway.
seriously, pointless slags against frankly insignificant (but diamonds to their mums, im sure) bands really get on my tits. its like picking on the weakest kid in the class just cos you can. it gives some music writers a chance to vent their pent-up artistic and (possibly sexual) frustrations in a way that (sigh of relief, commissioning editors) doesnt rock the precious consensus.
here's an idea: instead of wasting yours and your readers energies by squandering pagespace/webspace/braincells on covering a bad album by a bad band, why not cover a good album by a good band?
for fucks sake its not as if there's not enough of them around.
discourse is really important, but it should be constructive and useful. disses can be great fun, and immensely illuminating, but they should always try and say something that hasn't been said before (for instance, because a band's entire media coverage is otherwise composed of pr hype or rock n roll myth). they should bring something new to the table. contribute. keep things moving.
thats what all good criticism does.
― david mc, Thursday, 5 December 2002 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 5 December 2002 22:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 6 December 2002 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sean (Sean), Friday, 6 December 2002 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 6 December 2002 04:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 6 December 2002 04:11 (twenty-two years ago)
― sammu, Friday, 6 December 2002 07:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 6 December 2002 09:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― dave q, Friday, 6 December 2002 10:14 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 6 December 2002 10:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jason J, Friday, 6 December 2002 10:41 (twenty-two years ago)
Most totally unkown bands would be happy to just have their names in print and hopefully, if they believe in what they're doing, they'll know that you're wrong anyway.
― meirion john lewis (mei), Friday, 6 December 2002 10:54 (twenty-two years ago)
This album must have been made for you! The title denotes the colour used on the walls etc, you see. (And the review would necessarily be better than the current, music-based one.)
― OleM (OleM), Friday, 6 December 2002 11:01 (twenty-two years ago)
it's only worthwhile to write/print a negative review of an unknown artist if the REVIEW ITSELF is prima facie interestingzDouglas, I think that's the best point made in this whole discussion.
I mean, it's gotta be okay to revew what you thought would be the Next Big Thing, even if it is a disappointment. As long as you do in an entertaining/interesting manner.
Here's a question for you: where I'm from (Denmark), nobody knows Swizz Beatz. I seriously thought he would reach a broader audience with his new solo album. Should I review his new record, even though i think that it stinks like hog's breath?
― Jay K (Jay K), Friday, 6 December 2002 11:56 (twenty-two years ago)
Why do people review demos?
― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 6 December 2002 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)
Another thing: Say you write for a publication that runs mostly lesser-known records. If you then say that you won't write negative reviews of lesser-known bands (ie most of the ones you're covering), nearly all the reviews in your publication will be positive. I think when that happens, people will be less inclined to trust your opinions. The negative reviews give the positive ones credibility (and vice versa).
― charlie va (charlie va), Friday, 6 December 2002 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)
That's cool, but why not just write them an email?
― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 6 December 2002 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 6 December 2002 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)
That seems a little weird to me. When I write about music, I'm entering into a dialog with listeners, not bands.
― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 6 December 2002 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)
Fuck, I just got another not-too-happy email from a band over something I wrote... This was super positive too!
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 6 December 2002 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)
Don't you mean a monologue?
Do you mean a monolgoue?
Do you often discuss yr reviews with people who've read them?
Do you have a particular reader in mind?
― meirion john lewis (mei), Friday, 6 December 2002 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)
Ideally, no. What I really hope for w/ all music writing is that it'll spur a discussion -- this is why I'm so jealous of the FT/ILM "Article Response." I hate it when a review or article gets posted & then disappears down a hole (as most of them do.) Just "having my opinion out there" is not enough for me. I'm more interested in learning than teaching.
Not often, but sometimes. People write me w/ questions or comments. Then there are music boards.
Yes, but it varies w/ where the piece will run.
― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 6 December 2002 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 6 December 2002 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― dleone (dleone), Friday, 6 December 2002 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 6 December 2002 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)